View Full Version : Urgent! Virginia Butches and Femmes, Please help!
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 05:45 AM
On Monday, 31 October, 2005, my 16 year old daughter Gwendolyn ran away from the group home in which she had been living (Independance House). She was last seen at the nearby Wendy's on Broad Street on Wednesday, but we were not able to get to her before she left again.
Gwen is 5'1", weighs approximately 160 lbs, blue eyes, long hair which is currently dyed a dark chestnut auburn, her birthday is March 27, 1989, and she is 16 years old.
We have no reason to believe that she would have left the state of Virginia at this time, and there has been an APB issued, but the more time that passes, the less likely it is that we are going to find her... so i need your help!
Gwen is a special needs child, so please, PLEASE! if you think you have seen her, (her picture is in my gallery) PM me ....
~~~~~ > Gwen's picture here (http://www.butch-femme.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/108545) <~~~~~
Thank you all for taking the time to read this, and for keeping your eyes out for my Gwen,
Respectfully, Lady Phoenix
Tommi
11-08-2005, 08:19 AM
On Monday, 31 October, 2005, my 16 year old daughter Gwendolyn ran away from the group home in which she had been living (Independance House). She was last seen at the nearby Wendy's on Broad Street on Wednesday, but we were not able to get to her before she left again.
Gwen is 5'1", weighs approximately 160 lbs, blue eyes, long hair which is currently dyed a dark chestnut auburn, her birthday is March 27, 1989, and she is 16 years old.
We have no reason to believe that she would have left the state of Virginia at this time, and there has been an APB issued, but the more time that passes, the less likely it is that we are going to find her... so i need your help!
Gwen is a special needs child, so please, PLEASE! if you think you have seen her, (her picture is in my gallery) PM me ....
~~~~~ > Gwen's picture here (http://www.butch-femme.com/photos/showphoto.php/photo/108545) <~~~~~
Thank you all for taking the time to read this, and for keeping your eyes out for my Gwen,
Respectfully, Lady Phoenix
Willow, go to this site and enter the information below.
THE POLLY KLAAS FOUNDATION MISSING CHILD CENTER
If you have a missing child emergency, click here.
http://www.pollyklaas.org/
and post a "Missing Alert" here
http://angel.smartperspective.com/forkids.htm
And..my all time favorite TV Lady shows missing kids every day..Crime Victim's Hotline
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/
If you are a crime victim or someone who knows about an injustice or case that needs a spotlight, call "Nancy Grace" at 1-888-GRACE-01 or send information via e-mail to "Nancy Grace."
• National Center for Missing and Exploited Children
• BeyondMissing.com
• The Carole Sund/Carrington Memorial Reward Foundation
• RAD Kids Program
• The FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitives
• Nancy Grace on Court TV
~~~ (l) Wrapping you in the warm arms of my sunshine, and sending Gwen the love, understanding, compassion and trust that she will need to reconnect with her family (l) ~~~.
blush
11-08-2005, 08:28 AM
Oh honey....I'll keep you and Gwen in my thoughts.
lighting a candle. hugging you.
Keep us posted.
femmegirrl
11-08-2005, 08:29 AM
willow..I am so sorry, but I will keep an eye out....I work in ashland but I am in richmond at least 3-5 days a week..if there is anything I can do, just send me a message...*hugs* tonya
lighthouselover
11-08-2005, 08:37 AM
Willow,
Alot of young kids hang out in Denny's during the middle of the night. I will pass the word along to the other managers I work with and let the managers at the other store to keep their eyes open.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
hollylewya
11-08-2005, 08:39 AM
I'm truly sorry to hear you're going through this kind of pain
The Reverend
Ceilidh
11-08-2005, 09:12 AM
I'm no longer in VA, but you're in my prayers, and I'll keep bumping this up for you so people will see it. I'll pass this on to my college and friends in Richmond.
Ceilidh
11-08-2005, 09:54 AM
*bumping up the message*
FemNLeatherNLace
11-08-2005, 10:07 AM
((((willow )))) my sister....you will find her ..i know you will...my heart and spirit are with you in your search...stay strong love ... i love you...
imjustagyrl
11-08-2005, 10:11 AM
Keeping you and your daughter in my thoughts. Please keep us posted.
shadowboi
11-08-2005, 10:15 AM
*subscribing*
I'll keep you in my prayers Willow!
inkedup
11-08-2005, 10:19 AM
Willow...I will keep y'all in my thoughts and send some energy yours and Gwen's way. While I live far away from VA, I'll keep my eyes out for her. Keep pushin the police, honey...
DanzAmazon
11-08-2005, 10:24 AM
Dear Willow,
You and Gwen are in my thoughts & prayers. Sending you all kinds of love & support...
DebonairMoon
11-08-2005, 10:24 AM
(((((Willow)))))) Darlin, my thoughts are with you and Gwen. Hang in there...
*sending good energy your way*
micpfef
11-08-2005, 10:26 AM
((((((((((((((((((((Willow)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You are in my thoughts and prayers. Remember to take care of you during this stressful time.
Michele
SyrHurly
11-08-2005, 10:36 AM
Willow,
I'm so sorry to hear this. I haven't been on line in a good bit and just by chance signed on today.
I'm not sure if you have gotten any updates since your original post or if Gwens status is still missing. If you have made any flyers, I can help get them posted around Shockoe Bottom and VCU. A lot of kids hang out in the bottom and someone may have seen her. Let me know if I can help.
Blessings and warmest wishes. Syr Jess
csgoddess
11-08-2005, 10:36 AM
OMG darling! I am sending positive energy and my prayers your way sweetheart. As FemN said, stay strong we know you will find her soon.
Much love and big hugs,
CS
angelincognito
11-08-2005, 10:53 AM
Well wishes from here in Connecticut -- please keep us posted.
Hang in there -- she will be back to you soon.
:::big hug::::
:(
(((((((((((((((((Willow))))))))))))))))))))
I posted in your gallery but just wanted to say that my thoughts are with you and Gwen. Please let me know if I can help in any way. (f)
SexzyFemme
11-08-2005, 11:09 AM
(((((((WILLOW)))))))
Is there anything that us, your far-away friends can do?
(f)Andrea
TxCougar
11-08-2005, 12:03 PM
Wow,
I'm so sorry to hear this! I hope your reunion is guided by the spirits.
FemNLeatherNLace
11-08-2005, 12:17 PM
Let's bring her home !!!!!!
It brings tears to my eyes and warmth to my heart to see everyone band together...great things can be accomplished!!
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 03:23 PM
Wow! ...
i just got back from driving about and looking for Gwen ... and found... wow... so many replies ... i hadn't, truly, expected all of this...
Thank You.. all of You, each and every one for Your kind words, PM's, hugs, support, and love... and for keeping Your eyes out for my precious princess. Some of You already know what all she has been through these past years, and how much danger she is in due to her special situation... i cannot tell You how much it means to me to have returned to find all of these posts.... and hopefully, somewhere out there is young girl ... who somehow, feels all the love that you have put out for her!
i don't even know what to say now... just ... thank You .. all of You ... SO VERY VERY MUCH ....
Most Respectfully,
Syr Thomas's loving girl willow
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 03:25 PM
(((((((WILLOW)))))))
Is there anything that us, your far-away friends can do?
(f)Andrea
You just have, all of You ... for the past week the tears falling have been of fear and sadness, and many other things that go through a mothers mind at such time... but at the moment... the tears are from how much love has been expressed here...
i can't thank you enough ...
With loving respect,
Syr Thomas's loving slave willow
StudBoi
11-08-2005, 03:26 PM
Willow!!! I am sooooooo sorry! I will pray for you and your daughter! She has to come back! We'll find her!!! (((((((Willow)))))))).
Tommi
11-08-2005, 03:40 PM
Wow! ...
i just got back from driving about and looking for Gwen ... and found... wow... so many replies ... i hadn't, truly, expected all of this...
Thank You.. all of You, each and every one for Your kind words, PM's, hugs, support, and love... and for keeping Your eyes out for my precious princess. Some of You already know what all she has been through these past years, and how much danger she is in due to her special situation... i cannot tell You how much it means to me to have returned to find all of these posts.... and hopefully, somewhere out there is young girl ... who somehow, feels all the love that you have put out for her!
i don't even know what to say now... just ... thank You .. all of You ... SO VERY VERY MUCH ....
Most Respectfully,
Syr Thomas's loving girl willow
Caring for and loving each other makes our burdens lighter.....Hoping you can find some peace and rest.
FemNLeatherNLace
11-08-2005, 03:44 PM
Honey...you are so very loved...and in the interests of a child...and a special needs child none-the-less....it is in love and support and sisterhood and brotherhood ....that we do all we can...
When i went through this The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was very helpful and supportive and at times simply sat on the phone with me helping me breathe and stay calm....
i realize this is different from before...but stay strong...my daughter was found after months of looking...and darlin ..special needs or no...i have got to believe with a mother such as you...she will be ok...your tenacity, strength, wisdom, and magical sense of amazing energy is within that wonderful little girl...
Bigs group sister hugs honey...
The_Lady_Snow
11-08-2005, 03:47 PM
I hope she is found soon safe and well.. I am sorry that you are going through such pain
Tommi
11-08-2005, 03:50 PM
Honey...you are so very loved...and in the interests of a child...and a special needs child none-the-less....it is in love and support and sisterhood and brotherhood ....that we do all we can...
When i went through this The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children was very helpful and supportive and at times simply sat on the phone with me helping me breathe and stay calm....
i realize this is different from before...but stay strong...my daughter was found after months of looking...and darlin ..special needs or no...i have got to believe with a mother such as you...she will be ok...your tenacity, strength, wisdom, and magical sense of amazing energy is within that wonderful little girl...
Bigs group sister hugs honey...
Ditto FemN!...We believe that she is spreading her wings, and wanting to be grown up after recently having a part time job. This little taste of freedom and quasi- responsibility may have been too big a bite, and , she will call home to brag about her new job and wonderful revelations about life.
Staying in the now, praying for the tomorrow and the peace and love that surrounds those that beleive.
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 05:37 PM
Thank you for calling and letting me know that you are okay.
All I have left to say is that I love you.
Mom
FemNLeatherNLace
11-08-2005, 05:39 PM
Thank you for calling and letting me know that you are okay.
All I have left to say is that I love you.
Mom
See....smiling...im so happy babe....(l)
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 05:49 PM
To the person with whom Gwen is staying . I can offer proof of her age and the fact that she is still a juvenile. She is in violation of her probation and you are harboring a juvenile who is wanted by the police. Please take into consideration that Gwen is dependant upon medications, has been suicidal and is a cutter, you will be held responsible as well for her well being. Please contact me via im for phone numbers.
Respectfully...
Gwen's mother.
MzMic
11-08-2005, 05:55 PM
{{{{{{{ Willow }}}}}}}} and {{{{{{{{{{{ Gwen }}}}}}}}}}}}}
I am holding you very, very much in my thoughts and prayers. I'm glad that you heard from Gwen ~ and pray that she is back in your arms soon. You are much loved here Willow, and so I know that there is a surge of energy heading toward you and your family.
Eileen
SCaliFemme
11-08-2005, 05:59 PM
Willow,
May the person who has Gwen, hurry and give her up. Otherwise, I feel sorry for them........... I'm sure you will give them everything they deserve with everything you have...............
Guess that isn't so peaceful, but was just thinking about how a mama bear protects her cub.
Now, back to the peaceful thoughts..............
May the Goddess watch over the two of you during this trying time.
May Gwen realize that you understand how important it is to spread her wings, but only during certain conditions.............
May your body be able to handle this stress.................
Ang and I are sending you loads of hugs..............
~Margo
csgoddess
11-08-2005, 06:03 PM
Thank you for calling and letting me know that you are okay.
