Where are all the femmes who want FTMs at?

**Hardhat** · 08-07-2009, 03:12 PM

Dev
Big congrats. I'm so happy for you. I wish you all the best!
Moe

**Atlas72** · 08-08-2009, 04:39 AM

Hey, Alex,... Everyone....

While the women who are interested in FTMs and understand us are scattered all over the place, it's still better to find a woman you connect with and look at the geography issues later. It's not easy, but it's not impossible either. Anything worth having is worth waiting for and taking the time to get right.

As for bi-curious or even straight women.... BIG warning flags if you're looking for something more meaningful. Not only bi-curious women but some straight women will come on to FTMs often just for curiosity's sake. And while I wouldn't discourage someone entirely from dating a straight woman or a bi-curious woman, you can pretty much guarantee that 99 of 100 times, she's gonna get freaked by the situation and haul ass.

Just be careful. It's hard enough for most of us to come to terms with our own identities as we transition through life without the added frustration of mending our hearts from those who may consider "new thrills" more important than our emotional well-being and continued development.

Originally Posted by Alex_C

I guess in theory all the femmes who want FTMs are right on here, but they're so scattered across the US and world that it means getting into a long-distance relationship which I am against.

However there are a lot of bi-curious gals out there, a ton of 'em compared with ALL lesbians of all types combined.

**SouthernPrincess** · 08-08-2009, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Anything worth having is worth waiting for and taking the time to get right.

This couldnt have been said better!

**mistyblue9802200** · 08-08-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Hey, Alex,... Everyone....

While the women who are interested in FTMs and understand us are scattered all over the place, it's still better to find a woman you connect with and look at the geography issues later. It's not easy, but it's not impossible either. Anything worth having is worth waiting for and taking the time to get right.

As for bi-curious or even straight women.... BIG warning flags if you're looking for something more meaningful. Not only bi-curious women but some straight women will come on to FTMs often just for curiosity's sake. And while I wouldn't discourage someone entirely from dating a straight woman or a bi-curious woman, you can pretty much guarantee that 99 of 100 times, she's gonna get freaked by the situation and haul ass.

Just be careful. It's hard enough for most of us to come to terms with our own identities as we transition through life without the added frustration of mending our hearts from those who may consider "new thrills" more important than our emotional well-being and continued development.

Nice Post Atlas
Esp the part i highlighted
I have to say i have found sum FTMs even sum Butches will date st8 & bi-curious women just cause it seems the easy option, i understand there are sum lovely genuine bi-curious women oot there but there are also way too many who just *dip their wee toe in* & find it aint for them, as you said FTMs who date these kinda women will neva have anything meaninful & i agree cause alot usually end up going back to a st8 guy if i was a FTM in this situation i would rather wait till the *real deal* came along then take a *quick fix*, yes you may say there are sum who dont go back to st8 guys but why on earth would anyone want to take that chance? as it is hard enough datin in ouer own community as it is
**just my wee cents**

Respectfully Misty

**Atlas72** · 08-09-2009, 03:24 AM

Thanks, Darlin.

I've got the battle scars to prove it. LOL!

Originally Posted by SouthernPrincess

This couldnt have been said better!

**Atlas72** · 08-09-2009, 03:34 AM

Bingo!

Any fans of the late 80's Brat pack phenom' director, John Hughes, can tell ya that he nailed it in his movie "Some Kind of Wonderful" when Lea Thompson's and Eric Stoltz's were talking about relationships: it's better to be alone for the right reasons than with anyone for the wrong reasons.

Some people opt for the fix up for the sex or because they don't want to be alone. That's a really craptastic reason for getting into a relationship. It's not an ego thing, but rather a healthy way of looking at our own self-worth... I'm not some huge prize, but I'll be damned if I am going to share myself with someone intimately if she doesn't deserve me.

Originally Posted by mistyblue9802200

if i was a FTM in this situation i would rather wait till the *real deal* came along then take a *quick fix*

**SouthernPrincess** · 08-09-2009, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Thanks, Darlin.

I've got the battle scars to prove it. LOL!

I have always been told that every scare shows a past and a lesson learned.

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Bingo!

Any fans of the late 80's Brat pack phenom' director, John Hughes, can tell ya that he nailed it in his movie "Some Kind of Wonderful" when Lea Thompson's and Eric Stoltz's were talking about relationships: it's better to be alone for the right reasons than with anyone for the wrong reasons.

