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Okay we've sort of derailed the top surgery thread and got into a discussion!
There are some threads on it all ready but sometimes it helps to start a new one i'm going to do that and include links to the other existing ones that i found!
I'm also going to copy some of the related recent posts from the top surgery thread and ftm thread to this one!
As someone looking at T and my options I really would appreciate hearing others experiences and journey with T or even why they have decided not to go on T or why they are hesitant to go on T. These are really hard decisons so please be respectful of what others share regarding this tough decision!
(links and quotes will follow)
Below are threads I found that were specifically about T in some respect. Please list others if you know of them or come across them.
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=25199
T without Transition
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=29053
FTM-Testosterone Q&A
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=17463
How much does T cost?
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=2589
FTM T question
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=22872
Green Masculinity-Herbs and Naturophathy as Change Agents
In addition we have talked about it in the following threads
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?p=2766508#post2766508
Top Surgery: Tips & Tricks for Recovery
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?p=2744041#post2744041
Ask The FTMs Anything...
I will copy some of the recent posts to this thread!
Feel free to post links or quotes that you find in other threads that may add to this comprehensive discussion on T
Thank you
Recent discussion regarding T from the Ask the FTM's anything thread!
Well, I started my journey yesterday....
I gave myself the "first shot" & it did take me a few minutes to muster the willpower to inject myself...I kept focusing on the size of the needle.
Funny how size does matter;)
I am in the medical field & have given all types of injections (to others) and even when I was recovering from a Orthopedic surgery I had to give myself shots in the belly, I did it (much smaller needle). I was lucky to have a RN friend there to make sure I do it right to myself. When she said "you need this to make you right...just dart it." It went in with no problem.
I even got my confirmed date of hysto surgery for the end of May yesterday and my consult with the Top surgery doc for March.
Seems everything is going along, I feel so good right now. Thanks for letting me share this... here with my brothers.
Congrats, Joe !!!! (b)
And welcome to the FTM Brotherhood. (y)
LOL.....I told ya....that's one monster needle. :o
Great news on the upcoming surgeries too, bro.
Congratulations on following your heart. I admire you guys for what you have to go through. I watch my sweety each week, give himself a shot, I listen to his stories and his frustrations and I think how brave he is.
The shots get easier as you get used to giving them to yourself. He did tell me that after a few weeks he thought something was wrong with the needle and it turned uut his skin just thickened a bit but after that he got used to that feel and he has been doing it for more than 5 years and it is nothing but 3 min out of his day once a week.
(k)(l)Proud lover and supporter of FTMs(l)(k)
I wanted to ask the guys on T who experienced hair loss how long were you on T before you started losing your hair? Did you consider using any of the prescription hair loss preventatives that are on the market? Do you know if any of them work? Thanks, guys!
Same as for bio-guys - it's all about genetics and length of time on/levels of androgens. Rogaine (minoxidil, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogaine_%28drug%29) and other drugs can alleviate, but not reverse, scalp hair loss. They won't help grow facial or other body hair, which become coarser and darker by a slightly different biochemical mechanism than scalp hair - again, genetically determined.
You might find this resource useful:
http://www.hairlosstalk.com/resourcelibrary/
Keep in in mind ftms are a VERY small group compared to the general population, and there isn't a lot of research/funding focussed on our medical needs. The good news is T has been around a long time and is relatively inexpensive (compared to other drugs people have to take lifelong)
Some female-born people - me, for example - also display male pattern baldness. Genetics, again. My uncle was bald by 21!
-D>
I thought the hair loss came from our Mother's side of the family. I was told look at the males on her side but I am adopted so I guess what will be, will be. With the cold weather & short hair I find knit caps are my new friend.
Apparently it can come from either side (http://genealogy.about.com/b/2003/08/03/is-your-hair-loss-hereditary.htm). I know that both sides are ok so I should be fine, but I understood that T made this possibility more likely.
TS,
I had been on T for about 2 to 3 years before the hair thinning started on the top. I was well aware of the risk before I started T, as my Father has this same type, (full sides and back, sparse on top) of thinning. I did try the Rogaine with zero effect for me. Of course I'd rather have my full thick head of hair back if I could, but would not give up T to do so. I'm happy with my decision. :)
Thanks, Tranzman, yeah I was curious about how long it took for the different guys before they started experiencing hair loss. I know it'll be different for everyone, but since most born-males have some degree of hair loss, the odds are it will happen. I gotcha about not letting that stop you (y) Thanks for your answer.
TS,
I've been on T for approximately 2.5 years. I've been experiencing hair loss the last 6-9months. Up until last week I've done nothing but it's getting so thin now ...
So I did some net research and decided to try Provillus. It's over the counter and it oral, 2 pills a day, instead of topical. From what I've read it works much better than say, Rogain :| or whatever. Unfortunately, it takes 6 months to see results.
