Femmes Flirting with Femmes

[LadyHawk280]

Ok...this topic started because a femme friend and I were flirting outrageously on another thread and it really got some of the bois worked up...as in not happy...which was so not the intent and we both felt bad about it...it really wasn't meant to hurt anyone...

So, I began to wonder how other femmes felt about flirting with their gyrl friends...or butches for that matter if they want to wander in here and leave their thoughts...

My friend and I are both very playful, flirtatious femmes by nature...for us, it was all about fun...it's just a bloody hoot to be able to say the most extreme things to somebody and know that it's completely safe and it's all for fun...it just gives us a chance to vent our evil sides without getting into trouble...we certainly never had any intention of actually going anywhere with it...

I kind of think of it as the femme equivalent of butches talking sh*t to each other and competing with each other...it's our version of talking sh*t...because we sure do...and it's fun...that's all there is to it...because we don't play boi games...we wouldn't compete like the bois do or rough each other up like bois...this is our version of playing kind of rough...

And I hate to give it up because it seems to rock some boi's egos...but then again...I'd like to know what the consensus is as we really don't want to create a hostile environment with the bois...

So...gyrls...what's is like for you???

And bois...do you find that kind of femme-femme play distasteful and disrepectful or do you totally get that it's just a way for some femmes to bond and enjoy each other???

I'm curious to hear the replies...

~LadyHawk (ever the curious cat)

[SouthernPrincess]

*Bows before Lady* ^5 darling. So very nicely put. *waiting to see some replys*

(k) SP (k)

[Redgypsie80]

I'll flirt with ANYONE!! Literally! I totally enjoy flirting with femmes and do it on a regular basis...there is evidence of it all over these threads. Ask any of my friends, even my girlfriend, when I get going with a femme, it can certainly get naughty. My best friend FemmeDyke and I are especially bad. She gave me lapdances for my birthday in front of a crowded club. We kiss, we fondle, we talk dirty, we do just about whatever the hell we want to each other knowing it will only go as far as flirting, and it is strictly platonic.

Flirting with femmes is completely HARMLESS. There is no reason for ANY boi to get their boxers in a bunch over two femmes playing around with each other. If anything they should enjoy seeing two beautiful womyn flirting with each other, because 9 times out of 10 they are flirting with each other to get a rise out of you, I happen to know TONS of bois that love to see two femmes going at each other in a flirting match.

So really bois...chill out, it's you that we fantasize about, it's you that we on top of us at the end of it all, it's you that we LOVE....

~Terrah~

[LadyHawk280]

Hey RedGypsie...if ya want to join in on some more flirting...I also started a thread called: Let's Flirt Gyrls...come on over and join the party sometime *hehehe*

[RenaissanceFemme]

Lady
SP told me you started a new thread and thank god. I don't date Butches ( i have a futch at home) and now I remember why I don't. I'm not going to bash, I am just simpling going to say,,BRING ON THE GIRLIE GIRLS IN SHORT SHORTSSSSSSSS
*kicking up the music*
Smooches
Kaci

[LadyHawk280]

Kaci...come on over to the flirt thread: Let's Flirt Gyrls

That's where we're kicking up our heels *lol*

[RenaissanceFemme]

(giggles)
I let you a rather yummie reply in the flirty thread :)

[Catssu]

Originally posted by LadyHawk280

>> And I hate to give it up because it seems to rock some boi's egos...

*** Ummm... MY ego was not rocked at all! what i wrote was "i don't get the femme/femme thing"
it's not my thing... nor do i care to read about it. i do have the power to skip over which i have!


>> I'd like to know what the consensus is as we really don't want to create a hostile environment with the bois...

***no hostile environment was created... was it? opinions were shared!


>> And bois...do you find that kind of femme-femme play distasteful and disrepectful or do you totally get that it's just a way for some femmes to bond and enjoy each other???

*** whatever you enjoy! why is this a big deal ? just because we gave an opinion?

Catssu
*who gave an opinion... and still has one... the same one!

[Catssu]

Originally posted by RenaissanceFemme

>> I don't date Butches ( i have a futch at home) and now I remember why I don't. I'm not going to bash,...
*** You don't date Butches cause they have opinions?
And you have a "futch" at home? What is that?

Enjoy the thread girls... it really does belong in its own home
rather than the other thread. And i don't have to visit it!

Catssu
*feeling a bit bashed on this Butch-Femme site!

[LadyHawk280]

Catssu...I'm truly sorry if you felt bashed...

I know your ego wasn't rocked...very poor choice of words on my part...but I didn't have you in mind at all when I was typing that...but I should have worded it better anyway...

I can totally understand you and some of the others not wanting to read it...thus...moving it out of the other thread...

The environment wasn't hostile...I didn't want it to become that way...nor did I want the thread to lose it's integrity...

It isn't a big deal to me but it is to some others...I just wanted to explore the issue more but not in the other thread...I just felt it was disrespectful to take over that thread...this topic didn't belong there...people should have the choice to come to this thread or not and read this if they choose...the other thread wasn't appropriate...

But really...my sincerest apologies if you felt bashed because I wouldn't have bothered taking it somewhere else if I didn't care about how you and the others felt...I was only trying to show that I respected you and the others that were bothered by moving it...because I want the discussion to continue...just in an appropriate environment...