All I have left to say is that I love you.
Mom
We love her and we love you too.
-CS
TxCougar
11-08-2005, 06:30 PM
I am sooo pulling for you Willow.
Please take care of yourself during this time.({)
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 07:06 PM
*smiling softly* Thanks Tex... but this time around it's not me so much i am worrying about... my mother is up in years.. and this is taking a hard toll on her
willow
citybutch
11-08-2005, 08:03 PM
((((((Willow))))))))....I will see what I can do to help.
FemNLeatherNLace
11-08-2005, 08:47 PM
(((((willow)))))....get some rest love...all will be fine....didn't i tell ya you'd find her...now you need rest ....i love you darlin...and you know a large sisterhood and brotherhood have you in their prayers and are here for you...
your sister(l)
blk3953
11-08-2005, 08:55 PM
{{{{{{{ (f) Willow & family (f) }}}}}}}
my goodness, m'dear! i'm sorry that you've been going through such a trying time. i'm glad that Gwen has contacted you, and i'm sending energy for a peaceful reunion and positive outcome for this situation. (}) (k)
LadyPhoenix
11-08-2005, 09:08 PM
(((((willow)))))....get some rest love...all will be fine....didn't i tell ya you'd find her...now you need rest ....i love you darlin...and you know a large sisterhood and brotherhood have you in their prayers and are here for you...
your sister(l)
No rest for the wikkid my precious sister... i've spent the past 7 nights driving around Richmond looking for my wayward wanderer.... tonite ... i have an English Exam and a chem test due in the morning ... both of which now require my attention ... things are quieting here a bit... and we will resume our efforts in the morning...
i can't say how grateful i am to know that she is, as of this evening, alive and well and safe ... and i am so GRATEFUL to every single person here... all of you ... who have given your love, support, phone calls friendship ... offers to help in the search ...
my mother, too, i know is grateful,.. she has sounded so weak and small this past week ... my son ... hasn't gotten any more sleep than i have ... for ... in between a 19 credit course load he too has been out every night searching ...
now ... on to my English Paper.. and my chem homework ...
i adore and love You all .. thank You SO MUCH ... there are no words to express just how grateful i am ...
with MUCH respect and love,
Syr Thomas's slave willow... Gwen's mom ... Mom's daughter... Mother of all Chaos
Daddy J
11-08-2005, 10:43 PM
OH Willow I'm so sorry to hear about Gwen.
Please PM if you want to talk
My prayers are with you in this long night ahead.
TopDadddy
11-08-2005, 10:49 PM
Willow, I'm thankful to hear that you heard from Gwen... I'm not a mom, so I can only imagine what it's been like for you... Tonight I light a candle with hopes that she will be back home where she'll be safe before long... Meanwhile, it must be a huge relief for you just having heard from her.
Best wishes for a safe journey back home, Gwen.
~TD~
Tommi
11-09-2005, 12:48 AM
Gwen, stay in touch, and if you need a way back home, PM me and it will happen. Your Mother has talked about nothing but you, and told me how much she misses you and how very glad she was to hear from you. Home is Just a phone call away.
Tommi
LadyPhoenix
11-09-2005, 01:02 AM
Dearest All,
Gwen did contact me tonight and i now know at least that she is alive and well, as a week had gone by and the fears turned to nightmares... and Taylor Behl started to float around in the corners of my mind...
Thank you, all of you for your kind support and help in making her aware that she is loved and missed, and very much wanted though she may not always feel so.... her brother Random was greatly relieved to hear of her status as was my mother,...
Daddy, thank You Syr... i love You
Syr Thomas's loving slave willow... now writing English papers at 3 am
Ceilidh
11-09-2005, 01:12 AM
Willow,
I keep trying to find the right words. It's not going to happen, so all I can say is this: you're in my thoughts and prayers, as is Gwen. My best wishes go to you and your family.
espresso
11-09-2005, 02:13 AM
LadyPhoenix I'm glad your daughter is doing fine. She's a beautiful young lady from the picture your showed! My heart goes out to you on all the worrying you went through.
LadyPhoenix
11-09-2005, 02:19 AM
Willow,
I keep trying to find the right words. It's not going to happen, so all I can say is this: you're in my thoughts and prayers, as is Gwen. My best wishes go to you and your family.
Ceilidh, those are all the words that are needed ... for truly... it's not the words that matter now ... but the gentle, loving, positive energy that is lifted up which will bring Gwen safely home to us, unharmed, and ready to start again!
Thank you espresso, for your kind wishes!
Most respectfully,
slave willow
MzMic
11-09-2005, 04:44 AM
....Checking on you and Gwen before I leave for work this morning....carrying you in my thoughts throughtout the day.......
LadyPhoenix
11-09-2005, 05:17 AM
There is someone here... who offered so much of her time yesterday... and has asked that i don't mention her name... or say anything about her efforts... but i feel that i have to...
She gave of herself in the most extraordinary manner, spending hours of her time researching IP addresses and helping me to look for Gwen, it wasn't until after hours of her help and some small successes, that she informed me that she had just had surgery that day....
so ... You know who you are... and you know too, that all i can do is thank you... but there are not enough words to express just HOW grateful i am to you... please know that you are a beautiful and brightly blessed lady ... who has earned my deepest respect, friendship and loyalty even before this ... and now i am ... eternally in your debt my sweet friend... Thank you ... from the bottom of my heart... from the bottoms of my families hearts... for doing more than your part in trying to help!!
Respectfully, with much gratitude and Love from both Daddy and me,
slave willow
The_Lady_Snow
11-09-2005, 05:19 AM
Checking on Mom and Gwen after working glad she is harbored somewhere and pray that she returns home
willow.. I am a CFS bearer and I know what stress does to Fybro.. Please I know this is hard but please do not let the stress flare your body into a crazy state... Take some time out and just find a way to relax your body and mind you can't take care of anything if you are not well yourself..
Best wishes,
Snow
Redhead
11-09-2005, 10:48 AM
i will keep you both in my prayers and thoughts, i wish there was more i could do to help, it must be very hard, i have a 19 yr old daughter and i just cant imagine what you must be going through. (((((Lady))))))
lighthouselover
11-09-2005, 11:29 AM
Thank you for calling and letting me know that you are okay.
All I have left to say is that I love you.
Mom
Willow,
I was checking in to find out the status and was quite relieved to see this. I'm so glad that you now at least know that she is ok. Now you can begin to breathe again. If you ever need anything, just let me know. I'm less than an hour away. Take good care of yourself and your family.
CuddleBug
11-09-2005, 05:44 PM
I am Here if you need the help and willing to do what I can... just ask or if you need just lean. Pm for contact info darlin... I am subscribing to keep a watch on the status.
~ ME
1PlayfulFemme
11-09-2005, 06:04 PM
{{{{{{{{{{ Willow }}}}}}}}}}}} Sweet, sweet woman. I am so saddened to read what you have been through - I simply pray for a quick return. I am thankful she is safe - and that your mind is eased some. Will be sending much energy out for a fast and happy trip home. I'm sorry I've not been around much - but if you EVER need me, you know how to find me darlin...
*many hugs and much love*
LadyPhoenix
11-10-2005, 05:41 AM
Dearest All,
Thank You ... so much for Your kind support. You are all too kind and generous with kind words, love and offers of help.
Gwen, with the help of an adult... made her way westward on the first of November, and arrived in California sometime around the 4th. She was last seen in the San Diego area, although she has since left the adult who she was with after they saw this thread and confronted her about her age.
The Southern CA Butches and Femmes have been made aware of her status and all are keeping their eyes out for her... Sadly, i doubt, since she has left this members home, that she has access to a computer and can read this.... but... if somehow she can ::
Gwen ... if You need ANYTHING... the person you were with can put you in touch with Tommi... Also, there is a community center which is safe for you to go to:
Centre Street - Hillcrest
3909 Centre Street
San Diego, CA 92103
Phone: 619-692-2077
Hang in there kiddo... believe it or not... i DO know... and although i know you don't feel it... You are SO Loved... and we do miss you ... and you are needed here.... i do'nt have your answers honey,.... but i do love you... and am worried sick for you...
Again, my heartfelt gratitude to each of you... thank you so much!!
Respectfully, willow
1PlayfulFemme
11-10-2005, 08:16 AM
*more hugs* And a bump to this thread! I hope your little one return soons Willow - I know 16 isn't so little to them...but...I can just see that she's your baby...
Tommi
11-10-2005, 08:24 AM
*more hugs* And a bump to this thread! I hope your little one return soons Willow - I know 16 isn't so little to them...but...I can just see that she's your baby...
(f) (((((((((( (l) (((((((((All of YOU)))))))))))))) (l) ))))))))))))
It helps to know that the "family" is sending out their prayers , hugs and positive energy to Gwen and willow(f)
Thanks ...and thanks for the bumps .. (l) ...
Sincerely, Tommi
PS:
My daughter is now 25, married, and has a 1 and a 3 year old..and ..she is still my (a) baby...
LadyPhoenix
11-10-2005, 08:32 AM
Thank you so much 1PlayfulFemme! .. You don't know how much it means to me... knowing that you have had such a rough journey this past year yourself... for you to be sharing your gentle healing energies ... so many have given so selflessly...
I fear that Gwen may never know just how much i love her... or how much she is loved and by how many people... her friend Kendra told me today ... that Gwen is her favorite person... i know why ... Gwen is tender and gentle and loving... she has a heart of gold... even if it is a heart which hurts so much right now...
the support here which has been offered to Gwen ... to me ... to Daddy has been nothing less than amazing... i am awed...
but it's not about me... there are things in this world worse than death ... which when one is young.. they perceive themselves to be invincible to...
Gwen hurts so much right now... she has been through more in the past 6 years than most people go through in an entire lifetime... and those things which are worse than death ... tend to seek young people such as Gwen .. who have already been violated by life itself... and are easy prey to such things... as i told my friend just now... my feet are concrete... my bones steel beams... i can hold up through anything... as long as i know.... for a fact ... that those worse than death things... are not stalking my daughter... that they will not harm her... or touch her... or even come near to her...
Pray please... any and all of You who will ... for Gwen ... she is ... such a beautiful young person with so much to offer this world... but she has to get through this trial first it seems... so please... don't worry for me... or for Tommi ... but i beg You .. ALL of you .., send your prayers and love upwards ... to Gwen ...
Thank You ... Brightest Blessings
with much respect,
willow aching
1PlayfulFemme
11-10-2005, 06:12 PM
{{{{{{{{{{{ Tommi }}}}}}}}}}} *Smiling* That's what family does, isn't it?? Band together during the hard times, laugh together during the good times, call on each other when times are rough? :) Your Lady is well loved...and even tho I haven't had the distinct pleasure of meeting you, I can see the wonderful influence your affection has had on our darling Willow...I wish you the happiest of endings..with Gwen now..and ultimately, in life.
{{{{{{{{{ Willow }}}}}}}}}}} Sweet one, there truly are no words darlin. My energies and prayers will continue to go out to Gwen...even upon her safe return home. I know you are an excellent mother, nuturer, care giver, and friend. You have strength that many can not even contemplate...but even the strong occasionally need a shoulder...you know mine are strong and available any time you need them!! :) *wiping that tear softly* Call on me if I can do anything at all...
Shandrum
11-10-2005, 10:05 PM
If Gwen is traveling north I am up in Seattle and have friends in Oregon who could intercede if Gwen surfaces in either State.
Gwen, if you are reading this and end up anywhere near Washington or Oregon call 206-461-3222. This is the crisis clinic. Tell them to contact Maureen with Community Psychiatric Clinic after hours team. Tell them I told you to. They will get in touch with me and we can help you get home.