It's bizarre to be trying anything but I've always had a great head of hair and the girls love it :P and as I get older it seems I get vainer :$ Is "vainer" even a word LOL.
Anyway, that's my story.
Case
uh, yeah. That's is a bit bizarre as well.
Major nose hairs for instance. Invest in a good nose hair trimmer. The best I've found is by Conair.
It also helps with the hair that starts growing around the edge of your ears:|
I could go on and on LOL
Case
Have you had any problems with high hemoglobin levels/ sludging? If so have you been able to rectify them and stay on the T?
I've been on the cream for 3 years and talked to my reg. physician about shots today and he said we'll just have to watch that level cause it's starting to get towards the high end.
I'm going to end up going to an endo for it all mainly because my physician has never dealt with T when it has to do with transitioning. However he was really cool about it and seemed excited to be able to go through the process so he can learn from me.
I have to go a distance to go to him but i've kept him since i moved because he has always been open minde. Only problem is if anyone wants to see him as a new patient right now the earliest appointment is in DECEMBER.
Yet it's still cool!
Hi Koop,
your doctor is probably referring to polycythemia
(they are monitoring you for it, i'm not the doc here by any means!)
that's one of the biggies you're getting blood work done for
My RBC (red blood cell) count has gone up on T but not dangerously so
my first lab results came back with an *alert* on the RGB
but it turned out that the lab was referring to a female normal range
I'm at the low end of the male range
being well hydrated is helpful
I'm guilty of walking around half dehydrated half the time
but I sure remember the day before blood work
(don't try this at home ha)
*working on that*
http://www.labtestsonline.org/understanding/analytes/rbc/test.html#what
The concern is about clotting. It's the thickening of the blood. What range would they look at? I know that is where the endo would help me but I would think that even though i'm transitioning there is going to be a set level they are concerned with. The concern would be of possible stroke or heart attack
yes that's what I was referring to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycythemia
one of the symptoms of polycythemia is blood clots
you'd have to ask your doc which range is being referred to
I had looked at the other link and hadn't noticed that symptom so wasn't sure but yes that sounds like what he was talking about because he mentioned that it had to do with the bone marrow
I'll talk with the endo when i see him because he'll have a better idea of what the appropriate levels should be. in my situation. That's where my regular physcian will get to learn.
Thanks for your info.
I was wondering how long were you on "T" before the RBC went up. Maybe this is a individual question...I just wanted an idea.
I've been on the cream for 3 years most of it at 1mg, since sept 2 mg, and I just got a prescript for 4 mg. to do until i get into the endo and on shots
I'm not sure what the exact levels are at this point i just have old lab paperwork at home but it has slowly progressed up ... it didn't all of a sudden shoot up .... it started at 4.35 in may of 04 and was 4.92 in may of 06 and i believe now it is 6. something or 5.87 or something like that
feel free to paste anything else that you might find relevant to this thread!
Thank you!
Recent discussion regarding T from the Top Surgery: Tips & Tricks for Recovery (http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?p=2766508#post2766508) thread
i have a question if anyone wants to answer it...i could ask this in the Ask the FTMs anything thread, but I really like it here..so i thought i'd put it out there ...
do any of you that are on T feel that your thought patterns, or your feelings changed in any way? What i'm getting at is...do you think T affect your mind, the way you think or feel, or just your physical body?
Hi Shero,
This is a good question and one that is often asked in FTM forums. I can only speak for myself but I've heard the same response from others.
Once I was taking the correct dose of T, I found that after I was on T for say about a month that my mood or state of mind was much more even. In many ways, a calmness came over me. I felt less scattered. Not that I felt scattered prior to T but once on it, I felt less scattered, if that makes sense.
I've heard of instances where T was blamed for someone being too aggressive but, this is typically due to having/taking too much T. It's very important to have your T levels checked regularly for about the first year. Everyone has T in their system and the amount varies from person to person. So in the first year, via testing, you'll find out *your* exact dose to take for your age group without over dosing and turning you into a jerk :).
Hope this helps, Case
You know, I find it interesting that you mention this. I've been pursuing the green method of this and found that exact response -- less scattered, more focused, more calm response -- after starting it and feel distracted and otherwise lost when not taking it.
Perhaps this highlights the balance that transguys find once they've found their path?
I'm just into my second shot, 3 weeks on "T"...
I feel calmer now & I think alittle clearer.
I work with a bunch of female nurses = gossip central, I find myself not "getting" what they talking about:s
I have notice a little emotional rollercoaster going on with me in the last week. No extreme anger... more like I would be listening to a sad country song & I would start tearing up ( I never did that before) I guess the hormones are fighting. I told my buddy about it and his answer was to stop listening to the country radio stations:)
So the answer to your question is for me it has affected my mind and the way I feel.
thanks to you guys for responding to my question ..and if anyone else wants to chime in..please do!
i'm not gonna quote each of you, but i really do appreciate your replies. this is my concern, i have reached that calm place without T and im afraid of messing with that. i am only looking for some minor masculinaztion because i am already being id'd as male 90 percent of the time. the consensus i'm hearing here and elsewhere is that it is more than just physical changes, and im sure that i dont want that..so this kinda info is priceless for me. THANK YOU!