[FemmeBabyGrrl]

What's a Futch?

[LadyHawk280]

I think it's a Femme-Butch in one...but I guess I should let RF explain it as it's her term...

But, I would think that it's someone that does both butch and femme...but probably more in dress than energy dynamic as I don't think our energy changes even when our dress does...

But, RF...please tell us what you meant...I'm curious too...

[RenaissanceFemme]

A Futch has both Femme and Butch qualities in appearance and in attitude.
This probally will be my last post in www.butch-femme.com for awahile.
Ciao

[FemmeBabyGrrl]

Thats probably a good idea RenaissanceFemme. Because I dont think you realize that this site's main thing is about Butches lovin Femmes and vice versa. If you're a femme into andros or whatever, fine. But I don't think dissing butches is cool. Nor do I think you totally get the whole idea of this place.

"I don't date Butches ( i have a futch at home) and now I remember why I don't. I'm not going to bash, I am just simpling going to say,,BRING ON THE GIRLIE GIRLS IN SHORT SHORTSSSSSSSS"

fbg

[Gothic Baby]

I flirt with butchs and femmes. Heck I do flirt a lot. It is fun and innocent. Why do the bois worry so much?

[SouthernPrincess]

I just think that fliritng, mainly femmes, is something that we do best. Whether is a shy, out spoken, or even beating around the bush flirt. We do it. Or at least I do. I am a majot flirt. because in real time I am kinda shy. So on here I can be a little more open. Its not meant as a advencement nor any harm. Just with femmes I feel more comhpy. And flirting here is safe. Being as how femmes are into butches like myself. Then if I do flirt, harmlessly, with another butch I am always worried if they have a girl and if she will be upset with it. And again sometimes it is not meant to be a advancement. Seems so confussing.....lol But I cant change who I am nor do I want to. I am me. But I dont want anyone to feel disrespect. Kinda caught between a rock and hard spot. :)

(k) SP (k)

[FemmeBabyGrrl]

I see nothing wrong with flirting. Femme/Femme, Butch/Femme, Butch/Butch, whatever. But when you start dissing butches on a site that is called, Butch-Femme.com, then I get a little peeved.

[SouthernPrincess]

I agree. No butch bashing. Because number one....I like them too much......and nuimber two I like them too much....Oh wait I all ready said that......Number three cant see my life with out them in it. That is why I adore this site so much. I feel at home among femmes that adore butches like I do and having butches that I know adore femmes. From the min I walked in I felt welcomed. And finding this site was such a relief from the others.

(k) SP (k)

[FemmeDyke]

Originally posted by Redgypsie80
Ask any of my friends, even my girlfriend, when I get going with a femme, it can certainly get naughty. My best friend FemmeDyke and I are especially bad. She gave me lapdances for my birthday in front of a crowded club. We kiss, we fondle, we talk dirty, we do just about whatever the hell we want to each other knowing it will only go as far as flirting, and it is strictly platonic.



Oh Gypsie ~ give it up will ya ~ I simply despise <shudder> that word platonic (If I were only Butch...*sigh* *gigglin*)

Okay - onto the topic of this thread....
Heh - Hell yah ~ flirtin with my grrlfriends gets me all riled up for mah boi ~ and spawns some potentially HOT sex between the two of us! Flirting with my femme friends is SAFE, I can be myself and let loose(spelling?) - moreso than I can with my Butch.. I find flirting with my femme friends to be a sort of ummm.. *biting my lip* a lesson.. I feel more open and comfortable with myself and it makes me happy. I really don't see the harm in it... It is innocent... Butch-Femme.com has made ME feel at home... perhaps the best thing that has happened to me in forever.. I love being able to relate to other couples/people about the way that I feel comfortable.

Don't let her rile you FBG
(Sugar Pussy) ~ come flirt with me!!

(k) FD

[Berg]

I'm actually shocked that any femme was made to feel uncomfortable for flirting with another of her own. What is that? And how on earth is it disrespectful? Ladies, you have nothing to apologize for. If anything, maybe someone needs to apologize to you.

I think any butch who gets riled up at a little femme-on-femme flirtation has a clear insecurity problem.

[LadyHawk280]

Thank You Berg...you have no idea how much your sentiments mean to me...

I feel that it is appropriate to explore issues, have discussions and even disagree on this site...it helps us all grow...but bashing is not ever the answer...I wouldn't bother being here if I didn't adore butches...what would be the point?

Femme-Femme flirting for me is a way to safely explore my sexuality in a way that isn't always approporiate with a butch, especially one I don't know...and it is easier to be more open with another gyrl because of the safety factor...and femmes are often better at the not-so-explicit flirtations...butches often up the ante too much and it's no longer fun for me...it begins to feel kind of sleezy...femme-femme flirting is often much more subtle and it allows me the freedom to try things without consequences...and to learn things...some styles are very different than mine and by playing with another gyrl, I learn more about who I am...it really is like being on the playground when you're a kid an imitating your best friend...it's kind of a crush based on adoration for who she is and a recognition of her power and sexuality...doesn't mean we want anything...only that we recognize it...and enjoy it...and if I can learn something...goodie for me...cause I have learned plenty and am very grateful for it *g* ...and it does make us better femmes to be able claim all parts of our sexuality...exploration is good...I would think that the bois would appreciate that *lol*

I'm glad to know that not all butches find it annoying or even bothersome...truly...because it's really not about Femmes jumping the fence...

