pillow prince poll

[pie]

oops- forgot to add a poll

[GuardButch]

I don't fantasize at all....I prefer the bottom (hands free)...more control, but then the top can can be easy for control as well....hmmmm....(6) (a)

[SyrDamon]

wrong in so many ways

[Chocky]

wrong in so many ways


But so right for me! I love the whole femme top/butch bottom dynamic!

Put me down as a very enthusiastic bottom (y) (y) (y)

[pie]

Thank you Guard and Chocky for sharing.

Syr- I'm thinking....a grl could do some damage on the bottom too. All you'd have to do is slide down just a little...

[Thinker]

wrong in so many ways

Wrong, in general, or just not for you???

Personally speaking, it's not a head space I can really dive into; however, I don't think there is one thing "wrong" for those who do......can.

I am no more interested in labeling another's preferences as "wrong" as I am in having my own preferences labeled.......or *judged*........as wrong.

Sometimes........well, most times........the best way to communicate what you like is by sharing *what you like* as opposed to making a judgment against what you *don't* like.

Thinker

[DAYWALKER]

Wrong, in general, or just not for you???

Personally speaking, it's not a head space I can really dive into; however, I don't think there is one thing "wrong" for those who do......can.

I am no more interested in labeling another's preferences as "wrong" as I am in having my own preferences labeled.......or *judged*........as wrong.

Sometimes........well, most times........the best way to communicate what you like is by sharing *what you like* as opposed to making a judgment against what you *don't* like.

Thinker


I see where you get your name...
(y)
I have had quite the variety of prefernces cross through my life...and I too, could never say they were wrong...
I can see where some would say it is all wrong for them...
I have some brutha's that would say the same,
but I have never heard them nay-say it outloud that the
preference is wrong for all butches...
I say...
Put your pleasure where your preference lyes,
pay no attention to those judgemental eyes...
:)

:[

[Lachesis208]

pie, have you checked out this thread yet? I recalled seeing it scroll by, and it took me a while to find it since it didn't show up on the forum search at all (too many common words in the thread title I guess).

Anyway -- many do not just fantasize, but actually live it. Take a look, you might find what you're looking for, or at least some leads to other threads that may be of interest.

Femmes top and their boys
http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=19567

[DAYWALKER]

By the way...
:)
***snickerzzz***
:)
I noticed this thread has more votes on the poll
than it does posters...lol, hhhmmmm
;)

:[

[chey]

anything between two adults....however they choose to share their love,is never wrong...
anything can go,it is between them.....be one a bottom,the other a top,switching,whatever,
I firmly believe,there is no specific guidelines between any ID on how two individuals desire to make it,do it,have it.


What is wrong,is someone thinking what someone else may like,and putting that down,making comments that it is wrong,etc...just because it is not their cup of tea...

Different swings for different folks......however we look at it,,it is still the dance....the Butch-Fenne Dynamics.

[Midnight Blue]

Ummmm... can we define what we mean by "bottom?"

Is it "bottom" in the SM sense of the term -- the person receiving the sensation?

Or "bottom" sexually -- the person being penetrated? (And does it have to involve penetration at all, or just being on the receiving end of sexual pleasure?)

[SpinxxieFairy]

anything between two adults....however they choose to share their love,is never wrong...
anything can go,it is between them.....be one a bottom,the other a top,switching,whatever,
I firmly believe,there is no specific guidelines between any ID on how two individuals desire to make it,do it,have it.


What is wrong,is someone thinking what someone else may like,and putting that down,making comments that it is wrong,etc...just because it is not their cup of tea...

Different swings for different folks......however we look at it,,it is still the dance....the Butch-Fenne Dynamics.

Amen Chey, My Daddy is also my boi at times, and I love the dynamics, vive le difference!! It definitely opens many possibilities.. grins.. just more ways to make the one you love happy!!

[SpinxxieFairy]

Ummmm... can we define what we mean by "bottom?"

Is it "bottom" in the SM sense of the term -- the person receiving the sensation?

Or "bottom" sexually -- the person being penetrated? (And does it have to involve penetration at all, or just being on the receiving end of sexual pleasure?)

Bottom doesn't mean penetration necessarily.. whatever the person consents to, grins.. recieving pleasure comes in many angles ;)

[hym]

wrong in so many ways
Saying "wrong in so many ways" may sound a bit harsh - but I too thought this at first, because I felt this thread was a bit ‘off’ in that the following questions immediately came to mind…

Do the poll and its options correlate with the title of this thread?

Are the poll options “it might be fun occasionally” and “I wouldn’t like it” not working for anyone else besides me?

And further more…


Ummmm... can we define what we mean by "bottom?"

Is it "bottom" in the SM sense of the term -- the person receiving the sensation?

Or "bottom" sexually -- the person being penetrated? (And does it have to involve penetration at all, or just being on the receiving end of sexual pleasure?)
Yes, please let 'us' define “bottom” and while we're at it - can 'we' please define Pillow Prince?

I am under the impression that Pillow Prince describes someone who wants/needs to be the sexual receiver at all times, every time. Therefore - I do not fantasize about being a Pillow Prince. But then again, that is not the question, is it? The question is “Do you fantasize about being a bottom?”

I will not answer the poll until “bottom” is defined. But I will say…

I do not fantasize about being a “bottom” in the SM sense of the word.

I do fantasize about being the “bottom” occasionally, as it pertains to being the one who is receiving sexual pleasure.

[TxCougar]

:s Isn't that what she said?


Bottom doesn't mean penetration necessarily.. whatever the person consents to, grins.. recieving pleasure comes in many angles ;)

[Lips]

Yes, please let 'us' define “bottom” and while we're at it - can 'we' please define Pillow Prince?

I am under the impression that Pillow Prince describes someone who wants/needs to be the sexual receiver at all times, every time. Therefore - I do not fantasize about being a Pillow Prince. But then again, that is not the question, is it? The question is “Do you fantasize about being a bottom?”
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This is what I thought about as well. I have been primarily a top for many years (excepting The Rev) and most of my 'bottoms' have been givers/ and recievers. I haven't run into a pillow prince. They may be out there but, I think that it would go against the grain of a butch in most instances.

My assumption is this is about sex as opposed to SM/BD, but the only reason I'm assuming this is because I haven't heard that term used for SM/BD play.

I think that many people's sexual dynamics change as well. I think Daywalker brought this up. In my life I have had times where I'm Top or I'm bottom. It depends on the person I am with and their head space, and the dynamics between us.

I think what you may be asking is: Bois that are primarily Tops, do you ever want to/ fantasize about be(ing) on the bottom?

If I'm wrong...well, it wouldn't be the first time.

Lips

P.S. Hym does know hy's polls. Can you add options after, or are you stuck with the choices? Cause we alllll have started threads that were undefined, or had not-so-savory poll choices. (that's different than the unsavory polls we have been involved with ;) )

[theoddz]

Nope, wouldn't find me on the bottom. Every now and then, Momma gets to drive, but hell no, I *NEVER* bottom....no way, no how!!!! :| :s ;)

~Theo~ ;) (f)

[Taking a chance]

Pie,
All of your threads are about sex. Darling, surely there must be more that you want to know about being queer or being a femme or the femme-butch community!

(x) Chancie

[chey]

sex...the devine foods of the GAWDS...is there anything more ????LOL....
well maybe she needs to know,via the way of sex.....a better understanding of the B-F dynamics.....who knows




Pie,
All of your threads are about sex. Darling, surely there must be more that you want to know about being queer or being a femme or the femme-butch community!

(x) Chancie

[chey]

wow,one small typo....thanks Daywalker.....


anything between two adults....however they choose to share their love,is never wrong...
anything can go,it is between them.....be one a bottom,the other a top,switching,whatever,
I firmly believe,there is no specific guidelines between any ID on how two individuals desire to make it,do it,have it.


What is wrong,is someone thinking what someone else may like,and putting that down,making comments that it is wrong,etc...just because it is not their cup of tea...

Different swings for different folks......however we look at it,,it is still the dance....the Butch-Femme Dynamics.

[hollylewya]

Pie,
All of your threads are about sex. Darling, surely there must be more that you want to know about being queer or being a femme or the femme-butch community!

(x) Chancie


You mean there's more to being queer than just having immoral sex?

ButButBut...that's not what the radical right says


Things To Ponder,
The Reverend

[Lips]

You mean there's more to being queer than just having immoral sex?





The Reverend

Oh crap.

Thanks Chancie, now you've ruined it. I told hym that WAS all there was. Now I'm gonna have to get a hobby.

man.

[Apocalipstic]

Pie,
All of your threads are about sex. Darling, surely there must be more that you want to know about being queer or being a femme or the femme-butch community!

(x) Chancie

Nothing wrong with that! :)

[pie]

thank you Lachesis for your recommendation. I'm not sure I want to add a strap on to my sexual experience but it was an interesting thread.

chancie- everything else I want to know I'm finding in old threads. I guess I'm worried where I fit in sexually. If I find a butch I like, when we get to the point where we're ready to be intimate, will I repulse them by wanting to top them? Are there others out there like me who push their desires aside because they're uncomfortable with themselves? Do other people typically take 20-40 minutes to be pleased with their partner and it's ok with them? I haven't seen the answers to these questions anywhere. That's why I posted the questions.