Congrats on reaching your place without T. It's not always the path for all. You may benefit out of the use of green alternatives (not sure if you've seen the thread but this might be helpful (http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=22872)). Personally, I've found this to be a gentler option to T and provides a little bit more masculinization (is it a word?!) from a physical point of view.
Anyways, an idea or consideration.
hey you..thanks for this..im gonna check that link for sure. and just in case i wasn't clear..i do understand that not everyone gets there with or without T...i get that for sure and i know everyones path is different. i feel blessed and surprised that i did, but i am sure if i didnt i would be on T. i hope you all realize i am just discussing my journey and i hold no judgement or opinion on anyone elses choices other than just wanting to be supportive.
I think the green herbs are a great place to start or great for those wanting minimal changes. I've gotten to a point thought that it's not enough and it gets to be expensive over time. Them along with T in creme form I think are a great starting point.
When I was initially started on T I had this settling into my own skin comfortable feeling. I get it now and again however with the herbs and the creme and the fact that i have the female plumbing and haven't gone through life's changes my T level and therefor that ease fluctates. I notice on days that my voice is deeper and at the level i like it I feel the most comfortable and it's not just because my voice is where i want it, it's something more!
I don't know if I would have ever considered T if I hadn't been on it due to low levels. It was my starting point. Adding the herbal stuff was the next step. Increasing the dosage fo the creme was next and now it's time for the shots atleast to see. Nothing says one has to stay on them for life. Part of it is also out of curiousity to see if it will help me with my health stuff even more.
i get this for sure..and no you dont have to stay on them forever, but i'm sure you realize that once changes take effect in your body from the T, they are permanent..right? For instance lets say your voice changed and then you went off T..it would stay changed, it would not go back. Now that sounds like a positive for you, but what if it was some other type of physical change that you didn't desire, that will not change back either. Just something to consider, and i'm not assuming you haven't, i just want to put that out there just in case.
Oh i'm definitely aware of it however I have heard debates on the voice thing. It's like anything you have to way the pluses and minuses and they are there and they can be there on both ends.
Like i've said I started this journey 3 years ago and it's time. I don't think i'm rushing into it ;) Plus like I said a lot of it has to do with health stuff too. There again there will be good things and things not so good but it's an avenue i feel worth exploring and besides my rbc cound my physcian who is aquainted with my health history is supportive of it.
The thing about the creme is the changes are very very very very very very very slow. Again i have my female plumbing. that's why i think it's a great starting point for everybody. It's taken 3 years for the hair on my inner thighs to get thicker.
:) you sound like you have all your eggs in a row as I knew you would bro. I just put that out there cause I'm just starting to learn these things and thought if someone didn't know it might be helpful. I'm really happy for you buddy and I think your approach sounds right on and very logical and well thought out. :)
I totally understand. The reason I put it out there myself is I had the conception for a long time that it was an all or nothing commitment. It wasn't till a ftm friend suggestion I try one or two shots that I even thought of that as a possibility. Since one of the main things I do want is voice change he suggested to talk to the endo. i also had health reasons to avoid it and he was the one that helped me realize that it might help me that it can go either way. He's know people without problems to develop problems and others with a lot of health issues have had them diminish. I investigated this by adding the green stuff on top of my creme and i have found so far that it has greatly helped my health issues. So now i'm ready for the next step because although it helps it's not consistent and i'm ready for consitency. But if someone hadn't suggested it as a possiblity i never would have explored it.
exactly! this thread and other threads and just plain talking to as many people as you can is so useful. i didnt know you could change your vocal cords and have it stay that way even if you went off T. of course once i talked to someone and they explained that your vocal chords thicken it was so logical that they wouldn't revert once you went off the T. However I have heard from some guys that their voice barely changes at all, even after several years on T. Some change right away, some dont change for a few months. i have been told tho that for the most part, if you voice will change at all, it will probably become obvious sooner rather than later. that's the only reason i was considering T was for the voice, but now that i think about it I only really have an issue on the phone, not in person when they also have to consider the way i present. there's so much to consider, huh? i figure i go SLOW and let the process take its course in terms of learning about T and really getting in touch with my needs and fears and dreams for the future. it's been great interacting with you on here bro, we shoulda talked more in Dallas damnit! :)
because your dealing with life's changes already you might actually get the results you want from the herbal stuff and if not probably from a topical T. My main issue is on the phone in fact i had someone asking me at work and once he saw me in person then he had no problem with me being a guy but i tend to have a higher phone voice especially if i'm excited or nervous. Now if someone calls early morning waking me up or late at night when i'm tired the often it's much lower. A friend the other day thought I was his step son. That gives me hope that it won't take much for mine to change. I also wouldn't mind facial hair and i'm ready for the plumbing to stop. I get extremely bad pms, I call it the pms flu ... i actually get a fever, chills, and nausea but it's like clock work every month so my docter agrees it probably is that versus the actual flu. I am so done with that. Like i said on the days that i feel like my levels are higher i just feel overall more content.