Some people opt for the fix up for the sex or because they don't want to be alone. That's a really craptastic reason for getting into a relationship. It's not an ego thing, but rather a healthy way of looking at our own self-worth... I'm not some huge prize, but I'll be damned if I am going to share myself with someone intimately if she doesn't deserve me.

I am so gld that I am not the only one out there that sees my own self-worth. And knows that if someone cant give me what I deserve, then they dont deserve me.

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-09-2009, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by Alex_C

I guess in theory all the femmes who want FTMs are right on here, but they're so scattered across the US and world that it means getting into a long-distance relationship which I am against.

However there are a lot of bi-curious gals out there, a ton of 'em compared with ALL lesbians of all types combined.

The femmes who want us are scattered all around the world, but of course not many of them seem to be here in Canada

Originally Posted by JustLonelyJenn

Thought I would drop a little hello, let everyone know I am still here and listening...

Glad to see your still here with us Jenn

Originally Posted by siempregirlie

Hmmm if I may... I'm a single femme. I really like FtMs. A LOT. I even have this cute little grin on my face thinking about being on the arm of one. Seriously, I really do.

So let's clarify.

I am a single femme. You are a single FtM.
I live between San Antonio and Austin. Closer to San Antonio. You live anywhere within the US.
I am 25 turning 26 this month. You are any age over me, but if mature, younger is okay.
I am a lover, not a fighter. You should not yell, scream, or hit in anger.
I wants kids. You want kids.
I love dogs. You love dogs.
I love to read. You can tolerate my house library.
I love holding hands. You should be grabbing my hand before I grab yours.
I love long walks. You enjoy coming with me to laugh when I scream at bugs.
I enjoy shopping. You shouldn't mind tagging along to help from time to time.
I enjoy cooking. You should enjoy home cooked meals more than going out for food.
I love comedies and chick flicks. You shouldn't make me watch horrors if I have to sleep alone.
I'm addicted to vitamin water. You should remember my favorite flavors.

*wipes hands* Okay... I think that about covers it. Well, maybe not entirely, but it helps with the start of it.

This sounds perfectly reasonable hon, and I hope that you find the person who compliments you completely

Originally Posted by devilishslysmile

FINALLY~~~~~~~~~~~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
Okay now that that's out of my system, Looks like I was wrong about him not caring. After I wrote this the other night my phone rang. It was him. We sat and talked for four hours on the phone, and the next morning I left my house to drive to him, the whole hour and a half away. Yes that's right, that's all the further we are to one another. He was scared believe it or not, because he said out of nowhere the friendship we've always had turned to love. HE LOVES ME!!!!! lol
We are officially together, and I couldn't be happier. I'm off of work for at least a month if not longer as they schedule me for knee surgery and rehabbing it, and he wants me to do it all at his house. He wants to take care of me. I couldn't be happier. I'm no longer just me....finally it's we.....and I love him.
Wow......Apparently Life sneaks up and happens when you're doing nothing more than trying to live......

Dev

This is amazing to hear Dev, congrats to both of you

Originally Posted by SouthernPrincess

<~~~Single fem that is just looking for a guy that is..........

Honest
Caring
Loving
Understanding
Will spoil me as I will him
Will make thier word as I will him
Likes animals
Has goals in life
Willing to be there for me when I need them as I will be for him
Will put me first as I will him
Will like all the sides of me

And more but that is about it right now....lol

You deserve nothing but the absolute best darlin, and I hope that you find it in the future

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Hey, Alex,... Everyone....

While the women who are interested in FTMs and understand us are scattered all over the place, it's still better to find a woman you connect with and look at the geography issues later. It's not easy, but it's not impossible either. Anything worth having is worth waiting for and taking the time to get right.

As for bi-curious or even straight women.... BIG warning flags if you're looking for something more meaningful. Not only bi-curious women but some straight women will come on to FTMs often just for curiosity's sake. And while I wouldn't discourage someone entirely from dating a straight woman or a bi-curious woman, you can pretty much guarantee that 99 of 100 times, she's gonna get freaked by the situation and haul ass.

Just be careful. It's hard enough for most of us to come to terms with our own identities as we transition through life without the added frustration of mending our hearts from those who may consider "new thrills" more important than our emotional well-being and continued development.