[PlayNoMoBoi]

Nope no bottom here.

[Apocalipstic]

thank you Lachesis for your recommendation. I'm not sure I want to add a strap on to my sexual experience but it was an interesting thread.

chancie- everything else I want to know I'm finding in old threads. I guess I'm worried where I fit in sexually. If I find a butch I like, when we get to the point where we're ready to be intimate, will I repulse them by wanting to top them? Are there others out there like me who push their desires aside because they're uncomfortable with themselves? Do other people typically take 20-40 minutes to be pleased with their partner and it's OK with them? I haven't seen the answers to these questions anywhere. That's why I posted the questions.

OK, now I understand what you are asking.

Yes, there are Butch Bottoms, right here on this website! :)

It takes lots people that long to have an orgasm. I know if I like what I am doing I pay no attention to how long it's taking my partner to get off.

I really can vary, sometimes I am quick, sometimes I want it to take forever.

Try and relax, things will fall into place before you know it. :) (f)

[Apocalipstic]

Nope no bottom here.


See from this posts it looks like you are telling a new person that there are no Butch Bottoms here, which is not the case at all.

[Addiction]

If I find a butch I like, when we get to the point where we're ready to be intimate, will I repulse them by wanting to top them? Are there others out there like me who push their desires aside because they're uncomfortable with themselves?

If you find a butch that you like and they are repulsed by what you like sexually, I would think they aren't the best match for you. It may not seem like it sometimes, but I'm positive that there is someone out there who will not make you want to push your desires aside, who you will be comfortable with.


Do other people typically take 20-40 minutes to be pleased with their partner and it's ok with them?

This really doesn't seem like a long time to me. But, I think than anything under three hours is a quickie.


I haven't seen the answers to these questions anywhere. That's why I posted the questions.

I don't think that there is anything wrong with all of your threads being about sex. You have questions about sex, so you are starting sex threads. I don't think that means you think there is nothing else to being queer.

[hollylewya]

20-40 minutes is a long time?

Huh, and I thought an hour meant "a quickie"


I'm Learning So Much,
The Reverend

[Apocalipstic]

Gotta agree. 20-40 minutes is not long at all.

[Addiction]

I am under the impression that Pillow Prince describes someone who wants/needs to be the sexual receiver at all times, every time. Therefore - I do not fantasize about being a Pillow Prince. But then again, that is not the question, is it? The question is “Do you fantasize about being a bottom?”

I always thought of a pillow prince as someone who just sexually receives (not limited to or always including penetration), yanno, with her/his head on the pillow at all times. I've never equated pillow prince with bottom, in an SM sense or in a sexual sense.

[SpinxxieFairy]

I always thought of a pillow prince as someone who just sexually receives (not limited to or always including penetration), yanno, with her/his head on the pillow at all times. I've never equated pillow prince with bottom, in an SM sense or in a sexual sense.

Grins I fantasize about my butch just lying back and being my buffet for the evening (6) and penetration isnt on the menu..but there are so many things you CAN do *raaaaaaawrs* with delight! I am a switch both sexually and in the bdsm sense as well.. *efg* - it's nice to be versatile!!

[TxCougar]

^5 I think we are old school;)


20-40 minutes is a long time?

Huh, and I thought an hour meant "a quickie"


I'm Learning So Much,
The Reverend

[Jar]

20-40 minutes is a long time? Life in the fast lane dude! ;)

I can't really answer about how long it takes, but my cell phone has a stop watch on it. I'll time it and get back to you (h)

[JetBoy]

Pillow Princes? Nah, we don't.... er... I mean.... they don't exist.

I hate having my cock sucked and riden while I lay there all fluffed up on pillows. I HATE IT!! I hate that I don't have rug burns on my knees or a sore back from fucking doggie style for hours. I HATE THAT!! I hate that I don't even break a sweat. I JUST HATE THAT PART!

Silly useless pillow princes.

[pie]

Thank you for helping me understand things better everyone. I really appreciate all you answers. Maybe there will be someone out there for me and I will become more comfortable with myself in time. I'm feeling better about everything now.

[SpinxxieFairy]

Pillow Princes? Nah, we don't.... er... I mean.... they don't exist.

I hate having my cock sucked and riden while I lay there all fluffed up on pillows. I HATE IT!! I hate that I don't have rug burns on my knees or a sore back from fucking doggie style for hours. I HATE THAT!! I hate that I don't even break a sweat. I JUST HATE THAT PART!

Silly useless pillow princes.

Lol unhuh ;)

[Serene]

Pillow Princes? Nah, we don't.... er... I mean.... they don't exist.

I hate having my cock sucked and riden while I lay there all fluffed up on pillows. I HATE IT!! I hate that I don't have rug burns on my knees or a sore back from fucking doggie style for hours. I HATE THAT!! I hate that I don't even break a sweat. I JUST HATE THAT PART!

Silly useless pillow princes.


Okay that made me snort.

[GuapoButch]

Some of the responses in this thread crack me up. I am not sure why many of you are so hung up on the definition of a pillow prince. I feel the question was pretty simple and clear. Let’s not get stuck with the specifics of weather it is a butch who likes penetration or not. It could be either or both. To each his/her own.(6)

I consider myself a top. But I am not afraid to admit that I have no problem being topped from the bottom. :P Think about it, how many of you butch tops don’t realize that sometimes you are being “topped” by your femme? I mean, yes of course you feel like you are in charge and running the fuck BUT don’t you realize that just maybe your femme orchestrated it to “make” you feel like you’re in charge and all along she is getting exactly her way the whole time. I tell you, for me there is nothing hotter than a femme who can validate my butchness by taking control but all along making me feel like I am the King. (a)

Pie good luck in finding your future partner. Just know that as long as you and your partner have a connection and are in sync you’ll be fine.

-- GB

[Lips]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GuapoButch again.

NONONONONONONOO!!!

Alright, you rock. That's a hell of a bunch you just said. I agree with every word.

I'm going to bed.

Lips

[GuapoButch]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to GuapoButch again.

NONONONONONONOO!!!

Alright, you rock. That's a hell of a bunch you just said. I agree with every word.

I'm going to bed.

Lips


Thanks Lips. :$

I tried to rep you the other day and got the same darn message. You rock too. :) Go to bed now.

[SyrDamon]

I consider myself a top. But I am not afraid to admit that I have no problem being topped from the bottom. :P Think about it, how many of you butch tops don’t realize that sometimes you are being “topped” by your femme? I mean, yes of course you feel like you are in charge and running the fuck BUT don’t you realize that just maybe your femme orchestrated it to “make” you feel like you’re in charge and all along she is getting exactly her way the whole time. I tell you, for me there is nothing hotter than a femme who can validate my butchness by taking control but all along making me feel like I am the King. (a)



-- GB
PERFECT This states it all
Wrong in so many ways was a statement that fits me and no others. I would never take a seat to judge others as it might come back ten fold to me. To each his own I say. Whatever squirts your pickle. (6)

[LADY FLAMEZZZ]

Some of the responses in this thread crack me up. I am not sure why many of you are so hung up on the definition of a pillow prince. I feel the question was pretty simple and clear. Let’s not get stuck with the specifics of weather it is a butch who likes penetration or not. It could be either or both. To each his/her own.(6)

I consider myself a top. But I am not afraid to admit that I have no problem being topped from the bottom. :P Think about it, how many of you butch tops don’t realize that sometimes you are being “topped” by your femme? I mean, yes of course you feel like you are in charge and running the fuck BUT don’t you realize that just maybe your femme orchestrated it to “make” you feel like you’re in charge and all along she is getting exactly her way the whole time. I tell you, for me there is nothing hotter than a femme who can validate my butchness by taking control but all along making me feel like I am the King. (a)

Pie good luck in finding your future partner. Just know that as long as you and your partner have a connection and are in sync you’ll be fine.

-- GB



well said........i applaud your knowledge of a femme !

[Sedna]

Some of the responses in this thread crack me up. I am not sure why many of you are so hung up on the definition of a pillow prince.
Hey,

I think, some of the people here are 'hung up' on the definition, at least I am hung up on this question, because there are some implications if you equal pillow prince (or princess) with bottom or the other way round. It implicates that bottoms are on the receiving part and kind of passive. It just doesn't go together - if I bottom and suck the cock of my top I am not exactly on the receiving end. Even if I'm tied up and actually not 'doing' anything as a bottom I do not perceive myself as passive. Therefore the connection between the title of the thread and the actual poll created questions, no reason to be cracked up by people who try to clearify, is there? :)

To get to the question - without being a butch myself ;) - I met butches who like to bottom. I am sure, there are plenty of butches out there who will be happy about whatever you have to offer, Pie.