[RenaissanceFemme]

FBG--Thanks for being so honest with me.
I DON'T have a problem with ''butches''at all, I just choice not to date them, is all I was trying to get across.
I could care less what type of flirting goes on,or who likes it or not honestly. If you like a butch or femme, then be with a butch or femme.

Ciao

[RenaissanceFemme]

P.S
I don't recall ME being the one that started the whole thread on butch bashing, but in any case, sorry for putting in my 2cents.
I'm not apologizing for what I said either.
Enough said about all that, just get back to flirting already.
Have a good time ladies.

[chapsboi]

Berg and LadyHawk, it wasn't the femme-femme flirting that upsets, it was the comment "and thank god. I don't date Butches ... and now I remember why" which bites. She could have just said why she preferred femmes and counted the ways, but no, she had to make an ugly contrast and say, in effect: 'just look at butches -- of course I prefer femmes!'

sheesh,
~chaps, who rarely loses hir patience


Originally posted by RenaissanceFemme
Lady
SP told me you started a new thread and thank god. I don't date Butches ( i have a futch at home) and now I remember why I don't. I'm not going to bash, I am just simpling going to say,,BRING ON THE GIRLIE GIRLS IN SHORT SHORTSSSSSSSS
*kicking up the music*
Smooches
Kaci

[RenaissanceFemme]

****eyeroll****
Taking wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of text.
Its cool though, I'll just go back to MSN and none of '''you'''will have to deal with me and I wont have to deal with any of you.
Poof

[Berg]

Chaps, that was definitely a snarky and inappropriate remark on her part--especially on this website.

I think it was clear that I was referring to the negativity some femmes have gotten from some butches simply for flirting with other femmes. If it wasn't, it is now!

Peace

Berg

[Rosefemme]

<begin gender imbalance musing>

switching between threads...looking at "the other butch"..."fagboi treehouse"...this thread...and thinking...

<end gender imbalance musing>

[*PinUpFem*]

Butch bashing on a web site called 'butch-femme'???!!!

And what's all this talk I've been hearing about butch/butch and femme/femme being "ewww" and not what this site is about?
Isn't this supposed to be an all inclusive site?

I love most everyone on this wonderful site, but I am starting to feel like I might be in the wrong place :s

[shero]

Chaps...I totally agree ..It wasn't the femme/femme flirting that created all the ruckus..it was the butch-bashing.
As I tried to express in another thread, the flirting, to me, is no big deal...ya it got a bit tiresome after a while, but hey if that's what you're into then go for it. I also referred to feeling uncomfortable and disrespected...but again that was not in reference to the flirting..that was in reference to being called Ma'am (and then after correcting said person) being called Mistress. Maybe that's not a bash...maybe it is...but in my opinion it is disrespectful. Of course the futch statement made it perfectly clear to me what was really going on.
-Shero

[LadyHawk280]

ChapsBoi, Shero...thank you for clarifying with specific examples...

My own personal vent and then I'm off that aspect of it:
I got hit pretty hard for a statement that was percieved as bashing although not intended that way...and the fact that I conceded the point and apologized for it didn't matter to some...bashing is bashing...maliciously doing it is worse than unintentionally in my book...anger isn't justification for trying to publically slaughter someone...

PinUpFem...everyone IS welcome here...Chris and Rhon have made that clear...but this community, as with all others has conflict at times...we should be adults and try to resolve the conflict...it's an issue of respect...you belong here...we all belong here...we just need to respect each other...

This thread really was started to explore an issue...but, I'm very glad that folks have bothered to make specific points, as I for one, appreciate when people are very clear about what is bothering them...I think the real issue should have been addressed much sooner...

But, I'd still like to see more input on the original topic of the thread though if folks would continue to talk about it...as I really did start the thread to learn what people think...if we can resolve something too, that's even better...

Thanks everyone for sharing...

P.S. :
ChapsBoi, Berg...I don't know which one of you I have the bigger crush on right now, cause I had thought maybe I didn't belong here either...you've reminded me that I do...thank you ;)

[SouthernPrincess]

So from what I am seeing is that not all butches have a problem with a femme that flirts with another??? Good!!! And yes Lady I agree darling, I was wondering if I was in the right site. Thank you Chaps and Berg for your input. Glad to know that simple, harmless flirting does not bother you. :) ***Looks around and wonders, in that case who can I flrit with now. Has been a few days and I am all built up*****....hehehehe......lol

(k) SP (k)

[LadyHawk280]

Originally posted by SouthernPrincess
***Looks around and wonders, in that case who can I flrit with now. Has been a few days and I am all built up*****....hehehehe......lol

Uuuuuhhhhmmm....HHHHHEEEELLLLLOOOOO!!!!!

I've been lookin' for you!!! You know where to find me... ;)

[SouthernPrincess]

Originally posted by LadyHawk280
Uuuuuhhhhmmm....HHHHHEEEELLLLLOOOOO!!!!!

I've been lookin' for you!!! You know where to find me... ;)

Uuuuuuuuhhhhmmmmmmmmmm..........HHHHHHHEEEELLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Go look silly..............lmao

(k) SP (k)

[FemmeBabyGrrl]

I think its been made pretty clear that there is nothing wrong with flirting with whoever you want to.