I wonder if we shouldn't have all this on a seperate thread ... I'm almost started one the other day called "T talk" cause I posted some questions on the ftm thread the same day you posted yours.
Camo Eagle
02-21-2008, 11:30 PM
(y)(y)(y)(y)
Great idea Koop.
I was on 1ML of 2% x2 daily T creme for a few yrs. for other med probs.. However when I noticed the side effects I thought it was great. I ended up stopping bc it was expensive, and my insurance didnt cover compounded drugs. Also since it was a compound, it was hard to find. The pharmacy I used moved as far across town as poss. 8o|
My Dr. didnt want me to use pill or injectable forms bc of the liver toxicity issues.
My question for anyone is, if you are using the creme, what % & dosage are you using?
Has anyone tried the new T gels?
Subscribing.:D
Camo Eagle
02-21-2008, 11:40 PM
Yes, I did experience some mental changes.
Like Koop, I also ejoyed a "settling in" feeling.
I also had a general feeling of well being. I had more energy, and my outlook felt a bit more positive. T like other hormones all play a role in brain chemical balance. And yes, if the levels get too high you can experience, an increase in temperment, rages, libido, agression. Ea. person has a diff threshold, so you will need to be vigilant for the changes. For some they are subtle and gradual, for others strong and quickly.
So yes, it is documented fact that brain / mental / emotional changes can and do occur.
babyboytoy
02-21-2008, 11:49 PM
For the short time i was on T i was such a hot head..my temper level raised so much...i was though enjoying seeing the effects specially with working out alot I was bulking up alot faster..but I took myself off cause of the temper..
But am very interested in getting back on it again..
shero
02-21-2008, 11:59 PM
thanks for making this thread Koop and for the contributions so far :) i'm here and i'll be reading and contributing I'm sure.
Camo Eagle
02-22-2008, 12:12 AM
For the short time i was on T i was such a hot head..my temper level raised so much...i was though enjoying seeing the effects specially with working out alot I was bulking up alot faster..but I took myself off cause of the temper..
But am very interested in getting back on it again..
It is important to get a test once in awhile to see what your levels are, then have your dosage adjusted. It is important to get the test that evals "free testosterone", as opposed to the other tests that are avail. Your Dr. should be doing these anyway. Sounds like you were getting results, just too much too soon. A dosage change might work for you. Good Luck.
For the short time i was on T i was such a hot head..my temper level raised so much...i was though enjoying seeing the effects specially with working out alot I was bulking up alot faster..but I took myself off cause of the temper..
But am very interested in getting back on it again..
When my dosages are changed I am very emotional at first but it settles down fairly quickly once my body adjusts. I just have to take it easy on myself and everyone around me when that happens. I also let others know "hey this is what is going on please bare with me for a week or so." i also found making sure i ate properly helped this a lot. Of course this means odering about a side of elephant for a week or too. I can't even begin to imagine what my appetite will be like when i start shots. Most people already are pretty shocked by my appetite
Yet once that is past I feel this ease. I do have to say some of it's just an adjustment. For me a lot of my increased sexual energy feels like some angst and all it is is increased sexual energy with no outlet. Unfortunately still no outlet! I understand Teenage boys much more when my levels are increased. In fact I actually had what I'd consider a wet dream the other night. Not the norm for me but not unpleasant either. much better then my usual dreams that's for sure! (y)
babyboytoy
02-22-2008, 12:22 PM
When my dosages are changed I am very emotional at first but it settles down fairly quickly once my body adjusts. I just have to take it easy on myself and everyone around me when that happens. I also let others know "hey this is what is going on please bare with me for a week or so." i also found making sure i ate properly helped this a lot. Of course this means odering about a side of elephant for a week or too. I can't even begin to imagine what my appetite will be like when i start shots. Most people already are pretty shocked by my appetite
Yet once that is past I feel this ease. I do have to say some of it's just an adjustment. For me a lot of my increased sexual energy feels like some angst and all it is is increased sexual energy with no outlet. Unfortunately still no outlet! I understand Teenage boys much more when my levels are increased. In fact I actually had what I'd consider a wet dream the other night. Not the norm for me but not unpleasant either. much better then my usual dreams that's for sure! (y)
Bro eating eating and more eating..omg i swear i could of eaten for 3 or 4 people the amount of food i was consuming..