Sedna (w)

[ALICESHOUSE]

Pillow Prince here..


oops- forgot to add a poll
Sure why not,i'd have no problem with it if its done to me right.If your going to top me,please know what your doing..if you don't,i'll turn you over on your belly and show you how its done.
I'm very secure in my butchness to let a woman control me in the bedroom every once in awhile when i feel the urge..but i have to want it,your butch has to agree to it.This is why talking things over before you both fuck is very very important.
Mostly i like to control everything..and i do punish my girlfriend if she tries something new without my permission first.And i know she wants to test me,just to get slapped..but this is our relationship and its 2 adults playing for one another.There's nothing wrong with how you do it as long as you both agree how its going to be played out.
Sex comes in so many shapes,sizes and forms..which all leads back to just having fun with it.Do your thing and do it right..(y)

[JackSpade]

hell

I thought this thread was about royal pillows :s

[Woodie69]

I say to each his/her own. What happens between two consenting adults is private and personal.

For the record, I'm a top and quite proud of it!(6) :P

[honeybarbara]

demanding pillow princes rock my fuckin world. Pie, just because a lot of them won't come out and say it on this sight doesn't mean they aren't any. I recall I started a thread once about butches who like being fisted cause I got sick and fuckin tired of butches in the chat room telling me "don't tell anyone but I really love being fisted." they told me because they knew I'd enjoy it and be happy about it but god forbid they should be exposed to the judgement that often follows.

most - though not all - of the butches I've fucked, even though they ID'd as a daddy, loved getting a good hard fuck or fisting from me. I'm not special. I think many do it when they trust that you will still see them as butch as they ever were. Frankly, I love someone that can take what they dish out.

I've dated one complete pillow prince and it was FABULOUS. one dildo up the butch wallet and one up the arse... the power exhuded by hir was phenominal... the roaring, the grunting, the sweating and the demanding hungry calls... blew my mind. it in no way compramises their masculinity... I can feel their power running up my arm during the fisting. I often takes my breath away.

trust me pie, I personally said no to lots of things until I found a person that turned me to jelly and then suddenly that no turned into a scary exciting yes. I find many people are the same. Not all. But you'll be suprised at how often hard boundries, after some trust and non-judgement and deep sexual arrousal turns into "maybe I'll try it once" and when they see how turned on you are... it leads to another ... and another... and another.

you won't be lonely. There are far more butches that recieve out there than those that don't. You just have to see past the on-line bullshit occationally.

IM me if you want to chat xx

[pie]

Pillow Prince here..


Sure why not,i'd have no problem with it if its done to me right.If your going to top me,please know what your doing..if you don't,i'll turn you over on your belly and show you how its done.

OMG! -speachless-

[pie]

demanding pillow princes rock my fuckin world. Pie, just because a lot of them won't come out and say it on this sight doesn't mean they aren't any. I recall I started a thread once about butches who like being fisted cause I got sick and fuckin tired of butches in the chat room telling me "don't tell anyone but I really love being fisted." they told me because they knew I'd enjoy it and be happy about it but god forbid they should be exposed to the judgement that often follows.

most - though not all - of the butches I've fucked, even though they ID'd as a daddy, loved getting a good hard fuck or fisting from me. I'm not special. I think many do it when they trust that you will still see them as butch as they ever were. Frankly, I love someone that can take what they dish out.

I've dated one complete pillow prince and it was FABULOUS. one dildo up the butch wallet and one up the arse... the power exhuded by hir was phenominal... the roaring, the grunting, the sweating and the demanding hungry calls... blew my mind. it in no way compramises their masculinity... I can feel their power running up my arm during the fisting. I often takes my breath away.

trust me pie, I personally said no to lots of things until I found a person that turned me to jelly and then suddenly that no turned into a scary exciting yes. I find many people are the same. Not all. But you'll be suprised at how often hard boundries, after some trust and non-judgement and deep sexual arrousal turns into "maybe I'll try it once" and when they see how turned on you are... it leads to another ... and another... and another.

you won't be lonely. There are far more butches that recieve out there than those that don't. You just have to see past the on-line bullshit occationally.

IM me if you want to chat xx

Whew!!! It's getting hot in here. (*) Thank you for this post Honey!(*)

[ALICESHOUSE]

OMG! -speachless-
Is that good Or bad?..because thats just me.

[pie]

*Good* Alice

[ALICESHOUSE]

*Good* Alice
Ahh ok..(f) :)

[Swift]

For me, there's no mistaking or denying the power, the charizma, the allure of the Femme. More often than not I'm inclined to want to harness that power, subdue it... if only for a short time. However, Femmes who are very self-aware, who know how to "employ" their God given gifts... phew, those gals can make me weak!

I have no problem allowing a Femme to revel in her own strengths and allow it to manifest itself physically... sexually. Meaning, this may translate into my taking a more "submissive / bottom" ... however you want to call it... role in bed... or.. wherever.

Regardless of what anyone else tells you ... will admit to... or doesn't... it's more important for you decide what YOU like and never settle. Coming to terms with what works for you and being able to express that desire will lead you to the right person.

Swift

[~LadyJane~]

I love pillow princes ;)

[aprettydress]

If the energy is there, I don't mind telling a boy to lie back, maybe/maybe not telling him 'do what comes natural'.

Depending on the person, depending on the situation, of course.

To me it's hot to 'service'--But at no time is he what I'd think of as a Pillow Prince, and not necessarily 'bottoming', either. Also, someone mentioned penetration--that's cool, but I don't associate that with receiving, at all.

I just don't see bottoming/Pilow Princ-ing as being synonymous with having your little lady get to work on you.

-Dress

[Beau4afemme]

I just don't see bottoming/Pilow Princ-ing as being synonymous with having your little lady get to work on you.

-Dress

Too funny.. "get to work on you" Somehow, I heard a lil whipcrack in the background with that comment.

Oh, and yeah, I don't get the whole butch bottom thing because for me being truly butch has always meant being a top. ::standing back for the garbage that will be thrown at me for putting it that way:: Seriously, butch for me has an element of control, which contradicts the idea of bottom. However, I think it's fun to watch a femme "get to work" if I understand the usage implied above. ::g::

[nihilisia]

I`m finding some pillow princes are the cat`s meow. Though the last one was an FTM who referred to himself as a Pillow Queen. ;) There is just all manner of fun to be had in the world.

[~LadyJane~]

If the energy is there, I don't mind telling a boy to lie back, maybe/maybe not telling him 'do what comes natural'.

Depending on the person, depending on the situation, of course.

To me it's hot to 'service'--But at no time is he what I'd think of as a Pillow Prince, and not necessarily 'bottoming', either. Also, someone mentioned penetration--that's cool, but I don't associate that with receiving, at all.

I just don't see bottoming/Pilow Princ-ing as being synonymous with having your little lady get to work on you.

-Dress

*snickering* i have to agree.. it is very HOT indeed.. and I think it makes a butch/boi hotter to be able to let me service or in some cases have my way *evil grins*

[Sophisticated1]

Interesting. I personally have never associated “butch” with being a “top.” I have also never associated “top” with “being in control” necessarily. Actually, I associate top with femme far easier than I do with butch! Having said that, I think being a top or a bottom is more about ones personal sexual proclivities rather than their identification as butch or femme.

…. And Prince has a rather nice ring to it, it sounds so, so regal. ;)

S1

[ButchBowWow]

Oh, and yeah, I don't get the whole butch bottom thing because for me being truly butch has always meant being a top. ::standing back for the garbage that will be thrown at me for putting it that way:: Seriously, butch for me has an element of control, which contradicts the idea of bottom. However, I think it's fun to watch a femme "get to work" if I understand the usage implied above. ::g::


I don't now nor have I ever considered myself a bottom, however, I never quite understood why being butch meant I had to give up being fucked. So...I never gave up either <eg>

[soveryfemme]

Oh, and yeah, I don't get the whole butch bottom thing because for me being truly butch has always meant being a top. ::standing back for the garbage that will be thrown at me for putting it that way:: Seriously, butch for me has an element of control, which contradicts the idea of bottom. However, I think it's fun to watch a femme "get to work" if I understand the usage implied above. ::g::[/QUOTE]


right..............
but
i prefer another term than "get to work"
maybe...

lay some sugah on me baby?

[corkey47]

My girl can think what she wants, and I love the way her mind works, in the end, and not "in the end" i get what I want, her being pleasured.
It all comes down to being in total trust of my Femme. She knows who is in control, and what i want, I get, as does she.

[Beau4afemme]

I don't now nor have I ever considered myself a bottom, however, I never quite understood why being butch meant I had to give up being fucked. So...I never gave up either <eg>

Okay.. thought the idea of being a "pillow prince" meant just laying there -- I have not given up a thing either; however, I don't relinquish control, which doesn't imply a "pillow" persona as I understand it. Also, numerous femmes have told me there are many butch bottoms. That's fine, but I like to lead when I dance, too.. so, maybe it's just my belief that's part of being butch.

[AmericanButch]

I made an error in my vote. I voted that I wouldnt like it because I was thinking in terms of penetration of me. However, I do love being on the bottom while penetrating my Lady. :P

I cant remember who said it but I loved the term. I sometimes top from the bottom.(y) Lots more freedom of movement to caress, pinch or bite her from the bottom.