I agree with you Atlas, and thats why I would pretty much not date a bi-curious or str8 woman for these exact reasons

**SouthernPrincess** · 08-09-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by BraedonAlexander

You deserve nothing but the absolute best darlin, and I hope that you find it in the future

~Smiles~ Thank you darling. When the time is right, it will happen

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-09-2009, 07:32 PM

Absolutely darlin, I couldn't agree more

**devilishslysmile** · 08-10-2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by JustLonelyJenn

Congradulations, its wonderful to see patients, hard work, and persistance pay off. May you both have many happy years together.

Thanks Jen!!
I honestly don't think I've ever been happier. I know I've never been treated this well. Wow. Who knew it could be this good?

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-11-2009, 06:59 AM

Its always possible to be treated that good Dev, and you certainly deserve it

**ha8itat_guy** · 08-15-2009, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by siempregirlie

Hmmm if I may... I'm a single femme. I really like FtMs. A LOT. I even have this cute little grin on my face thinking about being on the arm of one. Seriously, I really do.

So let's clarify.

I am a single femme. You are a single FtM.
I live between San Antonio and Austin. Closer to San Antonio. You live anywhere within the US.
I am 25 turning 26 this month. You are any age over me, but if mature, younger is okay.
I am a lover, not a fighter. You should not yell, scream, or hit in anger.
I wants kids. You want kids.
I love dogs. You love dogs.
I love to read. You can tolerate my house library.
I love holding hands. You should be grabbing my hand before I grab yours.
I love long walks. You enjoy coming with me to laugh when I scream at bugs.
I enjoy shopping. You shouldn't mind tagging along to help from time to time.
I enjoy cooking. You should enjoy home cooked meals more than going out for food.
I love comedies and chick flicks. You shouldn't make me watch horrors if I have to sleep alone.
I'm addicted to vitamin water. You should remember my favorite flavors.

*wipes hands* Okay... I think that about covers it. Well, maybe not entirely, but it helps with the start of it.

I like the "XXX" flavor.

I would also share it if you didn't have one.

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-15-2009, 04:16 PM

Good afternoon to My fellow FTM brothers, and the woman who love us

I wish you all a wonderful afternoon

**IrishGrrl** · 08-15-2009, 05:05 PM

you know I love you right? But I have to disagree with the statements you made about bi-curious, and straight women.

Perhaps some of these woman havent had much or any expierence with FTM's but I think it's wrong to just dismiss them out of hand. Yes, some people are just curios, and perhaps you have had some bad luck or expieriences with them, but I think people are people, and making blanket statements could be dicey. There are alot of bi sexual femmes out there, and there is such a stigma against them. So many false ideas about what being bi sexual can mean. Please dont perpetuate the stigma that goes along with it..

Irish

**Atlas72** · 08-16-2009, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by IrishGrrl

you know I love you right? But I have to disagree with the statements you made about bi-curious, and straight women.

Perhaps some of these woman havent had much or any expierence with FTM's but I think it's wrong to just dismiss them out of hand. Yes, some people are just curios, and perhaps you have had some bad luck or expieriences with them, but I think people are people, and making blanket statements could be dicey. There are alot of bi sexual femmes out there, and there is such a stigma against them. So many false ideas about what being bi sexual can mean. Please dont perpetuate the stigma that goes along with it..

Irish

I know ya do, and I love you too.

And I do hear ya, Hon, but I can only base my thoughts and advice on my experiences. Bi-curious doesn't mean "fuck & run". I realize that. Yes, people are people. And yes, it's better taking time to get to know someone better so you know what their intentions are-- are they looking for a thrill, or searching for something more meaningful?

Wisdom and experience tell us to take our time and get things right, but c'mon, Hon. You've heard the joke, right? "What do gay men do on the second date? What second date-- they did it on the first. What do we lesbians do on the second date? Rent a U-Haul and move in together." How many of us really go slow enough to court anymore? Sooooooo many people are so eager to find love that they rush into potentially bad situations. My comment from earlier might be what tells someone younger, less experienced to use caution and could either prevent them from being hurt or help BOTH parties take the time to get it right. They can listen or they can disregard it. But it's my experience, and I feel it's important to share.