The problem was in the dissing butches. That is not acceptable.

Besides that, I think the other thing people are upset about is threads getting COMPLETELY off topic.

Thank you
Now flirt away
But please don't bag on a whole group of people while doing it.

[FemmeBabyGrrl]

Who exactly is this web site for?
Butch-Femme.com is primarily for Butches who are into Femmes, & Femmes who are into Butches. The focus is & always has been on that whole ying/yang of the Butch-Femme dynamic. Butch-Femme.com is a public web site, of course, so we are accustomed to a variety of queer & curious folk wandering in. Tolerance is key. For the most part, respectful Queers who identify with other various descriptors are welcome, as long as the strong spirit of this Butch-Femme space is always honored.

[svairini]

Its cool though, I'll just go back to MSN
i am soooooooooooo sad
:'( :'( :'(

[svairini]

please i need a butch or femme or futch to console me ... ASAP!
:'(

[LadyHawk280]

Aaawwwhhh svairini...come here baby...I'll kiss it and make it all better...

(k) (k) (k)

You feel better now??? ;)

[kimmy714]

I flirt with femmes mainly because its safe... another femme knows i am not serious and that nothing is going to come out of it and its just harmless flirting...

[luvin61]

:o *looking* :o

femme's flirting with femme's..that's hott ! ;)

[ALICESHOUSE]

I gotta agree with ya luvin61...its Hot! (y) :P

[DivaTX45]

...I adore the art of Femme~Flirt...and I practice it whenever I can.....

It's exhilerating, to be sure.


~Diva (8)

[thesoftertouch]

you wrote: Femme-Femme flirting for me is a way to safely explore my sexuality in a way that isn't always approporiate with a butch, especially one I don't know...and it is easier to be more open with another gyrl because of the safety factor...and femmes are often better at the not-so-explicit flirtations...butches often up the ante too much and it's no longer fun for me...it begins to feel kind of sleezy...femme-femme flirting is often much more subtle and it allows me the freedom to try things without consequences...and to learn things...some styles are very different than mine and by playing with another gyrl, I learn more about who I am...it really is like being on the playground when you're a kid an imitating your best friend...it's kind of a crush based on adoration for who she is and a recognition of her power and sexuality...doesn't mean we want anything...only that we recognize it...and enjoy it...and if I can learn something...goodie for me...cause I have learned plenty and am very grateful for it *g* ...and it does make us better femmes to be able claim all parts of our sexuality...exploration is good...I would think that the bois would appreciate that *lol end quote

My question remains unanswered after having read this thread.

Have you ever been involved with a butch? Do you know that they can flirt subtle or sleezy any way you want it, allow you all the freedom you need, show you different styles, let you try new things if you choose without consequences, teach you who you are, recognize hys power and sexuality and showing you yours, give you all the parts of your sexuality on a high place and then some.

There is a world of learning to behold on this site. Travel a bit and pack light - you'll need the extra space to fill up on those necessary items of knowledge you will find in here.

[mistyblue9802200]

Femmes Flirting with Femmes?


Welllllllll speaking personnally i do it allllllll the time even tho i wouldnt take a **femme** into my bed:o
That doesnt mean to say i dont appreciate a lovely femme as they are the sweet, fiesty, focused, flirty, fabby,intelligent people you can hope to meet n i say
there should be more flirting with femmes amongst femmes;) i find flirting with anuther femme esp one who has just come into the thread you are in for the first time is a way of being friendly as i know how it feels to be
an outsider(y) i find femmes can b wee buggas as in will try n take it that step further to see how far you are willing to go with them (y) i can honestly say of all the femmes i flirt with i dont think there is one i have ever**offended** by flirting or if i have they havnt told me:| Also femmes kinda know where they stand with anuther femme as they know 9times out of 10 it is just harmless flirting(y) sooooooo i kinda guess femmes flirting with femmes get my vote;) (f)

**just my wee cents**

[DivaTX45]

Femmes Flirting with Femmes?


Welllllllll speaking personnally i do it allllllll the time even tho i wouldnt take a **femme** into my bed:o
That doesnt mean to say i dont appreciate a lovely femme as they are the sweet, fiesty, focused, flirty, fabby,intelligent people you can hope to meet n i say
there should be more flirting with femmes amongst femmes;) i find flirting with anuther femme esp one who has just come into the thread you are in for the first time is a way of being friendly as i know how it feels to be
an outsider(y) i find femmes can b wee buggas as in will try n take it that step further to see how far you are willing to go with them (y) i can honestly say of all the femmes i flirt with i dont think there is one i have ever**offended** by flirting or if i have they havnt told me:| Also femmes kinda know where they stand with anuther femme as they know 9times out of 10 it is just harmless flirting(y) sooooooo i kinda guess femmes flirting with femmes get my vote;) (f)

**just my wee cents**


Granted, my state of mind might be driven by other emotions.....but right now this minute, I believe I could be convinced to take a femme into my bed (dayum, Misty....I guess it won't be you, huh? ;) )...just to see how it is. (a) The thought of it makes me kinda crazy....but I can see it and I can FEEL it (awww go ahead...add "taste" and "smell" in there, too!)....color me crazy....however, I believe most of You already HAVE! <giggling>


~Diva (8)

[smouldering]

i am naturally flirty and will admit i do enjoy flirting with fellow femmes and having fun and a good laugh, i don't think there is anything wrong with being flirty or flirting with other femmes, just as long asY/you know what is too far for Y/your relationship

So i say.. bring on the flirtin ;) lol

[hottmomuh]

so I keep hearing that this is not a place for femme-femme or butch-butch, just butch-femme....So is there a place for femme-femme cause thats what i am into & i dont think anyway is wrong cause we all love women....but i am femme & am attracted to femmes. Anyone know a site to talk to femmes that are into femmes.