I did not do things the way I should have and could of endangered myself that is another reason I quit..I do need to find a dr and do things the right way..does not help when a boy gets his hands on a bottle of T:|
Bo Dacious
02-22-2008, 01:12 PM
Hey bros.......
We've already got a thread about T and I bet you'd find lots of answers to your questions in it.
Here it is........ > Testosterone: reality vs. expectations (http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=1186)
Check it out. (y)
Tranzman
02-22-2008, 01:21 PM
Heya everyone! Lots of really good conversation going on here. :) Just wanted to add a little something from my personal perspective. Very often the Doctors will start us guys out on 200mg at 1cc every 2 weeks. In my opinion this is not a good thing to do, for the simple reason that T only lives in the body for 7 to 10 days. This means that we are going for anywhere from 4 days to a week with no hormones, esp those who have already had a hysto. It causes a roller coaster effect on moods and emotions. Not all but many of us have switched to a weekly shot, with a half dose, (1/2cc) For me personally this works. My moods are much less likely to roller coaster. While some feel they would rather not take a weekly shot, I would rather do this than have the moods swings all the time.
princessinpink
02-22-2008, 01:23 PM
T seems to still be at the forefront of so many issues at our house. This month is a year he has been on it, however the first few months it was a really low dose. Current problems are as follows. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
His good cholesterol was almost nil three months ago and the bad was elevated so the doctor changed the dosing to 1cc every three weeks instead of every two weeks. Blood was redrawn last Wed. to evaluate if the dose change helped. Well after the two week point he is SO moody and on edge. The kids and I dread it. Last week I injected him a few days early because I had enough. I know it leaves after 10-14days so I wondered in going to a lower more frequent doses would help level out highs and lows but help the lab values.
Next issue...SEX. OMG. I have a high drive so its good in some ways. But his urgency level is so HIGH. Is this going to level out? I noticed we fight about sex more. Not because its bad, but because he is so sensitive. I was out of town working for the week and got in late last night. I just wanted to cuddle and go to sleep. Of course, he wanted more. Well end of long story. We both went to bed mad. I guess I just want someone to explain what this feels like. Is it like if you don't get off you are miserable or what?
Last issue...since the spaced dosing he has started having cramps and bleeding with sex. Had an ultrasound this week and are waiting for the results. He had an ablation a 4 yrs ago for gyno issues. We see the doctor about chest surgery at the end of March. I think he could get a hysto covered medically by insurance. Has anyone combined these two surgeries like that. Good news is we do have the $9000 saved for top surgery which will happen the last of June.
Good news: He went for a new license last week because the old picture didn't look anything like him. And they put an M on the license without him even asking. So that was great.
It sounds from this post that our life is ruled by transition right now, but really its not between 5 kids and careers and graduate school, but I am so ready for everything to be "done" so to speak.
Hey bros.......
We've already got a thread about T and I bet you'd find lots of answers to your questions in it.
Here it is........ > Testosterone: reality vs. expectations (http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=1186)
Check it out. (y)
Thanks bo that's one I couldn't find! I was trying to consolidate them all cause it seems all over the place!
Next issue...SEX. OMG. I have a high drive so its good in some ways. But his urgency level is so HIGH. Is this going to level out? I noticed we fight about sex more. Not because its bad, but because he is so sensitive. I was out of town working for the week and got in late last night. I just wanted to cuddle and go to sleep. Of course, he wanted more. Well end of long story. We both went to bed mad. I guess I just want someone to explain what this feels like. Is it like if you don't get off you are miserable or what?
I use to be quite the cuddler and kisser and the more my T is increased the harder it is for that to be enough. When I'm not flirting with a femme or talking with a femme i'm pretty much able to ignore this avenue but just simply flirting with someone causes me to acknowledge my hormones. There have been a few times that I literally felt I was going to burst if I didn't get some release. I feel like i'm going to just come out of my skin.
I struggle with it when flirting now because I go from 0 to 90 in about 1 sec. I'm not use to being so sex focussed. For me sex has always been very intimate. It's much easier for me to be open emotionally then sexually. That makes it harder when you need it and you need it now I also am the type that's very sensitive to others and really don't like the thought that i have maybe made others uncomfortable in this area or might make them. So for me I try to hold back opening that flood gate but once it's open i don't know what to do with it especially if no release is in site. Even just talking about it now, recognizing it, is very very dangerous for me.
Look out world i haven't even gotten to the shots.
That's the only question i can answer at this phase
I
Tranzman
02-22-2008, 02:38 PM
T seems to still be at the forefront of so many issues at our house. This month is a year he has been on it, however the first few months it was a really low dose. Current problems are as follows. Any insight would be greatly appreciated.
His good cholesterol was almost nil three months ago and the bad was elevated so the doctor changed the dosing to 1cc every three weeks instead of every two weeks. Blood was redrawn last Wed. to evaluate if the dose change helped. Well after the two week point he is SO moody and on edge. The kids and I dread it. Last week I injected him a few days early because I had enough. I know it leaves after 10-14days so I wondered in going to a lower more frequent doses would help level out highs and lows but help the lab values.