Like bisexuals, no one understands all the hurdles in life that comes with being trans either. It's hard enough to be gay/lesbian/bi in a society that discards or destroys anything different, but being a transsexual... It's a hard road I wouldn't wish on anyone. And while I don't want to perpetuate the stigma as you mentioned because we really are just people subjected to human nature, I also don't want my brothers being used for shits and giggles by women with casual or less than honourable intentions.

**ha8itat_guy** · 08-16-2009, 09:01 AM

Just for the record...since this thread has been "happenin" since 08', if who is currently single? I'm just throwin' it out there...I am curious to know who is lookin'. Cause I am.

Tay

**boi33** · 08-16-2009, 10:35 AM

Helllo to all the FTM's

**GeminiGuy** · 08-16-2009, 05:50 PM

Thanks for saying this, Irish. I agree with you completely.

I have to say that, based on my experiences, lesbian-identified femmes are much more likely to freak out and run when the reality of being with a male sets in and they realize how invisible they feel. (I've actually had the misfortune, many times, of hearing the words, "But I just didn't expect you to be so... so male." *sigh*) The best, healthiest, most satisfying relationships I've ever had have been with straight and bisexual women. (N.B. I'm definitely not trying to lump anyone into any clumps any which way. Everyone is different, absolutely. Just stating my observations/experiences.)

Originally Posted by IrishGrrl

you know I love you right? But I have to disagree with the statements you made about bi-curious, and straight women.

Perhaps some of these woman havent had much or any expierence with FTM's but I think it's wrong to just dismiss them out of hand. Yes, some people are just curios, and perhaps you have had some bad luck or expieriences with them, but I think people are people, and making blanket statements could be dicey. There are alot of bi sexual femmes out there, and there is such a stigma against them. So many false ideas about what being bi sexual can mean. Please dont perpetuate the stigma that goes along with it..

Irish

**siempregirlie** · 08-16-2009, 08:34 PM

Just peekin in to say hi

Hope everyone has a great start to their week!

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-21-2009, 06:18 PM

Hey everyone, its the WEEKEND

I just wanted to say hi to all of My fellow FTM brothers and the women who love us ............ thank you for accepting us as we are

**tymejumper** · 08-21-2009, 06:34 PM

[quote=GeminiGuy;3177887]Thanks for saying this, Irish. I agree with you completely.

I have to say that, based on my experiences, lesbian-identified femmes are much more likely to freak out and run when the reality of being with a male sets in and they realize how invisible they feel. (I've actually had the misfortune, many times, of hearing the words, "But I just didn't expect you to be so... so male." *sigh*)[/quote]

I'm confused and really curious, I don't recall hearing the term Lesbian Identified Femme before, so I'll ask.... what do you see as a Lesbian Identified Femme? Is that the same thing as 'Gold Star Lesbian'?

Thanks in advance

**BraedonAlexander** · 08-22-2009, 01:02 AM

Just wanted to say hi to everyone

**graphiteta2s** · 09-05-2009, 09:16 PM

Knock, knock....
just looking to see is this thread is still active....anyone want to talk?

I'm out here, hopefully not all alone

.... I'll check back later to see if anyone pops in.
Jay

**SouthernPrincess** · 09-06-2009, 10:37 AM

Hello everyone!

Hope things are going well and everyone is doing well

**BraedonAlexander** · 09-08-2009, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by graphiteta2s

Knock, knock....
just looking to see is this thread is still active....anyone want to talk?

I'm out here, hopefully not all alone

.... I'll check back later to see if anyone pops in.
Jay

Welcome to the thread Jay. I know that I'm here, and I think a few others are lurking here as well, so pull up a chair and sit with us

Originally Posted by SouthernPrincess

Hello everyone!

Hope things are going well and everyone is doing well

Good morning SP, I trust that you and the kidlets are doing well ........... have a fantastic tuesday

**alxndrdylan** · 09-12-2009, 10:13 PM

I just wanted to say Hi to everyone. and to thank Linus for creating this wonderful Thread. It is hard to find transensual femmes. And thank you to all the femmes for supporting us FTM's. It is a hard road that we travel and with out your support it would be much harder.

About me
I am 32 FTM Single. Pre Op Post T (4 yrs on T)

I hope everyone has a great weekend

**graphiteta2s** · 09-20-2009, 06:58 AM

hi everyone,

Thanks Braedon for the welcome. I hope that the thread stays active. I want to ask the femmes a question who find the FTMs interesting.