MaineButch
11-11-2005, 05:03 AM
Ms Willow
I've said before and I'll say it again.......I'm sending your whole family white, positive light during your time of need. I'm happy to see so many wonderful people willing to help out any way possiable. I myself wished I could do something........other than praying for a safe return.
I'll be keeping an eye on this post. I hope your daughter does have a chance to read this.....maybe then she will understand how much you care for her and want her back..........<smile> I know sometimes being a teen-ager ya think the whole world is against you. In times like these.......it's awsum to see the whole community here banding together.
Gwen.....I hope your ok...and come back soon.......:)
MB
The_Lady_Snow
11-11-2005, 05:29 AM
I am disgusted that this 16 year old child is being harbored by some adult and not being returned to her family.. I am a bit frustrated since Ms willow has been directing comments to her daughter on here as if she could read them.. I am praying that NO ONE in this community would be harboring a special needs child and NOT guiding her home to her mother who I am sure is about sick with this constant worry.. It makes Me sick that any member on here would take the liberties with a 16 year old child it is sick and that person as far as I am concerned should be incarcerated..
I hope this baby girl finds her way home to her mother soon and that who ever this sicko is, who helped Gwen find her way cross country pays for such a disgusting act.. Willow I pray this does not take toll on your health and that your baby comes home soon..
Snow
who is very angry that a 16 year old is on this site and that someone took advantage of this child
jennyk_x3
11-11-2005, 05:41 AM
Wow, I'm really at a loss for words here other than I too will keep you, Gwen, and Tommi in my thoughts and prayers. I've been rather busy lately and had no idea this had happened. :( ((((( HUGS )))))
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 05:57 AM
Dearest All,
Again i come, overwhelmed at this outpouring of love and support.... Gwen was yes, assisted by an adult in going to california, someone she met here... and was able to convince she was 18 ... but once the person read my posts they confronted Gwen about her age, and told her that she couldn't stay with them anymore.... Gwen left and is now on the streets of San Diego somewhere.... alone, with no money or other means to take care of herself. I continue to post here TO Gwen ... in hopes that she will find her way into a library or cyber cafe or charm someone else and be able to use a computer... because ... it is the only hope i have for communicating with her right now. I know that at some point in the past few months this person bought, and sent Gwen a cell phone... but i don't know if Gwen has it with her, nor do i know the number and still yet, if she has the means to charge it. Gwen is an extremely intelligent young lady and i am trusting that she is well enough where ever she may be... to be able to get to a computer... and to be able to read these posts even if she choses not to respond to them right now .... they allow me to tell her what i need for her to *hear* most ..... that i love her... that i miss her.... that i understand her need for independence but that there are better ways to achieve that.... that we need her here... and that she is never alone ... even 3000 miles away there are people who want to help her... who care deeply for her... who love her unconditionally because they know that she is the beautiful young lady that she is ... and that she can turn to us and to them .... any time she needs something ....
thank You all so much ... i know that ... reading some of these things has been difficult for You ... it took me quite a while to be able to digest these things too .... Your support, love and encouragement have been unimaginably overwhelming. I am so grateful.... i know that with all this positive energy being sent out ... my daughter will be kept safe where ever she may have made her way to .... and if she has the ability to use a computer... then i know too, that she has been reading and sees how much love there is ... how many people are concerned and caring for her... and she will not feel so alone... so i am more grateful to You than words can even begin to say ... i am truly humbled by this experience... i never once imagined that there would be so great a response... with so many offers to be of help to Gwen ... and each one of them so sincere and heartfelt...
may your Creators bless you... all of You ... for you are amazing and beautiful people... and again i am truly humbled and awed... and in your debt with my gratitude.
Respectfully,
Gwen's mom, willow
Tommi
11-11-2005, 06:22 AM
"The San Diego Lesbian , Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Community Center"
(619) 692-2077
Good Morning and thanks for the bump. Keep up the good work friends.
Just a quick note about GWEN
Sending thoughts of power, love, prayer, and support from all of us means so much. I beleive, we can change things. I believe Gwen can find her way home. I believe that Gwen will reach out to those she trusts. In the blink of an eye she can make a collect call, send a PM to us, send an email, or chat with someone, let someone know that she is okay, and discuss what she needs and wants.
I live just an hour north of San Diego and I am familiar with a great group of B-F.com folks in San Diego. I am sure that we can help her out in any way she needs, to get her to a safe place, and to help her let her Mom, Gramma and Random just know how she is doing.
I believe that our diverse on-line community of loving and understanding people will send a huge hug her way...wishes that she will get to a safe place where she will not have to be afraid, alone, hungry or need for anything.
San Diego has many resourses that I hope Gwen has found. From what I have been told, She is very bright, energetic and resourceful...One place for her to start would be letting the San Diego Police know she is okay by calling 911.
Since we belive her to be on the streets, unless she has been befriended by someone in the community where she arrived, there is a great gay community center nearby for her to get some assistance.
"The San Diego Lesbian , Gay, Bisexual, Transgender, Community Center" is not far from where she was abandoned. Called "The Center" info is:
General Contact Information
The Main Center
(619) 692-2077
The Hillcrest Youth Center
(619) 497-2920
Mental Health Services
(619) 260-6380
Heidorn Lifeline Crisis & Suicide:
(858) 212-LIFE (5433)
General E-mail:
centerinfo@thecentersd.org
Web Site Questions & Suggestions:
webmaster@thecentersd.org
Click here for Center addresses and hours of operation. http://www.thecentersd.org/centerlocations.asp
Centre Street - Hillcrest
3909 Centre Street
San Diego, CA 92103
Hours of Operation:
Monday - Friday 9am-10pm
Saturday 9am-7pm
Mailing:
P.O. Box 3357
San Diego, CA 92163
Phone: 619-692-2077
Fax: 619-260-3092
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((GWEN))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
MaineButch
11-11-2005, 06:48 AM
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sunny-dayze
11-11-2005, 07:37 AM
**SECOND BUMP**
Willow, i am curious.. if the person who brought Gwen out to california, read this thread and kicked her out, isn't that grounds (legally) for indargerment of a minor? Whoever that person is, once they found out and told Gwen to leave her home, and kicked her out on the street.. I am not sure, but it would seem, as soon as this person took responisbility and posession of Gwen, that she was legally responsible for Gwen. I think there is a clause in the Legal system about this.. (For those who are more Legal minded and know the Law) can you help out here?
I am not sure about california laws. but i bet you a banana, that there is a loop-hole somewhere in the law that would make this person responsible and could get arrested for this action.
What i am appualled at is the idea that once this Person KNEW Gwen was only 16, she fricken kicked her out on the streets, instead of getting incontact with you to get her home. Or better Yet, called the Authorities and explained the situation to them and had them take over from there.
Also, why hasn't this person given you the phone number to that cell phone, and why hasn't this person tried in all their power to recover Gwen and call the police to get this resolved?? How did you find out that Gwen has/had a cell phone? How did you find out that Gwen had gone to cali to be with this person in the first place? I would make sure that all these facts were documented and dated and who said what at what time. Record all calls emails, pvt messgaes/ IM's and communication about this.
I would be going after the person who brought her to cali.. Yes, they were not aware of her real age, but once made aware, they could have taken other measures to get Gwen in the right hands and not put out in the street. BAD FLUCKING CHOICE!!!!
I am with Ms Lady Snow, I am pissed!!!I can appreacite all the loves and hugs and good vibes being sent, but honestly, i think some get down to brass tactics and see what the law can do about this is VERY much needed. This person was irresponsible and needs to be delt with!!! What name was Gwen using in this site, also, when was her last ISP recorded? Can it be cross referenced?
All these things play a very important part in making sure this does not happen like this again!! I am just not seeing the connection of the communication that you are recieving and yet, this person is not being held responisible for their more recent actions (IE: kicking Gwen to the streets with no money or shelter). How did you find out that she was kicked out? How did you find out that this person is 47? Where did all this information come from? I would report all this info so fast it would make heads spin!!! Something is missing in this (or the system) and that is what disturbs me.
If Gwens' butch-femme nicname is known in here and she comes online to this site, can her ISP get recorded by the authorities and flagged For her whereabouts? It seems more can be done then what's being done, or perhaps this is all being done and i am just in the dark. Who knows!!
Was the Local PD contacted and advised for a missing child? If so, did they send it to the News stations? We have looked and looked for it to be announced and nothing has been shown yet. I don;t understand why that had not happened. That would be a HUGE problem in our media system and should be addressed as well.
These are all things i would be making a list of and getting on it!! I know with your everyday life with school and all that time is a factor for you, however... i would MAKE time to get these pieces of missing information and fact seeking inquiries done. I would do everything in my (motherhood) power to make sure i didn't miss one single area to find my daughter.
COnsider this my compassion towards this problem, as it is a problem and things are just not being done (as far as i can tell). THAT is what i am so pissed about. How this person in california is not being charged, all these things i would be taking extra time to make sure they were done.
((((((((((((willow))))))))))))) Get this person arrested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do everything in your human power to make it happen!!!!!!!!!!
As a mother who would go out of her way to make sure this fuck was put behind bars.. I know my post does not seem so compassionate and i am not doing the nicey nicey hugs and loves, but to be honest, it's the most compassionate i can do towards this situation, Getting this person put away for their actions and the lack of actions!!! THAT'S what needs to be done as well as get Gwen home.. perhaps if some of these things were known and reported and worked out by an ivestigator, Gwens whereabouts will be revealed!!!!
DO you have an investigator on this case? Are they working closely with the california authorities? She IS a minor and at this point, this still should be broadcasted as loud as it can be.. I would be filling these pages up with the info i had and making sure that it was out there for EVERYONE to read and perhaps in that someone might be able to catch on to legal ideas and thoughts of what can be done.
Best wishes to you both Willow, Gwen is the one i really have my heart out to right now!!! I would do what i can to help you for the sake of Gwen and getting her back to a safe place with her meds. BTW, has the police been out to this persons house in California and inquired about this? I would be on that like stink on poop!!!
Hugs to you from both of us!!
annie and Jess
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 07:41 AM
Dear all,
Thank you for your patience, for now, having no other way to reach out to Gwen but knowing too that she may have access to this site .... i am leaving my messages to her here...
Gwen honey, i left messages for you at 1-800 RUNAWAY
mom
leenuttykoop
11-11-2005, 08:42 AM
Gwen if your reading this and have made it to Los Angeles here is a safe place to go:
Jeff Griffith Youth Center
We also operate a youth center, specifically for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender and questioning young people (15-23), that offers hot meals, showers, clothes, counseling, and much more.
[b]Jeff Griffith Youth Center Map (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=7051+Santa+Monica+Boulevard,+los+angeles,+ca&hl=en)
7051 Santa Monica Boulevard
Los Angeles, CA 90038
323-993-7501
If here ask for Adrian, a wonderful friend of mine, and for her to get a hold of Koop, me. We can get you hooked up with Tommi and home!
you can also go to or call
The Village at Ed Gould PlazaMap (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=1125+N.+McCadden+Place,+los+angeles,+ca+90028&spn=0.025424,0.039669&hl=en)
(Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center)
1125 N. McCadden Place
Los Angeles, CA 90038
Hours:
Tuesday - Friday 6 pm - 9 pm
Saturday 9 am - 5 pm
Sunday & Monday Closed
323-860-7302
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 09:42 AM
i have received so MANY offers for help i can't even begin to thank each of you privately as i had hoped.... but i am truly grateful from the bottom of my heart for everything which is being done for my Gwendolyn.