Next issue...SEX. OMG. I have a high drive so its good in some ways. But his urgency level is so HIGH. Is this going to level out? I noticed we fight about sex more. Not because its bad, but because he is so sensitive. I was out of town working for the week and got in late last night. I just wanted to cuddle and go to sleep. Of course, he wanted more. Well end of long story. We both went to bed mad. I guess I just want someone to explain what this feels like. Is it like if you don't get off you are miserable or what?
Last issue...since the spaced dosing he has started having cramps and bleeding with sex. Had an ultrasound this week and are waiting for the results. He had an ablation a 4 yrs ago for gyno issues. We see the doctor about chest surgery at the end of March. I think he could get a hysto covered medically by insurance. Has anyone combined these two surgeries like that. Good news is we do have the $9000 saved for top surgery which will happen the last of June.
Good news: He went for a new license last week because the old picture didn't look anything like him. And they put an M on the license without him even asking. So that was great.
It sounds from this post that our life is ruled by transition right now, but really its not between 5 kids and careers and graduate school, but I am so ready for everything to be "done" so to speak.
Well, for me...after I was on T for a while my sex needs did change quite a bit in that many times, I simply HAVE to get off. during this time, making love or prolonged fucking is not really necessary...I just physically need to get off. If I do not I can't sleep at times. It's kind of a pressure release and I truly do think T creates this need, because I never had it before T. Also just know he is basically in full blown puberty at this time, things will settle down a bit with time, and finding his T balance.
As for taking more shots at lower dosages, as I wrote earlier I think this helps a lot, but you would need of course to consult his Dr in regards to how he/she thinks that would effect the lab results pertaining to the cholesterol.
theoddz
02-22-2008, 05:10 PM
(y)(y)(y)(y)
Great idea Koop.
I was on 1ML of 2% x2 daily T creme for a few yrs. for other med probs.. However when I noticed the side effects I thought it was great. I ended up stopping bc it was expensive, and my insurance didnt cover compounded drugs. Also since it was a compound, it was hard to find. The pharmacy I used moved as far across town as poss. 8o|
My Dr. didnt want me to use pill or injectable forms bc of the liver toxicity issues.
My question for anyone is, if you are using the creme, what % & dosage are you using?
Has anyone tried the new T gels?
Subscribing.:D
Cammo, I wanted to answer your question about the T gels, specifically Testim, because that was one of the forms of T I started on about a year ago, when I started T. I'm too lazy to snip everything else out, so here goes.
I started T in the form of Testim gel (1 5cc tube on the upper shoulders every morning), combined with Testopel subdermal pellets, which have to be implanted by a physician, in the office, about every 3-4 months. As far as the Testim went, well, it was damned expensive, for one thing, even though my insurance covered it and it cost me about $50 for a 30 day supply. I found that it irritated my skin, at first, causing me to break out. I didn't really notice too many dramatic effects with it, either, even combined with the implanted pellets. I only stayed on it about 6 months, then found another doctor, here in Las Vegas, who switched me to injectable T. Now I am on injectable T, 300 mg (1.5 cc's) every other week. I have experienced far more dramatic masculinization in the past couple of months with the injectable T Cypionate and I pass 100% of the time now.
I have to say here, however, that I've had a total hysto 15 years ago and that tends to make a huge difference in how the body reacts to T. As long as you've got the "ovary thing" going on, making natural Estrogen, your body will be in a fight with the increased levels of T you are taking. Everyone responds differently to T, and a lot of this has to do with genetics, age, health and other factors. You have to be patient, too, and understand that even genetic/born males take YEARS to complete the puberty phase that gives them total masculinization.
We transmen walk a different path and we have a need to have our outer appearance to be congruent with our minds. It's easy to get impatient with this process, but it is a PROCESS and one that takes time. Be easy on yourselves and enjoy the gentle process of becoming who you are. Count every new hair, celebrate the octaves that your voice drops, revel in the ability to feel the steam and charge of hot sex, and realize that everyone around you, in your world, is transitioning, also, with your transition. This is a great time, brothers, a wonderful journey and time of discovery and becoming who we are.....finally. ;)
I hope my input has helped. (f)
~Theo~ (f)
Camo Eagle
02-23-2008, 01:10 AM
Thanks theoddz, your info is very helpful. I had not heard of the pellets. I will check this out. (y)
I hear you on the expense. My T creame was about $65 a mth, and was out of pocket. I had heard that the gels were about the same cost, but the availability in my area is better.
Also right about the hysterectomy. I had mine in 2000, and it had an immediate affect on everything. Thankfully no more hormone battles :D. Now the T can reign supreme as it was always meant too. LOL
4ur-rescue
03-11-2008, 07:20 AM
I've been on T now for less than two months...the sore throat (voice is dropping) I welcome but the sore bones??