What attracts you to the FTM individual?

hello to Southern Princess and Alxndrdylan.

have a good day...
Jay

**aprettydress** · 09-20-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

And while I don't want to perpetuate the stigma as you mentioned because we really are just people subjected to human nature, I also don't want my brothers being used for shits and giggles by women with casual or less than honourable intentions.

that's a chance we all take when meeting someone. instead of being *wary* of bisexuals or straight women, you might encourage your "brothers" to know themselves, first and advocate for clear and honest communication. cuz i wouldn't blame the 'women' or paint them as predators when it takes two to either make a huge mess or a beautiful thing.

**aprettydress** · 09-20-2009, 07:53 AM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

As for bi-curious or even straight women.... BIG warning flags if you're looking for something more meaningful. Not only bi-curious women but some straight women will come on to FTMs often just for curiosity's sake. And while I wouldn't discourage someone entirely from dating a straight woman or a bi-curious woman, you can pretty much guarantee that 99 of 100 times, she's gonna get freaked by the situation and haul ass.

oy..........

**alxndrdylan** · 09-20-2009, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by aprettydress

that's a chance we all take when meeting someone. instead of being *wary* of bisexuals or straight women, you might encourage your "brothers" to know themselves, first and advocate for clear and honest communication. cuz i wouldn't blame the 'women' or paint them as predators when it takes two to either make a huge mess or a beautiful thing.

I agree PrettyDress. It does take 2. And everyone deserves a chance. but without open communication and clear expectations, the relationship is doomed from the start. I think that FTM's and Transensual Femmes have it the harder because we are so scared and put up a wall sometimes that we forgot communicating is not a weekness. It's not something to be scared about and if you really want to be happy and you care for someone you communicate with them openly. Now i'm not saying i'm perfect. i'm not i've learned this lesson the hard way. And that wall is hard to tear down.

**NCFireClown** · 09-28-2009, 03:40 PM

Hi ladies and gentlemen!!!

Dropping in to say hello. I've been away for awhile. So, trying to catch up on all the forum post! Whew....lol. I hope every is having a great Monday and has a terrific week!

**JusPlainLane** · 09-28-2009, 04:21 PM

Good Evening, Everyone! Single stone-more towards FTM than stone, starting out on the site! I hope to make new friends and find *my* femme!

**SouthernPrincess** · 10-03-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by graphiteta2s

hi everyone,

Thanks Braedon for the welcome. I hope that the thread stays active. I want to ask the femmes a question who find the FTMs interesting.

What attracts you to the FTM individual?

Ok so I will bite. There is something that you can’t just simply place into words. It’s their essence that radiates from their core. From their walk, to the way they think, and the manners they carry. It’s like seeing the most beautiful sunset in your life, and knowing that you will see it again tomorrow night.
When I see a FTM/TG, I see a strong creature...Plain and simple. They face this world showing at any cost who they are and loving themselves enough to stand up for it. This in its self is an amazing thing...
~A Femme cannot explain, in whole, everything a FTM/TG does to her, everything that attracts her...It is simply a rush of emotions, physical, sexual, emotional, racing through her body and mind...All headed in the sight of that person.

**SirTrey** · 10-03-2009, 05:10 PM

Hey all...Have been off the site for a while....Just popping in to say hi....And, SouthernPrincess, your post was good to read...Anyway...Have a great evening, everyone....

**SouthernPrincess** · 10-03-2009, 05:27 PM

Originally Posted by SirTrey

Hey all...Have been off the site for a while....Just popping in to say hi....And, SouthernPrincess, your post was good to read...Anyway...Have a great evening, everyone....

Well welcome back hun

And thank you

**hollylewya** · 10-03-2009, 06:46 PM

[QUOTE=tymejumper;3180429]

Originally Posted by GeminiGuy

Thanks for saying this, Irish. I agree with you completely.

I have to say that, based on my experiences, lesbian-identified femmes are much more likely to freak out and run when the reality of being with a male sets in and they realize how invisible they feel. (I've actually had the misfortune, many times, of hearing the words, "But I just didn't expect you to be so... so male." *sigh*)[/quote]

I'm confused and really curious, I don't recall hearing the term Lesbian Identified Femme before, so I'll ask.... what do you see as a Lesbian Identified Femme? Is that the same thing as 'Gold Star Lesbian'?