[hottmomuh]

I am probably going to hate to read the replies to my earlier post. you know if you as a butch can post why you love femmes so much how can you not understand why someone else would be attracted to them(another femme) & the same with a butch being attracted to another butch. I just dont see what the big deal is. It is like say two blondes cant be attracted to eachother & that no one can like red heads which would be futches, only brunette-blondes only...How do you remove yourself permenantly from the site. I came hear looking for friends and support but in less then 5 minutes I can see that I will be more hurt & confused. I wish you all luck & happiness in your relationships what ever type you choose.:s

[~LadyJane~]

i am naturally flirty and will admit i do enjoy flirting with fellow femmes and having fun and a good laugh, i don't think there is anything wrong with being flirty or flirting with other femmes, just as long asY/you know what is too far for Y/your relationship

So i say.. bring on the flirtin ;) lol


I totally second that one!! I am a born flirt with those I am comfortable, just the way I am, but it doesn't mean the same as when I flirt with my boi ;)

[Shyfemmekat]

I don't flirt, being so very taken and not interested in anyone but my big stone butch. But why not flirt with another femme, if the Spirit moves you?

Where is it written that two femmes can't get flirty and maybe more?
Answer: It's not.

Follow your bliss, and be yourself. Life is too short not to be truly happy.

ShyFemmeKat
(f)

[sensualwillow]

yay!!! finally!! i feel at home now!!!

CHOMP CHOMP CHOMPS!!!!

all the femmes!!!

willow

[Ally_J2005]

There is nothing wrong with femmes flirting with each other ... and also there is nothing wrong with two femmes being intimate if thats what you like ... equality for all I say ;)

[hottmomuh]

I started a yahoo group for femme-femme if anyone is interested(k)

[xjackhammer]

Well I read the thread, and I have some advice to the original poster.

Do what ever feels right to you and who gives a fuck what other people think or say ;)

This website is not for Butch and Femme only..... there are FTMs, MTFs and a whole lot of other identified people here.

Who the fuck makes all these gender rules anyway, of who can be with who?
And how we must act or look :@

I wont go off about all the crap Ive heard and read lately but I'm nearing a level of disgust of how we segregate and discriminate in our own community.

[Transferrb]

In my opinion, perhaps the objection to femmes on femmes or butch on butches may stem, in part, from a misguided analogy to male-female relationships that really does not apply because by nature a lesbian relationship is between two women. (FTMs and bisexuals aside) It is my observation that butches and femmes exist within a masculine-feminine dynamic that is much more form then substance. There is fantasy role so practised so often that it becomes a part of daily life and merges into social interaction and attitudes. So when a femme steps out of that fantasy to be with another femme, or a butch with a butch, it causes great discomfort for some b/c that person is no longer playing by the rules and the game is now off.

This discomfort, to my personal observation, stems from the dissonance of the broken illusion that one partner is a male and one is a female, when in reality they are both female and usually have lesbian sexuality. If they are both female with lesbian inclinations then the potential for a lesbian attraction between two women is possible and even likely. The male-female dynamic with butch- femme is, after all, not of the body...it is of the mind b/c under the clothes and posturing both partners are female.

That said, some would dismayed that two femme lesbians are attracted to each other or that they would flirt or two butches the same. It is the kind of outrage one would expect if, for example, in a hetero couple the wife began a sexual flirtation with another wife, a context that simply does not apply here. If we remember that everyone is a female then the attraction can wander out of the fantasy dynamic and often does. The whole thing is really a game after all...the femmes are into being feminine and the butches are into emulating masculinity....their version of what they think it is. Since much of the dynamic is theatrical...role play and fantasy...one who stops playing by flirting or having sex outside their given "role" comes under fire.

I personally have no issue with any lesbian femme or butch or andro flirting or having sex with another lesbian....makes perfect sense to me. After all, in reality, two butch women together is just two lesbians (or women with lesbian inclinations) and two femme women together is the exactly the same all fantasy and posturing aside. You can call her a dude all you want but she has breasts, reg female parts and ovaries just like any femme and thus might find that appealing in another woman, just as a femme might. Nothing odd about that. It only seems odd if you overlay traditional heterosexual roles of male-female that in reality do not apply.

[Medusa]

You said: "The whole thing is really a game after all...the femmes are into being feminine and the butches are into emulating masculinity....their version of what they think it is. Since much of the dynamic is theatrical...role play and fantasy...one who stops playing by flirting or having sex outside their given "role" comes under fire."

Is any part of your FtM gender a "role-play" in your head? Or are you simply living what you feel?

My 'Femme' is not a role-play or a fantasy for me. It's just who I am.