[Sophisticated1]

Umm, well actually being a top or a bottom doesn't really mean ones actual physical position on "the top" or on "the bottom." I believe that pillow prince, or pillow princess for that matter, has to do with someone laying back and being 'done unto' so to speak (ie in whatever way, not necessarily "penetration") without necessarily responding in kind, in whatever way.

Topping from the bottom really has more to do a with a person who identifies as a bottom 'controlling' or trying to control the scene while remaining in a technically submissive space. Think of it more like a person who wishes to be dominated but at the same time and often surreptitiously, tries to direct the top into doing what they want them to do.

S1

[AmericanButch]

Umm, well actually being a top or a bottom doesn't really mean ones actual physical position on "the top" or on "the bottom." I believe that pillow prince, or pillow princess for that matter, has to do with someone laying back and being 'done unto' so to speak (ie in whatever way, not necessarily "penetration") without necessarily responding in kind, in whatever way.

Topping from the bottom really has more to do a with a person who identifies as a bottom 'controlling' or trying to control the scene while remaining in a technically submissive space. Think of it more like a person who wishes to be dominated but at the same time and often surreptitiously, tries to direct the top into doing what they want them to do.

S1

Great point! (y) I have never preferred being "done unto". I also cant say that I want to be dominated. Well, maybe I voted right after all. :)

[Sophisticated1]

There are far more butches that recieve out there than those that don't. You just have to see past the on-line bullshit occationally.



Truer words were never written! Unfortunately the "bullshit" that one has to see past is not restricted to the on line community.

So weird when "butch" is equated to "top" or being in "control" and how "strength" is associated with "dominance." There is nothing weak or passive or “un-butch” about being able to take what a powerful femme has to dish out. ;)

S1

[Carroll]

Since I'm the agressor, bottom (in mind) wouldn't be right for me. That doesn't leave out her "riding" me, though. (y)

[AmericanButch]

Since I'm the agressor, bottom (in mind) wouldn't be right for me. That doesn't leave out her "riding" me, though. (y)


Amen Carroll! (y)

[celtglen]

Since I'm the agressor, bottom (in mind) wouldn't be right for me. That doesn't leave out her "riding" me, though. (y)

Agreed...though having had a spinal cord injury her riding me is a huge help once my back has had enough banging her into the wall(s) ;)

[celtglen]

Truer words were never written! ..........." There is nothing weak or passive or “un-butch” about being able to take what a powerful femme has to dish out. ;)

S1


AH-fuckin-Men Bro..
:[I Love my Gal's aggression/power/passion whatever you wanna name it. :[

If She wants me on bottom so-be-it,
the rewards are unfathomable(um)(um)

I spent oh SO many years
with passive women, +o(
they are
a REAL bore if you ask me.:@

[button2cute]

Hello, ALL

I agree with Sophisticated 1's explaination.

Does it really matter who has the control in the sexual gratification. Let me rephrase it. It does not matter what position one may be in, the control still can be with one partner and sexual gratifying their mate.

I view a pillow prince as always recieving and never returning to their partner. Asfor a pillow princess my perception is the same and I had a lot of experience with a pillow princess.

If the partner is okay for one to be either a pillow prince or princess than its cool and their journey.

Did I say it correctly? I hope I did.

I know how does a tweener know? Because I was place in the position with a pillow princess and thought that was the correct way as it was for missionary with others. :)

[Jaddax]

Being a pillow prince isn't my thing but if someone is in a dynamic where being a pillow prince makes both people happy then what does it matter. I'm just glad were all different and can find others who fulfill our desires while getting theirs met.

[DanteM]

Right on(y)

[gaymer]

the next time i am on my back with my legs spread open while her fist is buried up inside me... i will try to remember to think about whether or not my masculinity is being compromised... i will try to remember to wonder whether or not i am still butch enough when i am cumming so hard i squeeze down on her and can feel the ridges of her knuckles way up inside me... yeah. let me get right on that.

-smirk-

[babyboytoy]

I do not think there is anything wrong with being a bottom or wanting to bottom every now and then..It brings something different to the relationship and the itimancy you share is alot strong I think..So yeah I love to top but i deffinatley love when my girls takes charge and I am on my back :)

[waywardbutch]

top top top till the moon is just right,
then the daddy can be a boi for a night
The pillow prince dream I never had
but a subby boi's dream can be very bad
of acheing muscles and skin on fire
and all the other secret desires
but when the sun rises
the moon collects our disguises
Daddy is home for another moon
the boi wont be seen again soon

[kaseez]

the next time i am on my back with my legs spread open while her fist is buried up inside me... i will try to remember to think about whether or not my masculinity is being compromised... i will try to remember to wonder whether or not i am still butch enough when i am cumming so hard i squeeze down on her and can feel the ridges of her knuckles way up inside me... yeah. let me get right on that.

-smirk-

Loved your response!!! While reading through the thread I was thinking, "How many B-F er's does it take to over-analyze a poll???"

I'm not butch (for the record, I'd rank Femme of center & bottom of center)... but if I'm with someone I care about & trust, I think playing hostess to my pillow prince for a night/weekend can be very hot. It's all in the attitude/personality of said prince, I don't think it takes anything away from their butchness and/or Toppyness at all (especially if the butch is topping from the bottom... um, yeah, also hot).(a)

[Perabo]

wrong in so many ways

Just really quick; it is posts like this that keep a lot of butches in the closet on this site in regards to their sexual desires and preferences. Kudos to those of you that put it right out there that you are a bottom...that takes courage on this site any more.(y)
Seems the "norm" on this site is for the butches to be tops/doms/etc....especially when the whole bottoming thought is made out to be "wrong" by some people. Perhaps they should specify that it is wrong for them, not for all.

I don't normally even post in threads like this because of how technical people can get and how things are taken the wrong way all the time. So please take this as an opinion of a goof off on this site:D ....one that gets tired of seeing posts like the one above. Perhaps this is why I just read the threads and never post. Who knows....

Back to the topic at hand.

[BCtboi]

Just really quick; it is posts like this that keep a lot of butches in the closet on this site in regards to their sexual desires and preferences. Kudos to those of you that put it right out there that you are a bottom...that takes courage on this site any more.(y)
Seems the "norm" on this site is for the butches to be tops/doms/etc....especially when the whole bottoming thought is made out to be "wrong" by some people. Perhaps they should specify that it is wrong for them, not for all.

I don't normally even post in threads like this because of how technical people can get and how things are taken the wrong way all the time. So please take this as an opinion of a goof off on this site:D ....one that gets tired of seeing posts like the one above. Perhaps this is why I just read the threads and never post. Who knows....

Back to the topic at hand.

Well said!

[DrBombay]

Only in this community do I know too much about who bottoms and who tops; who sucks it and who fucks it.

I now know who takes up the ass with a granite plug, who likes a fist in their kahoopa, etc.

I now know who doesn't think there is anything wrong with being a pillow prince.... and who thinks being a pillow prince is the toppiest thing going.

And, or course, from HB's lips to GOD, I now know that there are more butches that receive than give.

I have friends in my life for more than 20 years and I don't know what they do or how they do it with their partners; and I am pleased not to know.

Now, the next time I meet some of you in real time............nevermind.

[gaymer]

pst... watch out for the threads on bdsm too... cuz... holy crap... there's some serious sharing going on there too!

[DrBombay]

pst... watch out for the threads on bdsm too... cuz... holy crap... there's some serious sharing going on there too!

I expect TMI from any group that feels compelled to label its brand of power and exchange anything other than sex and/or intimacy. Please.

[gaymer]

um. yeah.

*head desk*

[JetBoy]

Mmmmm Granite...

[musicfemme]

Personally, I like having TMI about everyone. Especially the knowledge of which bois on the site like to be fisted and which ones like to take it up the ass. But maybe it's just me.

[JetBoy]

I like it cuz it's nasty.

[musicfemme]

I like it cuz it's nasty.

Which is nasty--TMI or taking it up the ass?

[Perabo]

Which is nasty--TMI or taking it up the ass?

D. All of the above!:D

[JetBoy]

Both.

Nasty nasty.

[kaseez]

Only in this community do I know too much about who bottoms and who tops; who sucks it and who fucks it.

I now know who takes up the ass with a granite plug, who likes a fist in their kahoopa, etc.

I now know who doesn't think there is anything wrong with being a pillow prince.... and who thinks being a pillow prince is the toppiest thing going.

And, or course, from HB's lips to GOD, I now know that there are more butches that receive than give.

I have friends in my life for more than 20 years and I don't know what they do or how they do it with their partners; and I am pleased not to know.

Now, the next time I meet some of you in real time............nevermind.

mmmm.... granite. Is there a thread dedicated to 'granite anal plugs' or do I have to actually run a search of everything granite and anal?

Dr. Bomb ~ Could you make this one a little easy on me and just link me to the granite anal plug thread? (k) Much appreciated.

Maybe it's my inquisitive nature, or maybe it's my witty banter and insightful bits of wisdom.... but I know most of what my friends do or do not do with their partners. I like that my knowledge extends beyond my personal experiences with a few partners. But that's just me (I'll let y'all know how that works out).

(a)

[The_Lady_Snow]

Which is nasty--TMI or taking it up the ass?