Some of you have approached me more privately and said that you wished to be doing something "more" but since there is little else to be done but pray and keep your eyes open for the time being i haven't been able to ask for further help. For those of you, especially in the California/Arizona/Nevada/Oregon/Washington State areas... but any and all who are in the position to do so ... and who truly wish to ... i have a flyer which can be printed and copied and put out.... around bus stations, all night diner type places, truck stops etc....
again, i can't ask any of You to do this since it can be a costly enterprise and my own finances are limited right now .... but for those of you who wish... i can't thank you enough ... if you DO want the flyer, please email me with "Gwen" in the subject line at @ Chaos_Mom@verizon.net (Chaos_Mom@verizon.net)
Again... i thank all of You for your prayers, your gentle encouragement, your tender loving support and your outpouring of love for my daughter, i can't begin to tell you how grateful i am for you ...
Thank You ... again and again!
Respectfully,
willow
Ceilidh
11-11-2005, 10:21 AM
Pray please... any and all of You who will ... for Gwen ... she is ... such a beautiful young person with so much to offer this world... but she has to get through this trial first it seems... so please... don't worry for me... or for Tommi ... but i beg You .. ALL of you .., send your prayers and love upwards ... to Gwen ...
Willow,
Do know that you, and Tommi, and Gwen, and even the person who took her (in my mind, this does count as a kidnapping) are in my prayers. Prayers are like love; sharing them never diminishes them, only multiplies them exponentially. As you know, I've a problem finding words at times, so I'm borrowing these from Robert Frost.
O Star (the fairest one in sight),
We grant your loftiness the right
To some obscurity of cloud-
It will not do to say of night,
Since dark is what brings out your light.
Some mystery becomes the proud.
But to be wholly taciturn
In your reserve is not allowed.
Say something to us we can learn
By heart and when alone repeat.
Say something! And it says "I burn."
But say with what degree of heat.
Talk Fahrenheit, talk Centigrade.
Use language we can comprehend.
Tell us what elements you blend.
It gives us strangely little aid,
But does tell something in the end.
And steadfast as Keats' Eremite,
Not even stooping from its sphere,
It asks a little of us here.
It asks of us a certain height,
So when at times the mob is swayed
To carry praise or blame too far,
We may choose something like a star
To stay our minds on and be staid.
I respect and admire your strength and steadfastness, and I hope your light will return home to you.
with aloha,
Ceil
The_Lady_Snow
11-11-2005, 11:55 AM
**SECOND BUMP**
Willow, i am curious.. if the person who brought Gwen out to california, read this thread and kicked her out, isn't that grounds (legally) for indargerment of a minor? Whoever that person is, once they found out and told Gwen to leave her home, and kicked her out on the street.. I am not sure, but it would seem, as soon as this person took responisbility and posession of Gwen, that she was legally responsible for Gwen. I think there is a clause in the Legal system about this.. (For those who are more Legal minded and know the Law) can you help out here?
I am not sure about california laws. but i bet you a banana, that there is a loop-hole somewhere in the law that would make this person responsible and could get arrested for this action.
What i am appualled at is the idea that once this Person KNEW Gwen was only 16, she fricken kicked her out on the streets, instead of getting incontact with you to get her home. Or better Yet, called the Authorities and explained the situation to them and had them take over from there.
Also, why hasn't this person given you the phone number to that cell phone, and why hasn't this person tried in all their power to recover Gwen and call the police to get this resolved?? How did you find out that Gwen has/had a cell phone? How did you find out that Gwen had gone to cali to be with this person in the first place? I would make sure that all these facts were documented and dated and who said what at what time. Record all calls emails, pvt messgaes/ IM's and communication about this.
I would be going after the person who brought her to cali.. Yes, they were not aware of her real age, but once made aware, they could have taken other measures to get Gwen in the right hands and not put out in the street. BAD FLUCKING CHOICE!!!!
I am with Ms Lady Snow, I am pissed!!!I can appreacite all the loves and hugs and good vibes being sent, but honestly, i think some get down to brass tactics and see what the law can do about this is VERY much needed. This person was irresponsible and needs to be delt with!!! What name was Gwen using in this site, also, when was her last ISP recorded? Can it be cross referenced?
All these things play a very important part in making sure this does not happen like this again!! I am just not seeing the connection of the communication that you are recieving and yet, this person is not being held responisible for their more recent actions (IE: kicking Gwen to the streets with no money or shelter). How did you find out that she was kicked out? How did you find out that this person is 47? Where did all this information come from? I would report all this info so fast it would make heads spin!!! Something is missing in this (or the system) and that is what disturbs me.
If Gwens' butch-femme nicname is known in here and she comes online to this site, can her ISP get recorded by the authorities and flagged For her whereabouts? It seems more can be done then what's being done, or perhaps this is all being done and i am just in the dark. Who knows!!
Was the Local PD contacted and advised for a missing child? If so, did they send it to the News stations? We have looked and looked for it to be announced and nothing has been shown yet. I don;t understand why that had not happened. That would be a HUGE problem in our media system and should be addressed as well.
These are all things i would be making a list of and getting on it!! I know with your everyday life with school and all that time is a factor for you, however... i would MAKE time to get these pieces of missing information and fact seeking inquiries done. I would do everything in my (motherhood) power to make sure i didn't miss one single area to find my daughter.
COnsider this my compassion towards this problem, as it is a problem and things are just not being done (as far as i can tell). THAT is what i am so pissed about. How this person in california is not being charged, all these things i would be taking extra time to make sure they were done.
((((((((((((willow))))))))))))) Get this person arrested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Do everything in your human power to make it happen!!!!!!!!!!
As a mother who would go out of her way to make sure this fuck was put behind bars.. I know my post does not seem so compassionate and i am not doing the nicey nicey hugs and loves, but to be honest, it's the most compassionate i can do towards this situation, Getting this person put away for their actions and the lack of actions!!! THAT'S what needs to be done as well as get Gwen home.. perhaps if some of these things were known and reported and worked out by an ivestigator, Gwens whereabouts will be revealed!!!!
DO you have an investigator on this case? Are they working closely with the california authorities? She IS a minor and at this point, this still should be broadcasted as loud as it can be.. I would be filling these pages up with the info i had and making sure that it was out there for EVERYONE to read and perhaps in that someone might be able to catch on to legal ideas and thoughts of what can be done.
Best wishes to you both Willow, Gwen is the one i really have my heart out to right now!!! I would do what i can to help you for the sake of Gwen and getting her back to a safe place with her meds. BTW, has the police been out to this persons house in California and inquired about this? I would be on that like stink on poop!!!
Hugs to you from both of us!!
annie and Jess
Yanno I was going to open that can of worms but I had to sit on it before I opened My childrens advocate briefcase... If this person took it upon themselves to do such, then they SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!! Why is this 16 year old baby on here? I thought there were age stipulations for this sight?? What kind of sicko dumps a kid on the street out of panic?? Can Rhon and Chris do something about this nut who has let this girl out on the streets and now put her in more danger... I am still pissed and I hope she comes home soon and finds a safe harbor while in San Diego....
Ceilidh
11-11-2005, 12:08 PM
Alrighty, as it happens, I'm in agreement with both of you. However...
I also think that this person should be out searching the streets for her day and night to get her back to her mother. I will keep this person in my prayers too. Can't hurt, can it?
The_Lady_Snow
11-11-2005, 12:21 PM
Well yanno I am all about empathy but I am also a mother..... This is a woman and to think that a woman *who btw is supposed to have some kind of maternal instinct* would set this young person out into the streets.. So she finds out Ms Gwen is 16 call the damn police and if you are innocent of any wrong doing hand them your computer and let them see you are.. BUT do not let this child out of your sight in a strange city CROSS COUNTRY this child is on the opposite end of the country from where she is originally from... I am livid pissed and disgusted as mother.. My words are coming from My motherly instincts..Empathy?? OH FUCK NO..... My next trip would be to whip this persons ass for jeopardizing what God Himself has graced Me with the gift of a child....
Ceilidh
11-11-2005, 12:24 PM
Can't blame you a bit for that response.
aprettydress
11-11-2005, 12:40 PM
i'm trying real hard to not say a word...but we all know how good i am at that.
this entire situation is outrageous.
my dog, let alone my daughter, goes missing--and i'm calling actual authorities that can be of assistance.
thats all i'm saying.
dress
Tommi
11-11-2005, 12:45 PM
So good to see the communtiy support and the
LOVE. (l) .and..Understanding....and passion we all feel as consenting adults....
Is it not great that we can communicate in a world that is topsy turvy.
(l) You have lots of healthy love out there ((((((((((Gwen)))))))
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 12:48 PM
i'm trying real hard to not say a word...but we all know how good i am at that.
this entire situation is outrageous.
my dog, let alone my daughter, goes missing--and i'm calling actual authorities that can be of assistance.
thats all i'm saying.
dress
I am so overwhelmed by everyone's kind support ... i can't thank you enough ... so far:
the police from all involved jurisdictions and the FBI are active in this case... the media stations, Television and radio, as well as all the community centers that i know of have been notified... emails have been sent to Court TV As well since DAddi says that they often showcase missing children... if anyone has further suggestions... i would greatly appreciate it ...
Also ... for all of you who have emailed requesting the flyers that were made up ... THANK YOU a thousand times over...
Respectfully, willow
FemNLeatherNLace
11-11-2005, 12:53 PM
So..i was thinkin' Princess Gwen....
when ya come home...we definitely gotta make a date for you and your mom to come out to Cali so we can hang...i have been dyin' to take my daughters (one lives in a group home..but we bust her out on weekends) to LA and do the whole Hollywood, Hard Rock Cafe ..get crazy in LA thang......and ya know while we are there (we could take your mom to some of the cool shops and spiff up her wardrobe :| )....and see what kind of craziness we could get into...im thinkin..it'd be fun to be in the audience in one of those wild talk shows...ok im a rebel like that...and dancing WOOT..your mom can get pretty jiggy on the dance floor but i'm thinkin we could teach her some new updated moves;) ....and then dress up crazy and walk thru Hollywood...makeup crazy names for ourselves and fake accents...(6) anyways..lemme know darlin...(l)
Aunt FemN (l)
p.s.
(btw ... you ever wanna talk and yes you can bitch to me about anything...my kids say i'm pretty kewl...my email is sultrysumrnites@yahoo.com (sultrysumrnites@yahoo.com))
Tommi
11-11-2005, 12:54 PM
Well yanno I am all about empathy but I am also a mother..... This is a woman and to think that a woman *who btw is supposed to have some kind of maternal instinct* would set this young person out into the streets.. So she finds out Ms Gwen is 16 call the damn police and if you are innocent of any wrong doing hand them your computer and let them see you are.. BUT do not let this child out of your sight in a strange city CROSS COUNTRY this child is on the opposite end of the country from where she is originally from... I am livid pissed and disgusted as mother.. My words are coming from My motherly instincts..Empathy?? OH FUCK NO..... My next trip would be to whip this persons ass for jeopardizing what God Himself has graced Me with the gift of a child....
;) *********************
The_Lady_Snow
11-11-2005, 12:59 PM
I am so overwhelmed by everyone's kind support ... i can't thank you enough ... so far:
the police from all involved jurisdictions and the FBI are active in this case... the media stations, Television and radio, as well as all the community centers that i know of have been notified... emails have been sent to Court TV As well since DAddi says that they often showcase missing children... if anyone has further suggestions... i would greatly appreciate it ...
Also ... for all of you who have emailed requesting the flyers that were made up ... THANK YOU a thousand times over...
Respectfully, willow
If money is an issue I am willing to give some so you can fly San Diego not to party harty with the child but to get her home, some therapy and the blanket of warmth one gets from ones adoring parent...
If money is an issue I am willing to give some so you can fly San Diego not to party harty with the child but to get her home, some therapy and the blanket of warmth one gets from ones adoring parent...
From what I recall from L. Phoenix's posts in other child centered threads here, her daughter, Gwen, who L. Phoenix has stated is diagnosed with a personality disorder, has a tendency to runaway from group homes and other facilities she has resided in for years.