While *you* may consider the dynamic a fantasy or role-play, I do not. And I venture to ask you if you jumped from living as a woman to living as a man in one fell swoop or did you go through the transition on a continuum of Feminine woman to Masculine woman to FtM.

Because what you are saying to me doesnt make any sense, *especially* since you claim FTM. I would find it hard to believe that you went from wearing skirts one day to shooting T the next.
What Im saying is, was there not a stage of masculinity in your female body somewhere before you transitioned? Because it would seem to me that you too would have had to have lived this "fantasy" of Butch before you transitioned.

Please advise.

[Ricochet_]

Femmes flirting with Femmes... I think it's HOT! :P Just as I think, any female, flirting with another is HOT.

MMMMmmmmm women!!!! Gotta love em, no matter what package they come in!!! (h)

Note: I often use the word women/woman instead of female (no matter the identity)...

[girllikeu2]

There is nothing wrong with femmes flirting with each other ... and also there is nothing wrong with two femmes being intimate if thats what you like ... equality for all I say ;)

*flirts my butt off with Ally*

Hopes my wife 2 be *g* and Pinky and Slutboi don't catch me ... dang I really AM a slut ... *drives self to the church for confession*

[Words]

You said: "The whole thing is really a game after all...the femmes are into being feminine and the butches are into emulating masculinity....their version of what they think it is. Since much of the dynamic is theatrical...role play and fantasy...one who stops playing by flirting or having sex outside their given "role" comes under fire."

Is any part of your FtM gender a "role-play" in your head? Or are you simply living what you feel?

My 'Femme' is not a role-play or a fantasy for me. It's just who I am.

While *you* may consider the dynamic a fantasy or role-play, I do not. And I venture to ask you if you jumped from living as a woman to living as a man in one fell swoop or did you go through the transition on a continuum of Feminine woman to Masculine woman to FtM.

Because what you are saying to me doesnt make any sense, *especially* since you claim FTM. I would find it hard to believe that you went from wearing skirts one day to shooting T the next.
What Im saying is, was there not a stage of masculinity in your female body somewhere before you transitioned? Because it would seem to me that you too would have had to have lived this "fantasy" of Butch before you transitioned.

Please advise.

Yep, what Medusa said, exactly.

I am not playing at being a femme. I am a femme, a femme who's always been a femme, even when she didn't have a name for it.

So, as part of today's lesson, recite after me...

I am
You are
He/hy is
She is

It's that simple. Really!

Words

[DivaTX45]

....that some can take a perfectly fun thread and turn it into (or TRY to turn it into) something...um......UNfun. I don't get it. :|

That being said, all I have to say is this: I'm gonna flirt with whomever I wish. And I'm gonna flirt like there's no tomorrow. So, if I do it in THIS thread, so be it. And, if there are those who come to this thread to be critical of that, then perhaps they are in the wrong thread.....at which point MY advice would be just to mosey on outa here. And I say that will all the love in my heart I can offer.

There are threads I just don't go to because I just don't get it. And that is ok. It needs to just be ok that some of us are different than others. This is not a thread where the femmie flirters are trying to convert anyone for God's sake. It's just a fun place to be. So either wring out that wet blanket o' yours or find another thread where you might feel more at home.

And remember.....it's all good! Really it is! And life is WAY too short to think it's NOT.

~Diva (8)

[~LadyJane~]

I agree Diva.. now where are those wiley femmes to flirt with!! *weg* I am in the mood to get into trouble (6)

[Addiction]

I wouldn't find it so odd if someone went from wearing a skirt one day to shooting T the next. You can feel male without feeling masculine. Don't a lot of butches around here feel female and not feminine?

Just sayin.

Oh, and Transferrb:

Not every butch-femme couple is in a lesbian relationship.

Not every femme identifies as feminine.

Not every butch identifies as masculine.

I really don't have the energy for the rest.

[Medusa]

I wouldn't find it so odd if someone went from wearing a skirt one day to shooting T the next. You can feel male without feeling masculine. Don't a lot of butches around here feel female and not feminine?

.

I totally agree that male does not equal masculine all the time and that female does not equal feminine all the time....however, how would feeling female and shooting T combine?
In a feminine FtM? In a masculine Femme?

Sure, there might be some FtMs who still recognize and identify with their female parts, their female psyche...but in their transition, is this not choosing ultimate masculinity over their feminine side? I have never met an FtM who still claims their female identity...but it's an interesting thought.

Originally, my issue was more with the "role-play" statement than anything else.
It's hard for me to accept that he, living as FtM, would be able to make that assumption without examining his own continuum.
Just curious.

(y)

[Addiction]

I don't think feeling female and shooting T combine -- I think presenting as feminine and shooting T can combine, in the same way that a MTF may choose to combine a masculine presentation with being female. Does that make more sense?

[Woodie69]

XJackhammer - I think you are now my hero. I wish I could have said the same exact thing, but it never would have come out so nicely.;) (y)

Who cares who flirts with who? As long as nobody is violent, or gets hurt. What harm is done? None. Femme on Femme...just HOT!:P (6)

Who role-plays with their gender and sexuality except someone who has no sense of self. Just my thought. I know of someone who does this. And yes, they have no sense of self. It is obvious if you met them. Their personality is like a yo-yo. It is really sad to witness.:( It wrecks their life in sooo many ways.(u)

[Transferrb]

Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

[RealPoetsWriteNPen]

i have more stright girl friends than "gay" ones but even the stright girl friends and i flirt, as well as my other femme ones. I really love to flirt and sometimes my femme friends and i even hold hands. I dont understand why it should bother anyone except for my or my friends partneers, and if it doesnt bother them well then we have nothing to worry about period.