My idea of nasty


Giving up the TMI while taking it up the ass as I watch Forrest Gump


OK maybe not nasty but entertaining

Question is

Is Snow taking it up the ass or is Snow doing the taking of the ass......

hmmmmm^o)

[Perabo]

My idea of nasty


Giving up the TMI while taking it up the ass as I watch Forrest Gump


OK maybe not nasty but entertaining

Question is

Is Snow taking it up the ass or is Snow doing the taking of the ass......

hmmmmm^o)


Oh good, a question for me to ponder in the middle of the night!! ;)

Forrest Gump, really? :|

[The_Lady_Snow]

Oh good, a question for me to ponder in the middle of the night!! ;)

Forrest Gump, really? :|


Or Dragon Ball Z


Your choice

[Lips]

Now, the next time I meet some of you in real time............nevermind.

I really like you Dr. B so I'm not trying to snark you out, but why do you read those threads if you don't want to know the information?

I mean, some people have a problem with various threads in and throughout the site, however, it seems a bit much to come in and piss on the parade of a thread where you have no interest in the information given.

That would be like me going into the gender threads and saying "Are you guys STILL talking about this? GAWD!"

Feel me?

Respectfully,

Lips

[musicfemme]

I vote for Forrest Gump taking it up the ass from Snow.

[nihilisia]

I hope the TMI continues - it makes me happy. I like butches, bois, genderqueers, FTMs, tweeners, andros and femmes. I like tops, bottoms and switches. I like stone tops and stone bottoms. I like pillow princes and pilllow princesses. Sometimes I like being a pillow princess. I find that no two lovers are alike and that I am different also with each lover. Just when I think I've found what type of lover is definitely *it* for me, the universe throws me something new and I understand myself and the universe in a new way. Chemistry is amazing - partially because its so mysterious. What awakens the animal in me with one person, it's most likely to involve that person. Some I want to ravage and others to be ravaged by and others both or neither. Just pushing myself and growing and learning how little I know about myself so far. Pillow princes are the bomb though - at least the ones with whom I've shared some space and time.

[silveroak1]

"wrong in so many ways"


Ok...have to start here...this seemingly small statement...just hit me "wrong in so many ways"....

the lack of acceptance ...gave me pause to address my personal stuff..fear of being thought of as less then... strong.... weak even ........
as well as the statement
by Thinker
"I am no more interested in labeling another's preferences as "wrong" as I am in having my own preferences labeled.......or *judged*........as wrong."
I also decided...to make my thoughts public...because of the poll results...(at least my interpretation) ...so many times I hear stories of a Butch in bed ...and how fast their "heals" went into the air...laced with sarcasm....and mockery....thats how the story usually gets told....or in a hushed voice...as if not to wake the devil...or go against some secret code...Its Crap I say...( said in a heavy Irish brogue)
My least favorite response was "flipping a butch" ...making it seems "sportlike"...as if to notch a bed post or something...certainly had the affect of withdrawing even further .
IT took me years to be "OK" with being sexually receptive...submissive....and all that it entails...it certainly didnt "feel" like it was ok...to come out as a young butch bottom...so I didnt.......now mind you this was a little tough finding partners that you had chemistry with ........pardon the pun..but it was sort of the back door method...and with a wish and crossed fingers...I always hoped to be interested in someone who "switched"...and then late at night....when no one was around...
Well now a days...I'm not so young...and it still gets me...statements or how its "wrong in so many ways"...for that individual...it probably is........but imagine the young butches of current ..who read that statement...and the message they get is something like...you cant be your authentic self...its not safe...to be who you truly are...
Words by HoneyBarbara
"demanding pillow princes rock my fuckin world. Pie, just because a lot of them won't come out and say it on this sight doesn't mean they aren't any. I recall I started a thread once about butches who like being fisted cause I got sick and fuckin tired of butches in the chat room telling me "don't tell anyone but I really love being fisted." they told me because they knew I'd enjoy it and be happy about it but god forbid they should be exposed to the judgement that often follows.
most - though not all - of the butches I've fucked, even though they ID'd as a daddy, loved getting a good hard fuck or fisting from me. I'm not special. I think many do it when they trust that you will still see them as butch as they ever were. Frankly, I love someone that can take what they dish out.
I've dated one complete pillow prince and it was FABULOUS. one dildo up the butch wallet and one up the arse... the power exhuded by hir was phenominal... the roaring, the grunting, the sweating and the demanding hungry calls... blew my mind. it in no way compramises their masculinity... I can feel their power running up my arm during the fisting. I often takes my breath away.
trust me pie, I personally said no to lots of things until I found a person that turned me to jelly and then suddenly that no turned into a scary exciting yes. I find many people are the same. Not all. But you'll be suprised at how often hard boundries, after some trust and non-judgement and deep sexual arrousal turns into "maybe I'll try it once" and when they see how turned on you are... it leads to another ... and another... and another.
you won't be lonely. There are far more butches that recieve out there than those that don't. You just have to see past the on-line bullshit occationally."

Can I get an AMEN!! awesome

Words by Lady Jane
snickering* "i have to agree.. it is very HOT indeed.. and I think it makes a butch/boi hotter to be able to let me service or in some cases have my way *evil grins*"
One word....WOOF!

And I cant say this any better
by ButchBowWow
I don't now nor have I ever considered myself a bottom, however, I never quite understood why being butch meant I had to give up being fucked. So...I never gave up either <eg>

By Jaddax
Being a pillow prince isn't my thing but if someone is in a dynamic where being a pillow prince makes both people happy then what does it matter. I'm just glad were all different and can find others who fulfill our desires while getting theirs met
Yehhh ....now thats what Im talking about...acceptance , tolerence lends itself to queer kinky righteous connections

And words filled with brilliant sarcasm by Gaymer
"the next time i am on my back with my legs spread open while her fist is buried up inside me... i will try to remember to think about whether or not my masculinity is being compromised... i will try to remember to wonder whether or not i am still butch enough when i am cumming so hard i squeeze down on her and can feel the ridges of her knuckles way up inside me... yeah. let me get right on that.
-smirk-"

love it......testify ...go on with ya bad self... awesome...it seems these are the words I think about ..but am to "polite" to say outloud...


So ...yep...butch boi...thats me...bottom boi ..yep thats me again...and on and on ...


now wheres that pillow...?


and lets not leave out greedy...either

[June2Pence]

Personally, I like having TMI about everyone. Especially the knowledge of which bois on the site like to be fisted and which ones like to take it up the ass. But maybe it's just me.

I like to know too and not just for pervy reasons like the Evil Bunny Lover. ;)

There might be PEOPLE out there who think they're the only ones with the DESIRE to take it up the ass, down the throat or anywhere else you can think of. THEY/WE need to know that it's OKAY!

THEY/WE don't need to have their/our desires dictated by insecure tight-asses hell-bent on REPRESSING the legitimate DESIRES of OTHERS in order to maintain their own fragile EGO-system.

Reciprocal Sex. It's a Good Thing. Getting your lover/fuck/trick off - Priceless.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Personally (read this as June's opinion) I spit on "I'm too Butch/Male/Whatever". Take your manties off and let's get to it.:P

J2P

[evolveme]

There might be PEOPLE out there who think they're the only ones with the DESIRE to take it up the ass, down the throat or anywhere else you can think of. THEY/WE need to know that it's OKAY!

THEY/WE don't need to have their/our desires dictated by insecure tight-asses hell-bent on REPRESSING the legitimate DESIRES of OTHERS in order to maintain their own fragile EGO-system.

Reciprocal Sex. It's a Good Thing. Getting your lover/fuck/trick off - Priceless.


Oh, A-Fucking-MEN!

[Lucien]

I consider myself a top. But I am not afraid to admit that I have no problem being topped from the bottom. :P Think about it, how many of you butch tops don’t realize that sometimes you are being “topped” by your femme? I mean, yes of course you feel like you are in charge and running the fuck BUT don’t you realize that just maybe your femme orchestrated it to “make” you feel like you’re in charge and all along she is getting exactly her way the whole time. .

Lawd Is that what she was doing? Egads I do believe I've been had!


I hate having my cock sucked and riden while I lay there all fluffed up on pillows. I HATE IT!! I hate that I don't have rug burns on my knees or a sore back from fucking doggie style for hours. I HATE THAT!! I hate that I don't even break a sweat. I JUST HATE THAT PART!

Silly useless pillow princes

"You forgot to add the bit about her loverly breasts in your face whilst you suck on her nipples" I hate that part the most;).

Sorry was I being crude? I read somewhere that "Women should be obscene and not heard." and since y'all cant hear me...

[Peach]

Only in this community do I know too much about who bottoms and who tops; who sucks it and who fucks it.

I now know who takes up the ass with a granite plug, who likes a fist in their kahoopa, etc.

I now know who doesn't think there is anything wrong with being a pillow prince.... and who thinks being a pillow prince is the toppiest thing going.

And, or course, from HB's lips to GOD, I now know that there are more butches that receive than give.

I have friends in my life for more than 20 years and I don't know what they do or how they do it with their partners; and I am pleased not to know.