Since L. Phoenix states she no longer has custody of the child, the State does, communication about where the child is, when the child is located, and often times, when the child is simply moved from one facility to another, is not often conveyed to the mother, or so she advised.
I do know that the State or Local Departments of Social Services will send staff, by air, or car, to collect children and return them to facilities when, as runaways, they have been located. With law-enforcement invovled, amber-alerts, etc. it seldom is a grass-roots project to return children to their group-homes.
My experience in child welfare tells me that information, i.e. the facts, about such dramatic events as we have unfolding here, are the key to gaining understanding about what is really happening.
All the very best to those involved.
M.
Tommi
11-11-2005, 02:37 PM
From what I recall from L. Phoenix's posts in other child centered threads here, her daughter, Gwen, who L. Phoenix has stated is diagnosed with a personality disorder, has a tendency to runaway from group homes and other facilities she has resided in for years.
Since L. Phoenix states she no longer has custody of the child, the State does, communication about where the child is, when the child is located, and often times, when the child is simply moved from one facility to another, is not often conveyed to the mother, or so she advised.
I do know that the State or Local Departments of Social Services will send staff, by air, or car, to collect children and return them to facilities when, as runaways, they have been located. With law-enforcement invovled, amber-alerts, etc. it seldom is a grass-roots project to return children to their group-homes.
My experience in child welfare tells me that information, i.e. the facts, about such dramatic events as we have unfolding here, are the key to gaining understanding about what is really happening.
All the very best to those involved.
M.
(f) Thanks for the quality input (f) and ......the ....1:30 PM PST..bump.
i get it. this is the national center for exploited children.
sunny-dayze
11-11-2005, 05:18 PM
i get it. this is the national center for exploited children.
Perhaps, and could you think of a better place for this to be?? Think about it
there are people willing to hang flyers, offer money to help mom fly to cali to pick up child, people willing to use their personal phones and gas to go help, people willing to get ahold of special TV shows to assist, people willing to do just about anything to get this girl back home!!! Got a better suggestion rather than a rude remark? Probably not... ok moving on... ;)
Willow, take all the offers you can get right now, seriously.. when people are ready to extend a hand, use it for the good of the energy it was offered in!! GET THAT GIRL HOME!! Gawd we don;t need another young teen kid lost to the streets when we have other means and ways to stop this from happening.. I would not care how many times she has ran away, left the homes, whatever.. If it took the rest of my life i would do what it took to get her back home. Eventually, yes she will have to answer for her own actions, but until that point..it's up to the family to make sure these kids are safe.
Some people say "well you can only do so much".. to hell with that.. i saiy,, DO EVERYTHING you can!! Willow you went through this with me about my son once..*smiles at you* now...(as much as i hate to even think this) now it's your turn and the return is there for you!!! USE IT!!! Gawd i can't say that enough.
I know you remember the tears and how despret i was to get my son back from the street. A mom will do ANYTHING to make that happen, at ALL costs!! I know you and Tommi are doing a lot right now.. but there is still more to do..
Mimi was able to help you with some info that you can use.. research that out..MAKE those organizations give you the info you MUST have, also.. make them do some of this research for you!!!
Have you spoken to anyone about what can happen to her if she is not taking her meds? That alone could put this in a higher priority list with the authorities. Gawd i would do anything to get her home!!!
She may run off again, and you may find yoursel fback in this same boat.. it's not easy, it's not fun, neither was devilvery when she was born :) It's all part of the motherhood of life. It's painful, it hurts, it's a heartache beyond belief, but keep going willow..one day it will slow up and you will be able to breathe once again!!! Trust me, my son is a living proof of that :) Use our example as a ray of light and hope for yourself :)
hugs and loves
sunny!!
FemNLeatherNLace
11-11-2005, 05:43 PM
Gwen...
i was thinking when i was young and i ran way..and was talking with my daughter about when she ran away. Once you are out there..sometimes it is hard to think about going backwards so to speak or at least that is how it feels until you are really able to put things in perspective...and sometimes we just need someone to help us do that because we feel overwhelmed..which is completely natural no matter what age you are.... All through life we make decisions..and take stands for what we want, need, think, feel etc. Sometimes we find out once we do ...maybe we weren't as prepared as we thought. i don't mean at all that we weren't grown up enough..or smart enough..but every human being needs certain things to get by ..to survive. Even when you are my age ... life gets purdy difficult ..just surviving... and life has a way of throwing curves that we could never have anticipated. Sometimes going back doesn't feel like an option and we don't know what to do to go forward. One of the things both my daughter and i agreed on is that looking back we are really grateful that there was support when we needed it most...sometimes from places we didn't even know about..so was thinking maybe i would pass on one of those sources...
This is from their pamphlet...i found their website too in case you want to check it out (http://nrscrisisline.org/kids_nrsintervention.asp (http://nrscrisisline.org/kids_nrsintervention.asp))
Are you having problems at home? Are you thinking about running away? Have you already run away and need to find a place to stay, food, clothing, legal or medical assistance? Being a teenager isn't easy. We're here 24 hours a day. We're confidential and free. Whether you are in a crisis, have a friend who is in trouble, need statistics for a school report, or want ideas for spreading the word about our services, we can help. Talk to us.
We can help you talk it out. We're here to listen! All calls are CONFIDENTIAL AND FREE 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. We won't tell you what to do and we're not here to give out advice. We aim to help you help yourself. We use crisis intervention to work through problems and find a plan of action. Help is available. Call 1-800-RUNAWAY now to speak with someone.
Sometimes the problem is fairly obvious, but in the middle of a crisis it's hard to know which way is up! We can help you to sort it out. We focus on how to control and manage the crisis situation. The National Runaway Switchboard will discuss informal and formal options and give appropriate referrals. We have a huge database of agencies and services that can be of assistance. Finally, we'll help you to develop a detailed plan of action. Help is available! Call 1-800-RUNAWAY to talk with someone.
TxCougar
11-11-2005, 05:46 PM
What an ass! If you don't like the thread, then just stay out!
i get it. this is the national center for exploited children.
Ceilidh
11-11-2005, 06:03 PM
Aww darn. FemN, you just made me cry. In a good way, but still...
Willow, Sunny is right. Take the help that is offered, in any way you can think of. Those of us offering to help really do mean it.
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 06:13 PM
The offers for help have been pouring in so fast that i haven't been even able to keep up on the threads with what all has been done...
Many more agencies and organizations than i can begin to list have been contacted.... and Gwen's return home is completely assured via non stop flight to Virginia from where-ever she may be... So many people have promised that if Gwen contacts them by whatever means... they will do everything and anything in their power to assist her and get her to safety ... seeing to it that her needs are met...
i will be in the area as of next week with Daddy ... and will be bringing clothings and such things that she may need if she contacts someone...
now, truly the only thing i can ask ... is again, for those of you who have the resources and the desire... i do have a flyer which can be printed to be hung up at local hangouts, bus stations, truck stops, community centers, clinics, hospitals etc... but... if you would pray for my daughter... send up white light healing energy to her... because no matter a wayward wanderer she may be... she is truly a good girl ... with so much to offer this world when she is ready ... with talents in music, art and writing ... and the gift of loving and caring for everyone she touches... then ... you are giving up all i can ask of anyone...
and when Gwen is found... please don't stop praying... for ... there are thousands of young people out there on the streets... children like my Gwen ... lost, hungry, wanting, lonely and frightened... needing to grow up and be independant ... and yet not having all of the means ... so winding up lost instead...
Respectfully ... .with the sincerest gratitude and appreciation for every single thing you have all done so generously...
humbly willow
MaineButch
11-11-2005, 06:16 PM
All WONDERFUL advice from you charming people like sunny, fem, mimi...etc.
Anything that can help bring her home is worth it!!!!!!!!
Sorry you have "NO CLUE" Roo...<shakes head>......but if someone needs help...what BETTER support system is there? The more who are involved with this....hopefully the faster this will be over with and Gwen is safe at home.
If you cannot realize this......then like TX said......go ELSEWHERE and save your RUDE comments to yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also I'm BUMPING this again..........:)
MB
bull dog
11-11-2005, 06:22 PM
LadyPhoenix, I am keeping your daughter in my thoughts for a speedy & safe return to her family. Thank you to all who have offered their support & resources. This is not just a website. This is a community. I am very grateful for that.
sincerely,
Bull Dog
LadyPhoenix
11-11-2005, 06:57 PM
**smiling gently*
Gwen has always been an incredibly smart young lady ... she is known everywhere she goes for her capacity to love and create sunshine and smiles... her talents ... art, drawing, writing and music... and a knack for languages in addition to her quickness in picking up nearly anything new she tries .... are just the barest signs of her intelligence...
yet, sometimes there is a sadness in her eyes that ... is impenetrable... and it's been there since she was so small i can't even remember when it started...
my father was afraid of holding her... because she was a girl ... because he was certain that girls broke easier than boys, but he would sit on the front lawn in the evenings and afternoons on pretty days in his chaise lounge and just hold her ... very ... very ... VERY! carefully ... looking down and making googley faces and eyes and talking silly baby talk to her... she would look at him ... with wisdom in her face... and her brother once said... "she's gotta be wondering... what's wrong with him... why doesn't he have anything intelligent to say other than ga and goo?" *smiling softly* ...
for years... she only wanted coconut cakes for her birthdays... and so i learned to bake... coconut cakes ... how to tint the coconut and make it pink or purple depending on what her favorite color was... and if you can believe it... she was more of a priss than her mom is now...
now... she is a beautiful young lady ... and so many here have offered their love to her... their friendship and help ... it can only serve to help her to grow even stronger... she is ... like me... a survivor and fighter... and ... nothing will bend her ... or make her compromise herself ... i tend to imagine her... somewhere reading ... outdoors... she loves to read... and Ann Rice is her favorite ... so something vampirish ... and ... dark ... and ... smiling and nodding to herself as she does sometimes...
knowing that the world is out here... loving her... and rooting her home...
where there are people who love and need her more than she has the capacity to underestand right now
Gwens mom ... willow
leenuttykoop
11-11-2005, 07:26 PM
:) softly at FemN
Gwen,
FemN's notes to you and your mother's posts have had me thinking back to when I was your age. The thought of running away ran through my head many of time, yet in the end for me it was just best to endure whatever needed to be endured till I was safely out. Those times growing up having given me a special soft spot for young adults your age! I think in my heart I'll forever be a teen. Dang as I get older I'm starting to look more and more like one! :s
If you are reading this and are in the LA area email me at koopmanls3@yahoo.com (koopmanls3@yahoo.com) and I'll give you my phone number so we can talk and see about making sure your safe!
It's been a while, but I'm pretty good at talking and listening to people your age! I just wanted to give you a name of someone in the LA area you can contact that yes knows your mom but because of that you also know I'm safe!
Koop, I hope I might hear from ya ;)
Tommi
11-11-2005, 11:04 PM
Wow.... I started thinking about how smart I told my Mother I was at 16.
Phew...and why I needed a motorcycle for transportation to school... :|
Her laughter.. (8) .Her love.. (l) .and her smiling down at me NOW . (a) ..as...I ride off to work on my motorcycle.
Recalling one night that I was an hour late coming home. On the front door was a taped note that read "Police on their way..I have gone searching"
Gwen and Willow will remember the good times.
Gwen ..for some Southern Cookin' on Thanksgiving you can reach me at (click here---- > Syr_Thomas@yahoo.com
and get my phone number and directions.
Tommi
11-12-2005, 12:31 AM
[QUOTE=Roo]i get it. this is the national center for exploited children.
fact: this is legendary shit right here [QUOTE/]
Name calling like Asshole and ignoramus are poor manners, and not allowed..
This is not legendary, but very, very real, and one of ours.
Roo's respect for female children concerns me!!!