[dykeinabox]

Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

Um, not all butches "play(ed) the male fantasy".

[ALICESHOUSE]

Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.
Congratulations on becoming the man you always wanted to be TF.But if you keep insisting that all butches are living this fantasy of wanting to become a man like you..then your ignorance amazes even me..and i've seen plenty of it.



Now back to watching femmes flirt :P

[sphynxcat]

Congratulations on becoming the man you always wanted to be TF.But if you keep insisting that all butches are living this fantasy of wanting to become a man like you..then your ignorance amazes even me..and i've seen plenty of it.



Now back to watching femmes flirt :P

pulls up a stool next to aliceshouse, cracks open a beer. *watching femmes flirt* (b) (y)

[PRinCeSs LiSa]

Femmes are much easier to flirt with and emm more fun i think. And to be fair when ever i flirt with femmes it gets the hubby wound up in a gd way (y)

[ArwenN]

Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

Thank god you don't id as butch any more. I would hate to think someone as narrowminded and closehearted as you were still a member of my community.

You know, this is the second post of yours where you have come across as a sanctimonious twit. Do you have to work at that or does it come naturally?

I am a femme who loves male-id'd butches as well as the FTM and TG's that I know. I love them for the strength they show in the face of society's ignorance. And we don't need to put up with that ignorance here. What is it you are seeking from BF.com?

It certainly isn't a feeling of community. Is it a feeling of superiority? Sorry, you won't find that here because for that to happen -- you need to be better than the guys here. And you, bless your heart, certainly are not.

[DivaTX45]

Thank god you don't id as butch any more. I would hate to think someone as narrowminded and closehearted as you were still a member of my community.

You know, this is the second post of yours where you have come across as a sanctimonious twit. Do you have to work at that or does it come naturally?

I am a femme who loves male-id'd butches as well as the FTM and TG's that I know. I love them for the strength they show in the face of society's ignorance. And we don't need to put up with that ignorance here. What is it you are seeking from BF.com?

It certainly isn't a feeling of community. Is it a feeling of superiority? Sorry, you won't find that here because for that to happen -- you need to be better than the guys here. And you, bless your heart, certainly are not.

My Darling Arwen(l) ......One of the things I adore about You is that You do not beat around the bush! :)

And one of the things I LEAST like about some on this site is that they use their anonymity ~ my gawd, did I spell that correctly? ~ to show their ignorance. And that's all I'm gonna say about THAT!

So HOPEfully, the person in question will go find some OTHER thread ~ nay SITE ~ on which to hoist their negative lifestyle. And that IS a 'lifestyle'!

Hmph.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Arwen}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

~Diva (8)

[ArwenN]

My Darling Arwen(l) ......One of the things I adore about You is that You do not beat around the bush! :)

And one of the things I LEAST like about some on this site is that they use their anonymity ~ my gawd, did I spell that correctly? ~ to show their ignorance. And that's all I'm gonna say about THAT!

So HOPEfully, the person in question will go find some OTHER thread ~ nay SITE ~ on which to hoist their negative lifestyle. And that IS a 'lifestyle'!

Hmph.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Arwen}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

~Diva (8)

Now here's a pretty woman to flirt with!

Hi baby! Going my way? Coming to see me soon? Hmmm? Gonna have a hug for me and just me? :-)

[DivaTX45]

Now here's a pretty woman to flirt with!

Hi baby! Going my way? Coming to see me soon? Hmmm? Gonna have a hug for me and just me? :-)

WOW!!!! I should BE so lucky! ;)
First, I canNOT believe it is so close to THANKSGIVING!!! What is up with THAT!?!?!?!?! :|

So....in answer to Your question.....BABY.......I'm going Your way if You're going crazy! Then I'm right THERE! <giggle>:o

<squishes for Arwen>(k) Who could not flirt with YOU!(k) (l) (f)

~Diva (8)

[OutlawDaddy]

Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

You may have played out a male fantasy, you own that. To say all butches do is an unfair and broad sweeping generalization. You don't and can't speak for all butches. You seem less interested in dialogue and contributing to this community and more interested in passive aggressive posting. I'm not sure what the point of your post in this thread is? It isn't my intention to be snarky. I just question yoour motives. I have a difficult time understanding where you're coming from?

OD

[DivaTX45]

You may have played out a male fantasy, you own that. To say all butches do is an unfair and broad sweeping generalization. You don't and can't speak for all butches. You seem less interested in dialogue and contributing to this community and more interested in passive aggressive posting. I'm not sure what the point of your post in this thread is? It isn't my intention to be snarky. I just question yoour motives. I have a difficult time understanding where you're coming from?

OD


...we (l) it when You're snarky, OD!! We really DO!! <giggling> (And I apologize for being flippant when You're being serious.....I guess someone's gonna have to just spank me to put me in my place! I hate when that happens!) (a)


~Diva (8)

[Circe]

Hehheh, funny 'cause my Daddy would be real pissed with me if i flirted with a Butch but hy knows all is safe when i flirt with another femme. I'll oggle a Butch from afar that my Butch will understand that i'm just being the femme i am and admiring and hy pretty much will do the same when eyeing some other femme at a distance.