Thanks in advance

Some femmes ID as lesbians and some femmes don't ID as lesbian

That's how I understand "lesbian identified femme"

Mahhh Woman in no way calls herself a lesbian...ergo, she's not a lesbian identified femme

Dylan

**hollylewya** · 10-03-2009, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by Atlas72

Hey, Alex,... Everyone....

While the women who are interested in FTMs and understand us are scattered all over the place, it's still better to find a woman you connect with and look at the geography issues later. It's not easy, but it's not impossible either. Anything worth having is worth waiting for and taking the time to get right.

As for bi-curious or even straight women.... BIG warning flags if you're looking for something more meaningful. Not only bi-curious women but some straight women will come on to FTMs often just for curiosity's sake. And while I wouldn't discourage someone entirely from dating a straight woman or a bi-curious woman, you can pretty much guarantee that 99 of 100 times, she's gonna get freaked by the situation and haul ass.

Just be careful. It's hard enough for most of us to come to terms with our own identities as we transition through life without the added frustration of mending our hearts from those who may consider "new thrills" more important than our emotional well-being and continued development.

I know this is an old post, but I don't really read this thread.

I'm wondering whom you're suggesting FTMs date? I mean, if you're ruling out het women, and you're ruling out bi women, then are you saying FTMs should be dating lesbians? I'm NOT saying there's not more on the spectrum than het, bi, lesbian (because I don't buy that for a minute)...I'm just wondering whom you're suggesting FTMs date?

IF you ARE saying FTMs should be dating lesbians, I'm wondering why a lesbian would be interested in dating a man. I'm also wondering how you feel when/if you walk into a lesbian bar/space and see a man sitting there.

Thanks In Advance For The Clarification,
Dylan

**BraedonAlexander** · 10-05-2009, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by SouthernPrincess

Ok so I will bite. There is something that you can’t just simply place into words. It’s their essence that radiates from their core. From their walk, to the way they think, and the manners they carry. It’s like seeing the most beautiful sunset in your life, and knowing that you will see it again tomorrow night.
When I see a FTM/TG, I see a strong creature...Plain and simple. They face this world showing at any cost who they are and loving themselves enough to stand up for it. This in its self is an amazing thing...
~A Femme cannot explain, in whole, everything a FTM/TG does to her, everything that attracts her...It is simply a rush of emotions, physical, sexual, emotional, racing through her body and mind...All headed in the sight of that person.

As always, just an absolutely beautiful post from a beautiful woman inside and out

Originally Posted by SirTrey

Hey all...Have been off the site for a while....Just popping in to say hi....And, SouthernPrincess, your post was good to read...Anyway...Have a great evening, everyone....

Good to see you back Trey

**ArtsyAmy** · 10-05-2009, 08:30 PM

I know this was posted a bit ago. . .but I had to reply. . .

I'm a femme who identifies more queer than anything else. . . Mostly because I don't want to be boxed in because I find so many different sorts of things sexy. But, in my experience with transguys is somewhat different than what you posted, and I thought that y'all might be interested in hearing it.

In my experience I have never -ever- been turned off by the maleness of a ftm/transperson. I rarely feel invisible (but perhaps that is the benefit of being a 6ft tall femme who wears heels), and I'm pretty open about my sexuality. For me, their maleness has been an incredibly erotic turn-on. I greatly enjoyed all of the nuances of their gender identity and especially enjoyed the gender-fuck when it came to sex. In fact, I sometimes found myself wishing for more maleness. . .

And all of this is odd to say because I enjoy tomboyish women and butch women too for various different reasons. In a weird way I think it may make me bisexual. . .but not in the way society typically labels that. . .But, just in a way that I enjoy several different types of gender in many different types of situations. . .

What I'm really trying to post here is that there are women, lots of us, that really do appreciate your maleness. I think it is just sometimes that is harder and definitely more subtle to communicate.

Originally Posted by GeminiGuy

Thanks for saying this, Irish. I agree with you completely.

I have to say that, based on my experiences, lesbian-identified femmes are much more likely to freak out and run when the reality of being with a male sets in and they realize how invisible they feel. (I've actually had the misfortune, many times, of hearing the words, "But I just didn't expect you to be so... so male." *sigh*) The best, healthiest, most satisfying relationships I've ever had have been with straight and bisexual women. (N.B. I'm definitely not trying to lump anyone into any clumps any which way. Everyone is different, absolutely. Just stating my observations/experiences.)