MaineButch
11-12-2005, 01:07 AM
Your so right Tommi........always seems to be one AZZ in the bunch!!!!!!!
I'm still sending well wishes........... ;)
BTW Tommi....I admire all you are doing to help Ms Willow...<smiles>
GWENNNNNNNNN...........please contact someone....ANYONE of us!!!!!!!!
I'll even give ya my number to call..even tho I'm so far awy!!!!!!!!
My email.....celittle58@hotmail.com..I'll give you my number....<smile>
I'll do whatever I can to help YOU!!!!!!!!!
So many are here to help you.........just call someone!!!!!!!!!
Take Care Gwen........please contact one of us....ASAP!!!!!!!!!!
My prayers are with you and your family........<smile>
MB
Tommi
11-12-2005, 02:04 AM
Your so right Tommi........always seems to be one AZZ in the bunch!!!!!!!
I'm still sending well wishes........... ;)
BTW Tommi....I admire all you are doing to help Ms Willow...<smiles>
GWENNNNNNNNN...........please contact someone....ANYONE of us!!!!!!!!
I'll even give ya my number to call..even tho I'm so far awy!!!!!!!!
My email.....celittle58@hotmail.com..I'll give you my number....<smile>
I'll do whatever I can to help YOU!!!!!!!!!
So many are here to help you.........just call someone!!!!!!!!!
Take Care Gwen........please contact one of us....ASAP!!!!!!!!!!
My prayers are with you and your family........<smile>
MB
Thanks so..Well, Gwen won't have to worry about snow ! It's about 68 degrees where she was last seen, and she is surrounded by a great community and resources. Our weather, activites, the ocean, draw many young people to that Southern California area.
We know her last locale, and we know friends that are there for her when she is ready. Now we just wait for a call....and pray with each ring of the phone that it will be the Good news we are waiting for..Even if she wants to call to vent about something. it would be awesome to hear that southern accent.
Hope that each time that email arrival alert sounds, that it will be a PM or email from Gwen.
Just to tell us that she is moving on, looking for a job, or found some where to stay, or needs anything we can do.
So, hoping for some sleep now..It is 1:00 AM ..I sit here wondering if Gwen has a roof over her head, a blanket to cover her, or she's camping at the beach with the surfer dudes and babes who live there....Getting a tan.. (h)
leenuttykoop
11-12-2005, 03:23 AM
Thanks so..Well, Gwen won't have to worry about snow ! It's about 68 degrees where she was last seen, and she is surrounded by a great community and resources. Our weather, activites, the ocean, draw many young people to that Southern California area.
Luckily the cool winter nights here will still seem like cool summer nights in her perspective!
I hope to get out and get some sun and hang a little bit by the ocean tomorrow and where the young street crowd hangs tomorrow.
We know her last locale, and we know friends that are there for her when she is ready. Now we just wait for a call....and pray with each ring of the phone that it will be the Good news we are waiting for..Even if she wants to call to vent about something. it would be awesome to hear that southern accent.
Hope that each time that email arrival alert sounds, that it will be a PM or email from Gwen.
My heart definitely pounds and my thoughts go to gwen every time I get an email notice. Eagerly hoping that she does somehow sees this. Knowing and being thankful that in this day and age it isn't far fetched for her to be able to find access to the net. Between cyber cafe's and phones with internet access, we really live in an awesome time that we can network and reach out like this.
Just to tell us that she is moving on, looking for a job, or found some where to stay, or needs anything we can do.
I really do pray that you see our love, messages, concern, and offers for help. Like Tommi says, even if it's just to vent or to let us know she is safe.
So, hoping for some sleep now..It is 1:00 AM ..I sit here wondering if Gwen has a roof over her head, a blanket to cover her, or she's camping at the beach with the surfer dudes and babes who live there....Getting a tan.. (h)
Thinking and praying the same as I wind down from my awesome evening out!
MaineButch
11-12-2005, 04:47 AM
Well what can I say..it did get to friggin 18 degrees here last night...........burrrrrrrrrrrrrr............<shakes head>
What am "I" doing here...LOL.
Just wanted her to have someone else to call if she needed to.:). I know alot are here to help......just trying the best I can.....<sigh>
Take care Ms Gwen.................were all worried about ya.....:(
MB....<who is freezing here>........LOL
Tommi
11-12-2005, 05:51 AM
Well what can I say..it did get to friggin 18 degrees here last night...........burrrrrrrrrrrrrr............<shakes head>
What am "I" doing here...LOL.
Just wanted her to have someone else to call if she needed to.:). I know alot are here to help......just trying the best I can.....<sigh>
Take care Ms Gwen.................were all worried about ya.....:(
MB....<who is freezing here>........LOL
Hey Buddy..Come on doowwwwwwn...wade in the water...shorts, sunglasses alllll year round... (h)
PS. First 18 years of little butchy butt were in 2 feet of snow every winter.. Noooo way , no more, no how...
Grew up south of Pittsburg in the Allegheny Mountains...
AHHhhh..Feeling like a walk on the beach this AM....about 10 minutes south of me (6)
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 05:53 AM
Good morning everyone!~
*smiling softly with a sigh** yet one more night has passed with no word from Gwen ... (Princess Gwendolyn, Princess of the Lands of Laughter and Light, keeper of the Key to the Mommiesheart and Duchess of Nopoutinplz)
And again, i return to thank all of You for Your continued help and support.... especially my beautiful, wonderful fiance/Daddy Tommi who .... is keeping me in one piece through all of this....
Daddy, Your calmness, wisdom, and firmness... are exactly what i need Syr... thank You!
*sighs* something i hope no other mother ever has chance to feel... it becomes an ache... as if you were giving birth again ... feeling ... the stomach tighten and you want to feel her there again ... that place ... where she would be safe... where you can rock her, hold her, sing to her... make it all better... all those things... which can't be made better by anyone but her.... because when she was in your belly .... then ... you had control over what you could and couldn't make better...
my mother said last night, "one day you will look back shaynamadela (means pretty little girl in yiddish and she calls me that sometimes when i am sad), and you and Gwen will laugh at this, because she will call you like you call me ... apologizing for all the things she did in the past, as she finds out herself what it feels like to live through them" ... i was horrified.... because i pray with all my heart... that she never does know this feeling ... but that one day she has a daughter ... who brings her only the happy side of all the feelings she has brought me...
As for laying out on the beach somewhere... Gwen is a prolific swimmer... having been introduced to swimming pools before she was 3 months old.... and ... gets a tan that i get utterly jealous of... so perfectly golden and smooth ... the type of tan most women work for all winter so that they can go to the beach in the summer looking half as beautiful as she does after one or two outings in the sun!
Gwen ... i need to know you are okay honey .... please, ... please get in touch ... with any one you need to .... who can let me know you are okay ...
Lovingly your mom, Tommi's girl, and grandma's shaynamadala (one of them at least)
Drifter
11-12-2005, 06:04 AM
Good morning everyone!~
*smiling softly with a sigh** yet one more night has passed with no word from Gwen ... (Princess Gwendolyn, Princess of the Lands of Laughter and Light, keeper of the Key to the Mommiesheart and Duchess of Nopoutinplz)
And again, i return to thank all of You for Your continued help and support.... especially my beautiful, wonderful fiance/Daddy Tommi who .... is keeping me in one piece through all of this....
Daddy, Your calmness, wisdom, and firmness... are exactly what i need Syr... thank You!
*sighs* something i hope no other mother ever has chance to feel... it becomes an ache... as if you were giving birth again ... feeling ... the stomach tighten and you want to feel her there again ... that place ... where she would be safe... where you can rock her, hold her, sing to her... make it all better... all those things... which can't be made better by anyone but her.... because when she was in your belly .... then ... you had control over what you could and couldn't make better...
my mother said last night, "one day you will look back shaynamadela (means pretty little girl in yiddish and she calls me that sometimes when i am sad), and you and Gwen will laugh at this, because she will call you like you call me ... apologizing for all the things she did in the past, as she finds out herself what it feels like to live through them" ... i was horrified.... because i pray with all my heart... that she never does know this feeling ... but that one day she has a daughter ... who brings her only the happy side of all the feelings she has brought me...
As for laying out on the beach somewhere... Gwen is a prolific swimmer... having been introduced to swimming pools before she was 3 months old.... and ... gets a tan that i get utterly jealous of... so perfectly golden and smooth ... the type of tan most women work for all winter so that they can go to the beach in the summer looking half as beautiful as she does after one or two outings in the sun!
Gwen ... i need to know you are okay honey .... please, ... please get in touch ... with any one you need to .... who can let me know you are okay ...
Lovingly your mom, Tommi's girl, and grandma's shaynamadala (one of them at least)
Woke up...First thing is I wanted to check if you had heard anything. I'm sure you will. So many people are praying for you.........
Drifter
Tommi
11-12-2005, 06:09 AM
Woke up...First thing is I wanted to check if you had heard anything. I'm sure you will. So many people are praying for you.........
Drifter
Yes...We have heard Drifter...
({) from all of our friends around the country (l) (l) (})
How much they care, and are praying, hoping and thinking about one of our own missing ..
Thanks for sending (l) Gwen (l) love..
and surely Gwen will hear all of our messages..
Keep the faith... (*)
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 06:12 AM
Woke up...First thing is I wanted to check if you had heard anything. I'm sure you will. So many people are praying for you.........
Drifter
Thank you so much Drifter for your kind concern.... it is this which has been holding Daddy and me up and keeping us going through this awful time...
i am truly humbled by the kindnesses and offers of help and love and prayers which have been given this week ... i am awed ... with the power of this site and the beautiful people on it...
Respectfully, willow
MzMic
11-12-2005, 06:33 AM
(f) Continuing to send love, white light and prayers to Lady Pheonix, Gwen and her family. With so many of us checking the thread first thing in the morning, and last thing at night - I know that Gwen has to be feeling some of this support. (f)
Tommi
11-12-2005, 07:41 AM
(f) Continuing to send love, white light and prayers to Lady Pheonix, Gwen and her family. With so many of us checking the thread first thing in the morning, and last thing at night - I know that Gwen has to be feeling some of this support. (f)
(k) MMMMMmmWwwwwaaahhhhhhhh (k)
(l) (l)
Feeelin the Love.....
lyric
11-12-2005, 08:11 AM
i missed this thread when you posted it earlier in the week, willow, but i wanted to offer my support to you, Gwen, and the rest of your family. i'll be sending positive thoughts your way, and like everyone else, if there is anything i can do, please let me know! (f)
1PlayfulFemme
11-12-2005, 08:13 AM
i have received so MANY offers for help i can't even begin to thank each of you privately as i had hoped.... but i am truly grateful from the bottom of my heart for everything which is being done for my Gwendolyn.
Some of you have approached me more privately and said that you wished to be doing something "more" but since there is little else to be done but pray and keep your eyes open for the time being i haven't been able to ask for further help. For those of you, especially in the California/Arizona/Nevada/Oregon/Washington State areas... but any and all who are in the position to do so ... and who truly wish to ... i have a flyer which can be printed and copied and put out.... around bus stations, all night diner type places, truck stops etc....
again, i can't ask any of You to do this since it can be a costly enterprise and my own finances are limited right now .... but for those of you who wish... i can't thank you enough ... if you DO want the flyer, please email me with "Gwen" in the subject line at @ Chaos_Mom@verizon.net (Chaos_Mom@verizon.net)
Again... i thank all of You for your prayers, your gentle encouragement, your tender loving support and your outpouring of love for my daughter, i can't begin to tell you how grateful i am for you ...
Thank You ... again and again!