Now, the next time I meet some of you in real time............nevermind.

If you dont like those threads, dont read those threads. Pretty Simplle, eh?

[fastNfurious]

TMI RAWKS hardcore - and so does ANYONE expressing themselves sexually any fucking way they want to without worrying about labels and preconceived roles!

~ Just sayin...

[turino]

Frankly, I enjoy that people express themselves in whichever way they prefer. It doesn't mean I have to read it, support it, agree with it. It just exists. It exists for their own fulfillment.

If I get something out of it, then great...if not, who gives a damn anyway. Why get so bent out of shape over other people's needs???

Give me some really good heavy SM gay male porn and then we'll talk, mkay?

btw...I think I am having a little bit of trouble with my kahoopa. Does anyone have a salve?

[BCtboi]

I wouldn't consider myself a pillow prince, but I do enjoy a good hard fuck every now and again. I don't give two shits what anyone thinks about it either.

Personally, I find taking a fist or whatever else is available at the time to very liberating. And no, I don't think it compromises my masculinity. One fucking bit.

[~LadyJane~]

I wouldn't consider myself a pillow prince, but I do enjoy a good hard fuck every now and again. I don't give two shits what anyone thinks about it either.

Personally, I find taking a fist or whatever else is available at the time to very liberating. And no, I don't think it compromises my masculinity. One fucking bit.

Indeed.. what ever rocks your world, makes you howl to the moon.. or leaves you with a naughty grin the next day.. BOOOYAH I just need to find me one of those butches ;)

[BCtboi]

Give me some really good heavy SM gay male porn and then we'll talk, mkay?


Aftershock 2 by Falcon Studios may be of some interest to you.;)

[BCtboi]

Indeed.. what ever rocks your world, makes you howl to the moon.. or leaves you with a naughty grin the next day.. BOOOYAH I just need to find me one of those butches ;)

Don't forget hot and sweaty. And out of breath. :P

[musicfemme]

I need to watch more heavy SM gay male porn. And carry a salve.

[feistyfemme1]

I cant imagine giving up my position as a submissive bottom pillow princess to a butch!!
This just messes with my head!

[musicfemme]

I cant imagine giving up my position as a submissive bottom pillow princess to a butch!!
This just messes with my head!

I can't imagine BEING a submissive bottom pillow princess to a butch. That's a mind fuck right there. ;) I suppose stranger things have happened, but...

[ASHTON]

I think the fella that said it was wrong, meant pesonally. I mean that is after all the purpose of the thread..stating your opinion.

Reading the responses here I am reminded of the threaed "Am I butch enough" Scads of people told the questionee that if he felt butch, then that was enough. It's all realtive. Since what we answer is our opinion, then one must take it, that the opinion is relateing to the person saying it and not being all encompassing.

I whole heartedly agree that standing/stating who you are without fear of persecution is refreshing,and as it should be. I have jumped in the middle of people that sound off about a person not being enough of something to identify a certain way. I liken that type to the little man syndrome. Stating someone doesn't measure up is insecurity at its best.

None of us is here to measure up to anothers standards, we are here because we are like minded and we find community and validation of our feelings in that like mindedness not in all of us being cut exactly from the same cloth.

and while I'm on my soapbox...

I have to wonder about those that find certain threads TMI and yet still read it, Then feel that they have to comment that this is something they didn't want to know. That is like going to the store and buying something you don't like, just so you can go back to the store and tell them I don't like this why do you have this in the store. Knock knock...if it ain't your cup of tea don't pick up the cup!

[~LadyJane~]

I can't imagine BEING a submissive bottom pillow princess to a butch. That's a mind fuck right there. ;) I suppose stranger things have happened, but...


Amen Sistah!!

[DivaTX45]

I love B-F

It is both educational AND entertaining. :|



~Diva (8)

[LADY FLAMEZZZ]

me too Miss Diva

still blushing from things said in this thread,lol
:[

[LADY FLAMEZZZ]

Frankly, I enjoy that people express themselves in whichever way they prefer. It doesn't mean I have to read it, support it, agree with it. It just exists. It exists for their own fulfillment.

If I get something out of it, then great...if not, who gives a damn anyway. Why get so bent out of shape over other people's needs???

Give me some really good heavy SM gay male porn and then we'll talk, mkay?

btw...I think I am having a little bit of trouble with my kahoopa. Does anyone have a salve?



hands turino sum prep h
>helpful<

[LADY FLAMEZZZ]

I vote for Forrest Gump taking it up the ass from Snow.


gawd please let that be on video,lol
:[

[fastNfurious]

I woke up thinking about this thread y'all... and I just had to come back in here and say BRAVO to EVERYONE in this thread who have felt confident enough to discuss and share with others, the fact that it IS *OK* to not only give but to receive with their partners! It's most certainly ok not to want that... but a lot butches/guys I think are afraid to talk about it when they do like to receive. I wouldn't call myself a pillow prince but I sure as hell don't have a problem saying that I enjoy letting my wife run the fuck! And does it make me less of a man... no freakin way, :) TMI... maybe so. But those who think so don't have to read this thread do they?

[WOOF]

.....

I consider myself a top. But I am not afraid to admit that I have no problem being topped from the bottom. :P Think about it, how many of you butch tops don’t realize that sometimes you are being “topped” by your femme? I mean, yes of course you feel like you are in charge and running the fuck BUT don’t you realize that just maybe your femme orchestrated it to “make” you feel like you’re in charge and all along she is getting exactly her way the whole time. I tell you, for me there is nothing hotter than a femme who can validate my butchness by taking control but all along making me feel like I am the King. (a) ....

-- GB

Amen......trust me that is truly an artform in itself!

[DivaTX45]

I woke up thinking about this thread y'all... and I just had to come back in here and say BRAVO to EVERYONE in this thread who have felt confident enough to discuss and share with others, the fact that it IS *OK* to not only give but to receive with their partners! It's most certainly ok not to want that... but a lot butches/guys I think are afraid to talk about it when they do like to receive. I wouldn't call myself a pillow prince but I sure as hell don't have a problem saying that I enjoy letting my wife run the fuck! And does it make me less of a man... no freakin way, :) TMI... maybe so. But those who think so don't have to read this thread do they?


Thank You, M-Precious.....I'm enjoying that visual of S-Precious ~ as someone said ~ "running the fuck"......

I need a cigarette. :|

"I'll have what [she's] having!"



~Diva (8)

[waywardbutch]

ok, I aint been fisted in like... oh i dunno probably more than 14 years or so... but the last thing i remember thinking was... why is it so hard to talk the femmes out of wearing their rings when they do that?

Seriously, I never even flinched at the idea of taking it in the ass, its never been a challenge to my butchness... Sometimes to my topness I guess, but they are different things...

to our dear TMI afflicted... its really ok, close your eyes n be happy... its the path to bliss I hear.

[BCtboi]

why is it so hard to talk the femmes out of wearing their rings when they do that?

Or to get them to trim their nails! Ouch!:s

[Isadora]

*Sitting down, slowly bending over to show cleavage, running hands up stocking covered legs, pushing skirt up and adjusting garter*

Who? Me? Never.

[glitterclit]

Sexy and Intimate...Mutual pleasure and loving reciprocity...Perfect. Reflecting when I tally another reason why I adore my latex pillows.

[~LadyJane~]

ok, I aint been fisted in like... oh i dunno probably more than 14 years or so... but the last thing i remember thinking was... why is it so hard to talk the femmes out of wearing their rings when they do that?

Seriously, I never even flinched at the idea of taking it in the ass, its never been a challenge to my butchness... Sometimes to my topness I guess, but they are different things...

to our dear TMI afflicted... its really ok, close your eyes n be happy... its the path to bliss I hear.

Grins.. well this girl will whip off her rings in a nanosecond ;)

[BCtboi]

I'm loving this thread. (l):)

[iamkeri1]

ladies and gents,
bois and gurls,
femmes and butches
et al.
Come on now!!!

Ain't you all up into rollin' around on the bed? Hair flying, hands here...NO there! oh! oh! yah that feels good! Hands everywhere, in everything, cocks pushing down, down cocks pointing up, cocks with lips wrapped around them, tongues a lickin' everything, lips and tongues reaching out for each other. Up. down, sheets all ripped off the bed, bodies rollin, laughin off the bed down on to the covers spilled all over the floor still clinging to each other, body parts still locked together? I mean rollin' folks.

I mean if you change partners every week, I guess you can still have excitement even doing the same things all the time. But if you stay together for a while you're going to stick with this guys on top gals on the bottom stuff? Where's the excitement? Where's the variety?

I mean I'm old, but I'm not dead. I want that me on top, you on top, side by side, face to face, spooning belly to butt. I mean if its out there try it. Don't say no. It ain't going to change you from a rooster to a hen! (Thank you Dolly Parton!) When the lights are off we know who we are.

Live a little bois and girls.

Get rollin'!!!
(k)
Smooches
Keri

[iamkeri1]

Now Leave Forrest Gump alone! He is one of my favorite characters of all time. That poor boy was too innocent to know where babies came from. He'd be totally confused by ass fucking, however pleasureable.