Has anyone had this problem?
SimpleAlaskanBoi
03-11-2008, 07:33 AM
Yes, I've had the "sore bones". (I've been on T for 14 months)
For me, it can be in my bones but mostly hits my joints. I don't know about you, Four but I always thought the T was making my body want to grow, but my bones had stopped lengthening. If it's really nagging me, I take an Advil.
I also get a "crash" a couple days after a shot, where I am exhausted. Does anyone else get this? How do you deal?
BearEmotion
03-11-2008, 11:24 AM
Yes, I've had the "sore bones". (I've been on T for 14 months)
For me, it can be in my bones but mostly hits my joints. I don't know about you, Four but I always thought the T was making my body want to grow, but my bones had stopped lengthening. If it's really nagging me, I take an Advil.
I also get a "crash" a couple days after a shot, where I am exhausted. Does anyone else get this? How do you deal?
When i started T 2 years ago or more i started shots every 2 weeks and found myself crashing during a 3 day level down of the T between shots.. They say T stays in for 10 days before leveling out,,
I started giving myself shots once a week instead of once every 2 weeks and this helped and resolved the issue...
A suggestion though may not be true for everyone..
.I also found diet changes helped alieviate some issues . i tend to crave and need alot more protien than before and calcium and potassium.. The safest bet would be to check with your doctor if this becomes a serious issue you might want to be tested for your levels....
BearEmotion
03-11-2008, 11:50 AM
. And they put an M on the license without him even asking. So that was great.
It sounds from this post that our life is ruled by transition right now, but really its not between 5 kids and careers and graduate school, but I am so ready for everything to be "done" so to speak.
Just a quick note about obtaining an M on license before changing social security gender... although it is seems awsome there are issues to be made aware of first.
The DMV is suppose to go by what is on your social security card and so what ensues is ideally one doesnt change the gender on their card and does on you vehicle license discrepency later creates controversy for you when applying for any lines of credit and applying for vehicle or home loans.. this is becomeing more difficult with the homeland security Id laws,,,I know a couple guys who did the same and later couldnt get approved for anything... When i first started T a week into it i needd a new license and already was extremly masculine in appearance enough that even on a monday the clerk automatic changed my gender on my license to m and then saw the social security didnt match my gender at the time and asked me well are you a man or woman.. i went with damn you caught me and had f retained on the license untill i did change my soc just to alleviate any issues down the road..tax purposes included.... When i did change my soc gender things went much smoother and no issues ,, this wasnt meant to scare but i felt it was important information.. thanks
StPapaClaude
03-11-2008, 01:50 PM
Yes, I've had the "sore bones". (I've been on T for 14 months)
For me, it can be in my bones but mostly hits my joints. I don't know about you, Four but I always thought the T was making my body want to grow, but my bones had stopped lengthening. If it's really nagging me, I take an Advil.
I also get a "crash" a couple days after a shot, where I am exhausted. Does anyone else get this? How do you deal?
i get the crash too. i don't think i really deal with it though. i should work on that.
StPapaClaude
03-11-2008, 02:04 PM
I use to be quite the cuddler and kisser and the more my T is increased the harder it is for that to be enough. When I'm not flirting with a femme or talking with a femme i'm pretty much able to ignore this avenue but just simply flirting with someone causes me to acknowledge my hormones. There have been a few times that I literally felt I was going to burst if I didn't get some release. I feel like i'm going to just come out of my skin.
I struggle with it when flirting now because I go from 0 to 90 in about 1 sec. I'm not use to being so sex focussed. For me sex has always been very intimate. It's much easier for me to be open emotionally then sexually. That makes it harder when you need it and you need it now I also am the type that's very sensitive to others and really don't like the thought that i have maybe made others uncomfortable in this area or might make them. So for me I try to hold back opening that flood gate but once it's open i don't know what to do with it especially if no release is in site. Even just talking about it now, recognizing it, is very very dangerous for me.
Look out world i haven't even gotten to the shots.
That's the only question i can answer at this phase
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i have always been a die hard fan of sex. like that stupid pizza bagel/commercial (pizza in the morning, pizza in the evening, pizza at suppertime, with pizza on a bagel you can have pizza anytime) that is how i felt about sex. now i feel like if i don't have sex i'm going to blow everything up. ever. everywhere.
i can go no longer than like, four days right now. otherwise (i swear to god do not laugh at this) i have literally cried myself to sleep in frustration. or had angry/sad/unsatisfying personal time. i mean, spending some me time is awesome, but it doesn't compete with being with another person, in that moment, being able to get what you need from someone else. it's a weird mentality for me cause i have always cared way more about giving, now i need both. and for the first time ever; sometimes i don't care about the other party. not trying to be a bastard, i fight it hard and i resist the temptation to just take what i want and fall asleep. but it's difficult. saying it out loud helps.