Respectfully,
willow
Owning a small business, I can tell you that printing off flyers doesn't HAVE to be expensive - if they are black and white (you could add color to attract attention later) - you can make 1,000 copies at most any print shop (at least by me) for $40. Now, Office Depot, Office Max, stores like that are going to take advantage of you - you'd have to contact a REAL print shop. I'm not even close to the areas Gwen is known to be now - but for those who are, this might be helpful information.
Willow - you have all my love and support. I'm sorry that during your rough time, there are those who feel the need to be critical of what you are doing - or how you are going about things.
FemN - your message is incredible!! I truly hope that Gwen reads this thread - and sees how loved she is, by so many...who would never mean her harm.
I, too, am disappointed in the reaction of some - and hope that others consider the fact that WORDS CAN HURT too.....I can't imagine being a mother going through this. As always, Willow, you have my utmost respect and adoration. I am never more than a phone call away. Distance can be gapped, my friend..if you need me. I am happy to hear that you will be out to be with Tommi soon...You know Gwen's face better than anyone. I will pray for your safe trip - and a happy outcome!
With love, friendship, and never-ending empathy for you and your situation,
Lis
If anyone had read between the lines in my first post they would have understood my point. I'll be more clear.
There are no facts.
We have a link to a photo of the missing child. A link to a photo on B/F.
There is no link to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children where law enforcement would be able to aid in finding the child. When I looked up the link for the Center for Missing and Exploited Children on my own, I realized why there is no link to that site here. There is no photo or information on Gwen on that site.
In another child centered thread on this site Mom, L. Phoenix, states that she does not have custody of Gwen; and as a result does not receive information about where the child is placed, when she is moved to another facility, or what treatment she receives. Indeed, she stated she seldom sees the child.
Throughout the posts here I see a great deal of mama drama and very little concrete action and concern for the child.
The needs that are being met here, in this thread, are the needs of L. Phoenix. I've spent too many years in child welfare, and in investigations, not to have an idea of when something just didn't scan.
But then, that's just my opnion...
1PlayfulFemme
11-12-2005, 08:24 AM
If anyone had read between the lines in my first post they would have understood my point. I'll be more clear.
There are no facts.
We have a link to a photo of the missing child. A link to a photo on B/F.
There is no link to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children where law enforcement would be able to aid in finding the child. When I looked up the link for the Center for Missing and Exploited Children on my own, I realized why there is no link to that site here. There is no photo or information on Gwen on that site.
In another child centered thread on this site Mom, L. Phoenix, states that she does not have custody of Gwen; and as a result does not receive information about where the child is placed, when she is moved to another facility, or what treatment she receives. Indeed, she stated she seldom sees the child.
Throughout the posts here I see a great deal of mama drama and very little concrete action and concern for the child.
The needs that are being met here, in this thread, are the needs of L. Phoenix. I've spent too many years in child welfare, and in investigations, not to have an idea of when something just didn't scan.
But then, that's just my opnion...
M.
With all due respect, and admiration for your job, and your concern....I was hoping no one else felt that jolt from your first post. Knowing Willow as I do (and as many others here do) I could not FATHOM that she would - as you are implying - make this up.
I have faith that Willow is telling the truth, that she has reported this to the authorities, and that she is searching with every ounce of her being to find her baby. If I am wrong, than I am more naive than I give myself credit for. But, until proven otherwise, I WILL believe that Willow is telling the exact truth.
I will respect your desire for the truth to be out there - I can not, however, respect you calling a dear friend of mine a liar. It seems to me, that Willow is the one who tries to turn the concern FOR her toward Gwen - so that we can all be more concerned with Gwen. And, as concerned as we all ARE for Gwen, I know we are also concerned about Willow - as she is the one whom we are familiar with.
I don't give a shit where Gwen was located before she took off - she still RAN AWAY - to a stranger - who put her on the street. It DOESN'T MATTER if she was living with Willow, or in a group home, or with someone else. What DOES matter is that this woman's 16 year old daughter is out on the streets -clear across the country.
I will be happy to discuss this further in PM's, but refuse to continue here - where a mother who has LOST HER CHILD is 'stuck' reading such horrible words.
As for me, I only need one fact - my FRIEND, Willow, says her daughter has gone missiing. If you'll excuse me, I have some prayers to say.
DebonairMoon
11-12-2005, 08:32 AM
People just continue to amaze me online...I swear they do.
Let me get this straight, this person read all this and got THAT from it?? LOL it's almost laughable...if it wasn't so evil.
Mimi I don't know you, gawd knows at this point I don't want to, however, I DO know Willow. And as Playful just stated, in conversations with her she has continually said that she'll be ok, she's concerned for the well being of Gwen. A lie?? *shakin head* Why don't you just run along and bug someone else..this doesn't belong here. Having a slow Saturday morning are we??
Sorry folks, I usually let this kind of flaming crap go, but I had to say something ....it's not bad enough that online shit helped CAUSE this tradgedy, it's got to now make it more painful?
-Moon, fuming over here
lighthouselover
11-12-2005, 08:43 AM
With all due respect, and admiration for your job, and your concern....I was hoping no one else felt that jolt from your first post. Knowing Willow as I do (and as many others here do) I could not FATHOM that she would - as you are implying - make this up.
I have faith that Willow is telling the truth, that she has reported this to the authorities, and that she is searching with every ounce of her being to find her baby. If I am wrong, than I am more naive than I give myself credit for. But, until proven otherwise, I WILL believe that Willow is telling the exact truth.
I will respect your desire for the truth to be out there - I can not, however, respect you calling a dear friend of mine a liar. It seems to me, that Willow is the one who tries to turn the concern FOR her toward Gwen - so that we can all be more concerned with Gwen. And, as concerned as we all ARE for Gwen, I know we are also concerned about Willow - as she is the one whom we are familiar with.
I don't give a shit where Gwen was located before she took off - she still RAN AWAY - to a stranger - who put her on the street. It DOESN'T MATTER if she was living with Willow, or in a group home, or with someone else. What DOES matter is that this woman's 16 year old daughter is out on the streets -clear across the country.
I will be happy to discuss this further in PM's, but refuse to continue here - where a mother who has LOST HER CHILD is 'stuck' reading such horrible words.
As for me, I only need one fact - my FRIEND, Willow, says her daughter has gone missiing. If you'll excuse me, I have some prayers to say.
~~~~STANDING AND CLAPPING~~~~~~
Willow and Gwen do not need to read negativity here. Joining you in saying some prayers.
lighthouselover
11-12-2005, 08:45 AM
People just continue to amaze me online...I swear they do.
Let me get this straight, this person read all this and got THAT from it?? LOL it's almost laughable...if it wasn't so evil.
Mimi I don't know you, gawd knows at this point I don't want to, however, I DO know Willow. And as Playful just stated, in conversations with her she has continually said that she'll be ok, she's concerned for the well being of Gwen. A lie?? *shakin head* Why don't you just run along and bug someone else..this doesn't belong here. Having a slow Saturday morning are we??
Sorry folks, I usually let this kind of flaming crap go, but I had to say something ....it's not bad enough that online shit helped CAUSE this tradgedy, it's got to now make it more painful?
-Moon, fuming over here
Don't let them get your feathers ruffled. Obviously they need as many prayers as Willow and Glen right now.
sunny-dayze
11-12-2005, 08:58 AM
Good Morning
Willow could you please send me the flyer that you have going for Gwen, thanks :) Send it to my pvt msg here on the site :) Wishing you a calm day!!!
annie
aprettydress
11-12-2005, 09:07 AM
No one is calling Willow a liar, that's not what I got from my reading of Mimi's post.
Mimi merely list facts sifted from the ((hugs)) and "healing light/energy". Those facts ought to be of some interest, considering a child is missing...
to be clear, i do think a child missing is tragic. and i am also guilty of labeling a child left to a group home facility as tragic. ...to exploit this situation further is inconceivable.
dress
OutlawDaddy
11-12-2005, 09:11 AM
Don't let them get your feathers ruffled. Obviously they need as many prayers as Willow and Glen right now.
I have been trying to follow this thread, I went to sleep thinking I had it down, OK Picture this Virginia...2005
Mom is L. Phoenix (I can remember that because it is like L. Woods)
Mom's Daddi, Sir, et al. is Tommi
Mom is being offered money from strangers
Mom's Mom has little Yiddish nicknames for her
Mom is being offered money from strangers
Mom is being showered with attention and encouragement, for being brave and a good Mom.
Some Nasty Sexual Predator Lesbian from this site hooked up with Mom's daughter while she was being supervised 24 hours a day in a group home for "special needs" children.
In said group home, minor child was purchased and then sent a cell phone by said predator.
Initial mail/package makes it past staff as well as each call incoming and outgoing call go undetected by staff.
Predator arranges for minor/child to leave state (includes all transportation arrangements for minor/child travelling alone.)
Child arrives safely with predator (again from this site)
After reading moms post's predator suddenly has a change of morality and throws minor/child out onto street.
Minor/Child is homeless but still reading Mom's posts...
...but I woke this morning and now I have no idea who is a raging borderline, who we are praying for and I have no idea who Glen is?
Tommi
11-12-2005, 09:18 AM
Good Morning
Willow could you please send me the flyer that you have going for Gwen, thanks :) Send it to my pvt msg here on the site :) Wishing you a calm day!!!
annie
I have had to step away...I have had to step away from this thread and calm down..
What we have posted was to please send us your email address so we may return the jpeg. flyer
At this juncture, PM ME!!
As , willow, whose daughter is not where she was being kept safe ..is no longer safe. In the system, with experienced social workers, and I will say NO MORE>> I need to step away again.
To receive the flyer:
email ME: Syr_Thomas@Yahoo.com
Subject: Missing
Ceilidh
11-12-2005, 09:32 AM
As , willow, whose daughter is not where she was being kept safe ..is no longer safe. In the system, with experienced social workers, and I will say NO MORE>> I need to step away again.
Okay, now I'm confused. Run that by me again?
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 09:57 AM
Thanks to Mimi's post i realized, yes, it does seem like a lot of drama,
Therefore... if you have information concerning my daughter, Gwendolyn Faye Strauss, age 16, (March 27, 1989 )Please contact one of the below IMMEDIATELY!! :
Henrico County Police Department: 804-501-4800
Henrico County Social Services (ask for Kendra Parker) 804-501-5001
OR 804-349-2636 (Ms. Parker's voice mail service for emergencies)
Gwen's Guardian Ad Litum, Donna Berkley: 804-755-4461
Although Gwen's picture is not listed, she IS on file with the national clearinghouse for missing and exploited children and that number is:
1-800-843-5678 EXT. 6347 (Mention Gwen Strauss) and ask for her caseworker, Gary.
Thank you again, all of you, for your help and assistance and your understanding that i continue to hope that my daughter will come back onto this site ...
Brightest Blessings to you all ... i thank you for your continued efforts ... and again beg of you ... please remember, this isn't about me... it's about my daughter... if you see her or hear from her ... please use the numbers above... then contact Tommi or me please to let us know that she is alive and well...
My sincere gratitude, willow
Tommi
11-12-2005, 10:06 AM
My reply posts are in color, and if it is all screwed up..please excuse me...because I have to step away...The news is covering the story of the Carli Brucha who was found dead 4 days after her disappearance.
If anyone had read between the lines in my first post they would have understood my point. I'll be more clear.
There are no facts. There are facts this website does need to have. This is not an investigation....This community is grass roots, and , as you know, things must happen fast, and no better way than to reach out to friends and "family" that Lady Phoenix and I have made here..that will do the foot work that a social worker, the guardian, the police and the FBI may be too busy to do, or , not "My case", not my job, not on duty..I will not crucify the types of FACTS I know about our Child Welfare System in America...
We have a link to a photo of the missing child. A link to a photo on
If you would be so kind as to email Syr_Thomas@yahoo.com , Subject: Missing I will reply to you....with the jpeg of the flyer.. This was posted previously if, you had read between the lines.