Just pat him on the head and say goodnight, and then do whatever you want in the other room. His mother always did that/ He'd used to that.

Keri

[musicfemme]

I kind of like the "ow" factor of the long nails, but I do try and be careful if it's required of me. I don't wear rings, so that's not a problem. :)

In all seriousness, I am also happy to see people sharing in this thread. When I first came to B/F.com I really thought I was a freak for the things I enjoyed and thought about. There were a lot fewer butches AND femmes admitting that they like these things. I think especially when you are new to a community, it only takes one time to see someone making fun of something you like to start feeling like an idiot or you don't belong. Now that I've been around a few years it rolls off my back, but then it didn't necessarily.

[BCtboi]

I kind of like the "ow" factor of the long nails, but I do try and be careful if it's required of me. I don't wear rings, so that's not a problem.

I find that latex gloves, a size larger with cotton balls at the finger tips help. But yeah, the ow thing can be fun, if done properly. :)

Acrylic nails are definitely a deal breaker for me though.

[kaseez]

It ain't going to change you from a rooster to a hen! (Thank you Dolly Parton!) When the lights are off we know who we are.

I will be using that line later... ;)

[gaymer]

am i the only one that LOVES the feeling of nails up inside him????

-shrug-

[BCtboi]

am i the only one that LOVES the feeling of nails up inside him????

-shrug-

I used to love it. Until I had a bad experience. I wouldn't say I don't like it, I just have to trust the person a lot.

[akadyke]

am i the only one that LOVES the feeling of nails up inside

-shrug-

no.

.....................

[TheaLeticia]

Not sure what could be more masculine than him telling me (ordering me?) to pound him and growling in delight at my long fingernails. Mmmmmmmm!

My overshare of the day.

[Addiction]

ok, I aint been fisted in like... oh i dunno probably more than 14 years or so... but the last thing i remember thinking was... why is it so hard to talk the femmes out of wearing their rings when they do that?



:|

If anyone ever refuses to take their rings off to fist me, that'll be the end of our sexual relationship. And I'm sure it won't be a big loss for me.

People's bodies are more important than rings. Jeez.

[Addiction]

Especially the knowledge of which bois on the site like to be fisted and which ones like to take it up the ass.

You have a list, don't you?

Will you PM it to me?

(6)

[nihilisia]

I had to come in here before work and now I'll be thinking about nails and ow factors and wishing I had the day off and some good company.

and there's a list?

*perk*

[OBB Orginal BadBoi]

The girls I've been with have anyways been great at seduction/making me want them and pros when it came to taking my agression, my passion, handling my drive, and pleasing my need for lustful carnage, control, and conquest over my desires to have my way with them and posses that power over thier heaven sent bodies.

Truely in that aspect my lovers have always summited tenfolds to me and given me those fucking a pornstar memories however I'm never more impressed then when she leaves her claw marks on and all over my thins as she does have them running up and down my back, or I could find her lipstick marks on my boxers the day after, or maybe she pushed me down on back hands behind my head and grinded on me till the scent of our sex and friction between our bodies turns me on so completely my chest was pounding and my body was aching for her to take it to the next level and for her to have her way with me exspecailly if she's as rough and demanding with me as I have been with her..Actaully if she's going to take it there with me I have to be sure she knows what she is doing becuz it takes alot for her to get me off as a sub I'm hard to get and even harder to please.

Sooo Very rare and few are the femmes that can make a pillow prince out of me, but when I find a femme who i feel is sexually on my level and the chemistry is right with I enjoy the power exchange definately.

[babaloo]

I love it when my lady takes the lead and goes n tp...its such a turn watching her getting pleasure from being on top. My hands are free to tantalise other bodily parts and I have a beautiful view of my true love grinding her body against mine in ecstasy. (f)(l):$;)(y)(y)(y)

[BCtboi]

The best part is when your hands aren't free, and you're left to struggle while she does as she pleases.

[BCtboi]

bump bump.

or should i say thump thump?

[nihilisia]

The best part is when your hands aren't free, and you're left to struggle while she does as she pleases.

This brings up pleasantly evil thoughts. <:o)

[BCtboi]

This brings up pleasantly evil thoughts. <:o)

Indeed. (6)

[musicfemme]

You have a list, don't you?

Will you PM it to me?

(6)

LOL!!! I only just saw this, and yes--I have a pretty good mental checklist of the bois who like to be fisted and take it up the ass. I'm kind wrong that way. :o


I had to come in here before work and now I'll be thinking about nails and ow factors and wishing I had the day off and some good company.

and there's a list?

*perk*

see above


The best part is when your hands aren't free, and you're left to struggle while she does as she pleases.

A man after my own heart.

[BCtboi]

LOL!!! I only just saw this, and yes--I have a pretty good mental checklist of the bois who like to be fisted and take it up the ass. I'm kind wrong that way. :o


You can add me to both lists.

[nihilisia]

LOL!!! I only just saw this, and yes--I have a pretty good mental checklist of the bois who like to be fisted and take it up the ass. I'm kind wrong that way. :o


It's kind of you to be so willing to sacrifice your time and energy to compiling such a list. Fabulously altruistic of you...

to hand it over!

[musicfemme]

It's kind of you to be so willing to sacrifice your time and energy to compiling such a list. Fabulously altruistic of you...

to hand it over!

I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

[musicfemme]

You can add me to both lists.

Dude, you're already on both of them. Duh. I wouldn't be paying very careful attention if you weren't now, would I?

[~LadyJane~]

Dude, you're already on both of them. Duh. I wouldn't be paying very careful attention if you weren't now, would I?



**** snickers****
BC is a very very good boi and a sweetie too!

[nihilisia]

I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you.

like, immediately afterwards?

[BCtboi]

**** snickers****
BC is a very very good boi and a sweetie too!


:$:$:$:$:$:$ kinda slutty too. i haven't figured out if that's good or bad.

[~LadyJane~]

:$:$:$:$:$:$ kinda slutty too. i haven't figured out if that's good or bad.

well newly single.. yeah! You are still healing.. so enjoy the journey my friend!

[gaymer]

i totally got nailed in the back seat of a car the other day... unfortunately... there was no pillow.

-smirk-

[BCtboi]

i totally got nailed in the back seat of a car the other day... unfortunately... there was no pillow.

-smirk-

you hussy.

i'm jealous.

[gaymer]

ohhhhh poor boy...

hey... i'll help you out... i'll nail ya in the back seat of my car!

;)

[BCtboi]

ohhhhh poor boy...

hey... i'll help you out... i'll nail ya in the back seat of my car!

;)

that's hot.(k)

[gaymer]

-smirk-

i got mad skillz.

;)

[musicfemme]

Can I watch? :o

[kaseez]

*stepping up to volunteer*

I'll hold the video cam!!! (~)

[gaymer]

Can I watch? :o

only if i get a chance to nail you next...

-smirk-

[gaymer]

*stepping up to volunteer*

I'll hold the video cam!!! (~)

well well well...

looks like i'm gonna have my hands full...

[kaseez]

well well well...

looks like i'm gonna have my hands full...

Heh.

Is this still all going to take place in the back seat?

[gaymer]

well... now it looks like the party has gotten a little bigger...

might have to have you all over instead.

[BCtboi]

I think I see a porn franchise.

[kaseez]

I think I see a porn franchise.

First one to come up with a name for the Porn Franchise, WINS!!!!!

[gaymer]

i've never titled my home vids...

[gaymer]

the backseat boys

[kaseez]

the backseat boys

Heh... for someone who doesn't name their home vids... you came up with a pretty good one, pretty darn quick.

[musicfemme]

only if i get a chance to nail you next...

-smirk-

Sure, why not? (x)

[gaymer]

Sure, why not? (x)

such enthusiasm!

;)

[musicfemme]

such enthusiasm!

;)

LOL, I don't give up control easily but I figure since it's you I can take one for the team.

[gaymer]

now that's what i call a team player!

[BCtboi]

Can I watch? :o

Hell yeah!

[BCtboi]

LOL, I don't give up control easily but I figure since it's you I can take one for the team.

If it'll make you feel any better, you can nail me too. ;)

[~LadyJane~]

* going over to the femme couch*.. this is going to get interesting ;)

[DanteM]

* going over to the femme couch*.. this is going to get interesting ;)


Isn't it though? lol (au)

[~LadyJane~]

Isn't it though? lol (au)

Well c'mere and have a seat, you are always welcome ;)

[gaymer]

If it'll make you feel any better, you can nail me too. ;)

now that's a boy after my own heart!

so accomodating!

(l)

[BCtboi]

now that's a boy after my own heart!

so accomodating!

(l)

if you ever find yourself in TN, I'll show you how accommodating I can be. (6)

[gaymer]

-smirk-

i guess i just might have to add tn to my list of places to go score some ass...

;)

[kaseez]

-smirk-

i guess i just might have to add tn to my list of places to go score some ass...

;)

If you wouldn't mind, please forward me a copy of said list.

Thx!

[gaymer]

apparently i am a pillow biter

-smirk-

[Addiction]

butch pillow biters. yummy!

I prefer to bite lips and nipples, myself.