you said something about having what you would consider a wet dream. i had my first wet dream my first week on t.
it is graphic, but i have to share it because it speaks a lot to my experience with being trans. so i was getting a blow job, and the dick was real, but it was on my chest, right smack in the middle (of my hairy ridiculous, unnecessary tits) of my chest. it was like super hot and whatever (no really, it was) but it was so fucking vulnerable. t is making me feel so much more wide open and vulnerable in so many new ways. anyone else?
your brother in vitamin t,
claude
tbear
03-14-2008, 01:28 AM
Cammo, I wanted to answer your question about the T gels, specifically Testim, because that was one of the forms of T I started on about a year ago, when I started T. I'm too lazy to snip everything else out, so here goes.
I started T in the form of Testim gel (1 5cc tube on the upper shoulders every morning), combined with Testopel subdermal pellets, which have to be implanted by a physician, in the office, about every 3-4 months. As far as the Testim went, well, it was damned expensive, for one thing, even though my insurance covered it and it cost me about $50 for a 30 day supply. I found that it irritated my skin, at first, causing me to break out. I didn't really notice too many dramatic effects with it, either, even combined with the implanted pellets. I only stayed on it about 6 months, then found another doctor, here in Las Vegas, who switched me to injectable T. Now I am on injectable T, 300 mg (1.5 cc's) every other week. I have experienced far more dramatic masculinization in the past couple of months with the injectable T Cypionate and I pass 100% of the time now.
I have to say here, however, that I've had a total hysto 15 years ago and that tends to make a huge difference in how the body reacts to T. As long as you've got the "ovary thing" going on, making natural Estrogen, your body will be in a fight with the increased levels of T you are taking. Everyone responds differently to T, and a lot of this has to do with genetics, age, health and other factors. You have to be patient, too, and understand that even genetic/born males take YEARS to complete the puberty phase that gives them total masculinization.
We transmen walk a different path and we have a need to have our outer appearance to be congruent with our minds. It's easy to get impatient with this process, but it is a PROCESS and one that takes time. Be easy on yourselves and enjoy the gentle process of becoming who you are. Count every new hair, celebrate the octaves that your voice drops, revel in the ability to feel the steam and charge of hot sex, and realize that everyone around you, in your world, is transitioning, also, with your transition. This is a great time, brothers, a wonderful journey and time of discovery and becoming who we are.....finally. ;)
I hope my input has helped. (f)
~Theo~ (f)
I am so glad that you wrote this!!! I agree with a lot of your views. I once sat a friend down who was peeved that we were transitioning differently. I explained my point of view about the entire ordeal.
Transitioning in my mind is not moving from point a (female) to point b (male). No matter how many surgeries one gets, or how much hormones one pumps into their bodies... we are bound to veer away from the actual "point b". So, start celebrating the "man" that you are becoming. Do not stress about the "man" you want to be. If you are constantly looking ahead to only one version of what a man is, you are going to end up disappointed.
It's a journey, and everyone's is different yet equally important.
We are the new improved males. Enjoy it all guys!
xthelucasx
03-24-2008, 09:13 PM
Just wanted to add a little something from my personal perspective. Very often the Doctors will start us guys out on 200mg at 1cc every 2 weeks. In my opinion this is not a good thing to do, for the simple reason that T only lives in the body for 7 to 10 days. This means that we are going for anywhere from 4 days to a week with no hormones, esp those who have already had a hysto. It causes a roller coaster effect on moods and emotions.
This is the dose I'm currently on and damn am I moody those 4-5 days before shot time. I didn't connect the shot timing with the moodiness until reading this though. Thanks for bringing this up, gonna ask the doctor about it.
Next issue...SEX. OMG. I have a high drive so its good in some ways. But his urgency level is so HIGH. Is this going to level out? I noticed we fight about sex more. Not because its bad, but because he is so sensitive. I was out of town working for the week and got in late last night. I just wanted to cuddle and go to sleep. Of course, he wanted more. Well end of long story. We both went to bed mad. I guess I just want someone to explain what this feels like. Is it like if you don't get off you are miserable or what?
Getting off (not necessarily sex) has become a very real need for me. It's like being hungry or thirsty. It sounds ridiculous, but that is totally how it feels for me.
Now for my "first shot at home" story... I was on gel for 6 months, but it was way too slow for me, so I switched to shots a month and 1/2 ago (which have made a huge difference already). The nurse at the doctor's office gave me my first shot, which went fine. Then 2 weeks later my girlfriend gave me my 2nd shot at home... In my ass... Everything seemed to be going well until she pulled out the needle and blood went flowing down my butt cheek. She of course freaked out and kept saying she killed me. Luckily, I'm still alive and she has done much better on the shots since then. At least now we have a running joke about her making my ass bleed.