I happen to totally enjoy flirting with other femmes and even if i did go beyond ( if i were single, lol ), what's the big deal.

For me, it will always be Butches that really turn me on but flirting between femmes is yummy as far as i'm concerned.

hugs,(d) (k) (f)

* reminds me of the time this femme came up to me and we ended up .................... lol.

[Daddy Rhon]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.


Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

[chey]

ROTFLMAO>>>>>>>>>>>>>too funny.and right on!

[chey]

Flirting is great,as long as no one gets hurt in the result,that the flirtation going on,does not cross any boundries,nor,steps on any toes.....then the flirt becomes a new game.....deception starts to play into it......

(sorry pc hiccup)
edited to add: if the flirt becomes an obsession,then it becomes a problem and it must end......all to often,some could manifest into their thinking that the simple flirt is more......

[sphynxcat]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.

*OH SNAP!*
(ok, how funny is it that i just repped Daddy Rhon?) :P

[Chat Daddy]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.


good job bud! I was about to do the same damn thing!!

[sphynxcat]

Thank god you don't id as butch any more. I would hate to think someone as narrowminded and closehearted as you were still a member of my community.

You know, this is the second post of yours where you have come across as a sanctimonious twit. Do you have to work at that or does it come naturally?

I am a femme who loves male-id'd butches as well as the FTM and TG's that I know. I love them for the strength they show in the face of society's ignorance. And we don't need to put up with that ignorance here. What is it you are seeking from BF.com?

It certainly isn't a feeling of community. Is it a feeling of superiority? Sorry, you won't find that here because for that to happen -- you need to be better than the guys here. And you, bless your heart, certainly are not.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ArwenN again.

bowing to the goddess that is ArwenN. you rock. (f) ;)

[shero]

*OH SNAP!*
(ok, how funny is it that i just repped Daddy Rhon?) :P

ya i love that..i repped Miz Chris the other day :)

[chey]

yanno a small part of me would so like to ask.... why , make a post like this?,,,,that it made this person so bitter......so mad at the world...... and I wish that just for that, this person was still here to answer that......why the anger?.....why come to a place like B-F ?....what form of gratification did this person recieve,in being so negative as this post conveys?

Originally Posted by Transferrb
Yes, as a butch I played the male fantasy in my head like all butches do. I played the fantasy for 25 years until I could not take it anymore and then I became a man...yes, essentially in one fell swoop over the course of a year's time. In one year I went from butch female to exclusively male. Not everyone does it that way but once I made my decision that was it. It took two years from living as a butch lesbian to living full-time as a male and transitioned.

[imjustagyrl]

My best femme friend and I flirt all the time and i mean ALL the time.At my girlfriends birthday party back in April we were almost making out. AND my girl and our BBB(best butch buddie) were loving every second of it. I dont think i would feel comfortable to do it with anyone else,but it sure is fun with my BFB(best femme buddie) I had to make up the BBB and BFB so that they wouldnt jealous when i called one my best friend and the other would always be like hey????

[Circe]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.


Yippieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !!!

hugs,(d) B-F

[ArwenN]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.

God I love me some blonde Daddy! And you did it with such panache! Such flair! Such style!

Yeah, had to rep on this one!

[hlj1872]

Then why are you here?

Ooops. You're not anymore.

Buh bye.

Ah...much better...Thank you Daddy Rhon....(y)

[ALICESHOUSE]

Flirting is great,as long as no one gets hurt in the result,that the flirtation going on,does not cross any boundries,nor,steps on any toes.....then the flirt becomes a new game.....deception starts to play into it......

(sorry pc hiccup)
edited to add: if the flirt becomes an obsession,then it becomes a problem and it must end......all to often,some could manifest into their thinking that the simple flirt is more......

I agree chey..you really need to read the others body language.Are they flirting back with just as much intensity or our they rolling their eyes at you.Of course if you refuse to participate you can just look away..if they come up to you then tell them kindly your not interested.Then again there are the psychopaths :|

[BADBOINBOXERS13]

Im Just Here To Perve. Femme On Femme = Hot

[ALICESHOUSE]

I'm a perv period..i'm hoping we'll get to see a show on the dance floor.

*ask the DJ to play My Humps by The Black Eyed Peas*

Waites for the femmes to shake their lady lumps :P

[Circe]

Im Just Here To Perve. Femme On Femme = Hot


Hehheh, * pretending not to notice the Butches and bois on thread, lalala *, saturday was funny 'cause this other femme and i were going around to local LGBT businesses rying to get funding for our " Slut Night " party and we'd be like flirting with each other right on the street, lol. Nothing gross or untoward mind you, just naughty... like at one time, she stops walking and lets me go by on the sidewalk ( in front of tons of peeps no less ) all the while whistling and saying things such as " oh la-la ... you one sexy mama, got time for a quicky? ".

This was sooo hilarious, some people thought it funny and i could see that others were uncertain of how to react. And this was in our Gay Village. Did i mention that i had on a short dress w/ heels and fishnet stockings? Lalalalalalalalala.

hugs,(d) (f)