[gaymer]

hard to do when you're ass up, face down...

or so it has been my experience...

heh!

[glamour girlie]

for me i would not be interested in a "pillow prince" someone who just lays there and recieves. (f)

[Annie]

for me i would not be interested in a "pillow prince" someone who just lays there and recieves. (f)

Where did you find this "definition"? It certainly doesn't fit MY idea (and experience) of a pillow prince.

I'd say it's a fair bet that most pillow princes wouldn't be interested in you either, given your obvious distaste for the particular skills and virtues of such a boi/boy.

[BCtboi]

I certainly don't lay there and take it. I enjoy the reciprocating as well, especially if it's forced.

[gaymer]

Where did you find this "definition"? It certainly doesn't fit MY idea (and experience) of a pillow prince.

I'd say it's a fair bet that most pillow princes wouldn't be interested in you either, given your obvious distaste for the particular skills and virtues of such a boi/boy.

*genuflecting*

amen.

[glamour girlie]

Where did you find this "definition"? It certainly doesn't fit MY idea (and experience) of a pillow prince.

I'd say it's a fair bet that most pillow princes wouldn't be interested in you either, given your obvious distaste for the particular skills and virtues of such a boi/boy.

what are you talking about? what distaste of skills are you talking about? please enlighten me on your expertise on pillow prince.

ITs my impression that a pillow anything means someone who only wishes to receive, and not reciprocate. If your definition is different, please explain. Maybe I just misunderstood the point of a thread titled "Pillow Prince".

Apparently Im not the only confused person, on page 1 of this thread, Hym posted this


Yes, please let 'us' define “bottom” and while we're at it - can 'we' please define Pillow Prince?

I am under the impression that Pillow Prince describes someone who wants/needs to be the sexual receiver at all times, every time. Therefore - I do not fantasize about being a Pillow Prince. But then again, that is not the question, is it? The question is “Do you fantasize about being a bottom?”


Its amazing how fast you are to attack someone, even when you don't know what they mean. So much for being entitled to an opinion in a poll.

[Annie]

what are you talking about? what distaste of skills are you talking about? please enlighten me on your expertise on pillow prince.

How about YOU take some time to READ about a topic before you post, educate yourself a little so you can make more informed posts.

I don't have the time or the inclination to fill in your knowledge gaps about something in which you have (stated) no interest or (implied) respect. Threads about bottom boys and Top Femmes are found easily enough in the sexuality threads. I suggest a simple search might help you if you are truly interested , and not just snarking at me.

[glamour girlie]

YOU need to check YOURSELF and take some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes. and while you at it educate YOURSELF to the word snark an realize you completely attacked me when i was expressing my opinion. i wasn't being judgemental to ANYONES preference I truly believe EVERYONE has a right to their own preferences. i simply made a statement of my opinion in an opinion poll site. i think you need to sage yourself.

[Annie]

YOU need to check YOURSELF and take some ANGER MANAGEMENT classes. and while you at it educate YOURSELF to the word snark an realize you completely attacked me when i was expressing my opinion. i wasn't being judgemental to ANYONES preference I truly believe EVERYONE has a right to their own preferences. i simply made a statement of my opinion in an opinion poll site. i think you need to sage yourself.


Thanks for the advice. I see you edited the post I quoted to make yourself look far more reasonable than you did initially. LOL Fast work!

Honey, you clearly have no idea how to respond to an opinion that differs from yours. I never attacked you. I suggested that you would never have to worry about having a pillow prince because of your attitude towards them. That's not an attack. It's a statement of opinion. LOL

Take your own advice.

What does "sage yourself" mean exactly?

[Banana]

How about everyone read the TOS and remember that you have agreed to treat members with respect and courtesy. That way I don't have to come in here and put folks on timeout.

Thanks,

Banana

[LADY FLAMEZZZ]

If you wouldn't mind, please forward me a copy of said list.

Thx!


we tennesseans love to hospitable,lol
bring your own pillow and over alls!!!
<:o)

[SugarSweetBoi]

I personaly fall into the faggy boi switch area more then anything. I love me some boiz and trans men...who also tend to be tops. Not always mind you. I have certainly come across my share of bottoms in my time. For me though, I like to switch. It's a rare thing I purely bottom for ANYONE.

In all honesty, my prefernce is for othes switches. On occasion a bottom, but I tend towards top therefore other tops and I tend not to work out to well. We sure have a good time finding THAT out the hard way though!

[educand]

Personally, I don't want anything up in my business, and my girlfriend loves it, so that works out. Otherwise, I can't fathom anything more pointless than kvetching about or dissing the sexual preferences of someone you aren't sleeping with.

[softness]

:::eye brow up as I read some of the last remarks:::

looking up and at the group....eyes still and yet soft...

in other threads I have mentioned I have been a femme Domme/Top...and I had my own little butch bois who were total pillow princes. I also had a renegade female who was a handful and I trained a couple in submissive protocol...I have never played in the public scenes and do not go to clubs. One of my best male friends is a serious butch Top/Daddy who is into the extreme of this world. So I have some experience that frames my words...but by no means am I nor ever was, a hard core player. I did not do heavy stuff...I love the mental fuck of a Ds interaction and have done and enjoy light BD but steer clear of S&M, though I find it extremely erotic. Its just not for me...

I joined this world not because it was something I was initially drawn to, tho I became involved, enjoyed it and was quite good at it. I joined because the butch I became involved with at one point in my life did not have a sexually aggressive, dominant bone in hir body. After trying for months to get hir to understand what I wanted sexually, and her not being able or willing to go there, I simply grabbed her by the wrist one day and said "STOP" and flipped her....and boy did that work for hir...and for me, for while

but it got old not ever getting what I needed. I stood Stone to hir and would not let hir have any of the control. It was indeed HOT and I did enjoy it but...

After that ended, I still played with bois and while it continued to be HOT, I was needing more. I eventually discovered it wasnt any particular boi who wasnt pleasing me. I was t being with bois all the time that the problem was. I knew I needed to move out of the Top realm and go back to wence I came...being a soft femme...

people ask me all the time, how I can go from being the Top to being a soft femme? Well, no 1...its really who I am...no 2...soft doesnt equal not aggressive. (I definetely dont just lay there. But then thats what people not knowledge-able about the play dynamics think of bottoms and subs. My bois never just laid there, either. They had to work for their game...) no 3...a good dominant butch kicks me into natural gear and no 4...at this point in my life, its the only kind of sex I can have now. I am so not at ease with submissive partners any longer.

however, once a Top, always a Top and when I am around bois/bottoms and subs, the Top in me comes out. I dont want to play, but its instinct now. There is so much passion between a Top and bottom...its so sacred, this bond. So I dabble in this world by coming near bois and girls...but would never take any on again. Especially now that I am in a committed relationship that does not go outside of itself in any way. I am "retired" but appreciative...

for the record..I do understand how someone misread what a pillow prince was...back in my day (I am 51) a gal was called a pillow princess in the straight world, if all she did was lie there and let the guy do all the work. It was not a complimentary name. But, the lovely thing about evolution, is that we as a community have taken slang terms that once were derogatory and used them to empower our strengths...this pillow prince is now seen as a powerful term in its own category. Another word like this is dyke. We throw that around like its nothing but there was a time when that word had huge negative value ...

:::eyes smiling::::

a good pillow prince is worth his weight in gold...to a Top who knows how to bring the best out in him....

[SyrDamon]

Just really quick; it is posts like this that keep a lot of butches in the closet on this site in regards to their sexual desires and preferences. Kudos to those of you that put it right out there that you are a bottom...that takes courage on this site any more.(y)
Seems the "norm" on this site is for the butches to be tops/doms/etc....especially when the whole bottoming thought is made out to be "wrong" by some people. Perhaps they should specify that it is wrong for them, not for all.

I don't normally even post in threads like this because of how technical people can get and how things are taken the wrong way all the time. So please take this as an opinion of a goof off on this site:D ....one that gets tired of seeing posts like the one above. Perhaps this is why I just read the threads and never post. Who knows....

Back to the topic at hand.

Had you read a little further you would have seen that I stated it was "my opinion" and that I speak only for myself and would never assume to speak for others.As far as speaking my mind and inferring that I have something to do with Butches staying in the closet well I would hope just because I replied to a thread that all butches would run not for cover.That statement offended me saying I have something to do with closet butches. I am a top, no if and or "butts" but I tell you what my woman can top me from the bottom anytime. If you are a "Butch" and insist your woman has never put you right where she wants you ya better wake up and smell the coffee cause they can and do get what they want and need. I to get tired of posts like this.
This site B-F is intended for all to speak their minds and I have never pushed my beliefs on any person. I am a champion for all and hold nothing aganist anyone. We all ROCK and we all are Equals.
:D:D

[nihilisia]

I certainly don't lay there and take it. I enjoy the reciprocating as well, especially if it's forced.

*perk*

that's hot.

but what about being forced to lay there and take it? (6)

[BCtboi]

*perk*

that's hot.

but what about being forced to lay there and take it? (6)

That's one of my favorite fantasies. :$

[nihilisia]

That's one of my favorite fantasies. :$

total hotness