There is no link to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children where law enforcement would be able to aid in finding the child. When I looked up the link for the Center for Missing and Exploited Children on my own, I realized why there is no link to that site here. There is no photo or information on Gwen on that site.
http://www.missingkids.com/
is the link for the National Center for Missing and
EXPLOITED CHILDREN
REMIND THEM AGAIN
for us that the poster is not up. You MAY be told that....well...they can't reach the guardian ad litum...The guardian that did not know this was going on in a supervised ...system....with ...experienced social workers....
Wonder where the "child welfare, and in investigations " staff were at this facility and wonder where the "child welfare, and in investigations " staff thought this child got a cell phone and was getting phone calls during treatment and school? Sure wasn't from Lady Phoenix, as , that was not allowed, and she played dby the rules.....Wonder how long it took those experienced folks to report her missing...and how long it took for the guardian to speak to "National Center for MISSING and EXPLOITED CHILDREN".. Well, that one I already gave you that answer...
http://www.missingkids.com/
In another child centered thread on this site Mom, L. Phoenix, states that she does not have custody of Gwen; and as a result does not receive information about where the child is placed, when she is moved to another facility, or what treatment she receives. Indeed, she stated she seldom sees the child.
Hmmmm..Wonder if there are times when kids are placed on restriction.!!, or ..in fragile states when contact would interrupt treatment.....or..the child chooses to be angry..., in a controlled healthy and safe system...
Throughout the posts here I see a great deal of mama drama and very little concrete action and concern for the child.
Do the initials FBI mean anything to you?
The needs that are being met here, in this thread, are the needs of L. Phoenix. I've spent too many years in child welfare, and in investigations, not to have an idea of when something just didn't scan.
The needs that are met are also yours, as you are able to express your opinion.,....and I 'll show you my badge if you show me yours....bet mines bigger
But then, that's just my opnion...
But then, that's just my opnion
Tommi
11-12-2005, 10:07 AM
Thanks to Mimi's post i realized, yes, it does seem like a lot of drama,
Therefore... if you have information concerning my daughter, Gwendolyn Faye Strauss, age 16, (March 27, 1989 )Please contact one of the below IMMEDIATELY!! :
Henrico County Police Department: 804-501-4800
Henrico County Social Services (ask for Kendra Parker) 804-501-5001
OR 804-349-2636 (Ms. Parker's voice mail service for emergencies)
Gwen's Guardian Ad Litum, Donna Berkley: 804-755-4461
Although Gwen's picture is not listed, she IS on file with the national clearinghouse for missing and exploited children and that number is:
1-800-843-5678 EXT. 6347 (Mention Gwen Strauss) and ask for her caseworker, Gary.
Thank you again, all of you, for your help and assistance and your understanding that i continue to hope that my daughter will come back onto this site ...
Brightest Blessings to you all ... i thank you for your continued efforts ... and again beg of you ... please remember, this isn't about me... it's about my daughter... if you see her or hear from her ... please use the numbers above... then contact Tommi or me please to let us know that she is alive and well...
My sincere gratitude, willow
((((((((((((((WILLOW)))))))))))
I know what a drama queen AND PERFECTIONIST you are, now , do not get dramatic on me,but ..you made a typo....(FAN yourself girl)..
It is the NATIONAL CENTER for MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN and their web site is
http://www.missingkids.com/
and the flyer was from the Polly Klaas Foundation
Organization, dedicated to preventing child abduction and finding missing kids.
http://www.pollyklaas.org/
They will get the info up soon as "THEY" can get it together..WE got the BALLS rolling and our friends praying..so, what more can we ask for, except to bring Gwen Home
MzMic
11-12-2005, 10:18 AM
Willow, your class and grace when confronted with such ignorance would amaze me, except that it is the dignity with which I have always seen you carry yourself. (l)
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 10:21 AM
Something i wish to make perfectly clear... although there have been offers for money from overly generous kind people... money is not needed ... my family has all the money necessary and guarentee's Gwen's flight home... and will repay any expenses gotten on the behalf of anyone who helps Gwen ... we aren't looking for money .... or contributions except of your prayers for Gwen and to please keep your eyes OPEN for her...
This is NOT about money ... although your kindness is appreciated... money is NOT what is needed here!
All the rest is rhetoric...
Mimi, with all those years in welfare and investigations... surely you of all people know just how overwhelmed the system is. Often enough when it is clear that a child has RUNAWAY ... yes RUNAWAY clearly of her own volition ... all that is and can be done is the reporting of information to the proper authorities ... thus, my daughters name is in databases.... why her picture doesn't show? i don't know... but i have been assured by the clearinghouse that she is in their records as well and was told her caseworker is Gary ... see past post...
social services is overwhelmed... something else you must know mimi... probation officers, case workers, social workers work long hard hours with too many children on their cases to be able to give full attention to any one child ...
whereas me, the mother, yes, legally i DO have parental rights... she is in the custody of the state but that doesn't make me not her mother anymore... something else i am sure you have experience with ... i have ... 5 hours of classes a week and a missing daughter... who i knew to have been on this site at least once in the past few months because she told me so ...
i don't post every development about her situation in any thread... however Gwen had been transferred to an independant living situation which allowed us more freedom of contact ...
of course... if the social services system weren't so overflowing ... then persons who have years in welfare and investigations wouldn't become cold hearted towards such things and burnt out ... and perhaps.. one of the people who was supposed to be watching over my daughters well being ... would have questioned why an adult who was not on the lists as a member of her family ... was sending her a cell phone...
this isn't about me... and for those of you who want to make it about you ... i beg you ... go find a thread of your own ... and do and say whatever you want... however... if you have information for Gwen or about Gwen ... please... post ...
if you want to post your support to my daughter... i beg you ... please do... there is a slight chance she may wander into a library or some such place to read this since she is a member and has a screen name here...
if you want to pray for my daughter... i am forever grateful for you ...
and if you want to post flyers for her... i am forever in your debt...
PLEASE... think of what it feels like ... for her right now... not me...
Respectfully, willow
lighthouselover
11-12-2005, 10:28 AM
Willow, your class and grace when confronted with such ignorance would amaze me, except that it is the dignity with which I have always seen you carry yourself. (l)
My sentiments exactly. I was reading back over previous posts and came across BullDog's statement....."this is not a website, but a community". A community where people come together for each other. Anyone that chooses to not come together and be helpful in a time of need, well, maybe they should just go find that particular "website". That being said, Willow, throughout all that you are going through, you have shown nothing but total class and grace. You are a true sweetie and everything will work out. Hang in there and hold your head high. Don't let ugly remarks get you down or make you lose your focus. LadyPhoenix is a true lady and the phoenix in you shall rise above all of this. (f)
lighthouselover
11-12-2005, 10:31 AM
Something i wish to make perfectly clear... although there have been offers for money from overly generous kind people... money is not needed ... my family has all the money necessary and guarentee's Gwen's flight home... and will repay any expenses gotten on the behalf of anyone who helps Gwen ... we aren't looking for money .... or contributions except of your prayers for Gwen and to please keep your eyes OPEN for her...
This is NOT about money ... although your kindness is appreciated... money is NOT what is needed here!
All the rest is rhetoric...
Mimi, with all those years in welfare and investigations... surely you of all people know just how overwhelmed the system is. Often enough when it is clear that a child has RUNAWAY ... yes RUNAWAY clearly of her own volition ... all that is and can be done is the reporting of information to the proper authorities ... thus, my daughters name is in databases.... why her picture doesn't show? i don't know... but i have been assured by the clearinghouse that she is in their records as well and was told her caseworker is Gary ... see past post...
social services is overwhelmed... something else you must know mimi... probation officers, case workers, social workers work long hard hours with too many children on their cases to be able to give full attention to any one child ...
whereas me, the mother, yes, legally i DO have parental rights... she is in the custody of the state but that doesn't make me not her mother anymore... something else i am sure you have experience with ... i have ... 5 hours of classes a week and a missing daughter... who i knew to have been on this site at least once in the past few months because she told me so ...
i don't post every development about her situation in any thread... however Gwen had been transferred to an independant living situation which allowed us more freedom of contact ...
of course... if the social services system weren't so overflowing ... then persons who have years in welfare and investigations wouldn't become cold hearted towards such things and burnt out ... and perhaps.. one of the people who was supposed to be watching over my daughters well being ... would have questioned why an adult who was not on the lists as a member of her family ... was sending her a cell phone...
this isn't about me... and for those of you who want to make it about you ... i beg you ... go find a thread of your own ... and do and say whatever you want... however... if you have information for Gwen or about Gwen ... please... post ...
if you want to post your support to my daughter... i beg you ... please do... there is a slight chance she may wander into a library or some such place to read this since she is a member and has a screen name here...
if you want to pray for my daughter... i am forever grateful for you ...
and if you want to post flyers for her... i am forever in your debt...
PLEASE... think of what it feels like ... for her right now... not me...
Respectfully, willow
Very well spoken and as always, done with class!!!
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 10:39 AM
as i just posted privately:
Dear Sir, to clarify things for you ...
Gwen, my daughter is 16, she has been diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder and had exhausted her resources through the state... as a single mother i had to turn to the state of Virginia six years ago for help with Gwen after her third suicide attempt almost caused me to lose my job... i have a second child i had to take care of too... she was recently transferred from a hospital to a transitional group home where she would learn independant living skills... the state can only keep custody of her but for so long You know... there, she met on the computer... at this site... an adult... whom she convinced that she was 18 ... and that adult for whatever reason sent her a cell phone... and yes, it's sad but it got PAST the staff of the group home who never questioned this... i am certain that this will be appropriately addressed AFTER my daughter is found and returned SAFELY to virginia. when Gwen RAN AWAY.. she contacted this adult... and the adult sent her a bus ticket to California... the adult ... believing that she was 18... when the adult ... from this site... saw the thread stating Gwen's age... she told Gwen that Gwen could no longer stay there with her... * wouldn't you? * ... and Gwen left... and is now in San Diego or somewhere thereabouts... Gwen HAS been online at least once since leaving this persons home, and we feel confident that if she can find access to public computers she will return ... if you have further questions .. please feel free to address them to me!
Respectfully, Gwen's mom ... willow
Again ... i am BEGGING YOU ... all of YOU ... not to turn this into a legal discussion or flaming thread... i came here to ask for Your HELP in looking out for my daughter... so many kind people have responded.... i am Begging... do not turn this into a three ring circus... there is a confused... sad,... hurt child out there... and we do have the resources to spread the word and increase her chances of being returned safely home ...
My gratitude...
willow
bull dog
11-12-2005, 10:46 AM
Yes I do firmly believe this is a community and that the grassroots movement is an important factor here. I am keeping my eyes & ears open here in Portland. The more people who are alerted to the situation the better. You never know what resources the members of our amazing community may have access to. Also, sometimes you just end up being in the right place at the right time to be able to help.
For those who may have doubts or concerns that all the social service arenas haven't been covered or the proper authorities notified, why not offer the information either publicly or privately and show compassion rather than cynicism. A mother is missing her child.
I have great faith in our community. I know there are plenty of community members here who are willing to step up to the plate and help if they have the opportunity to do so. I wish my very best to Gwen, Willow, Tommi & their family and friends.
sincerely,
Bull Dog
Tommi
11-12-2005, 10:46 AM
Owning a small business, I can tell you that printing off flyers doesn't HAVE to be expensive - if they are black and white (you could add color to attract attention later) - you can make 1,000 copies at most any print shop (at least by me) for $40. Now, Office Depot, Office Max, stores like that are going to take advantage of you - you'd have to contact a REAL print shop. I'm not even close to the areas Gwen is known to be now - but for those who are, this might be helpful information.
Willow - you have all my love and support. I'm sorry that during your rough time, there are those who feel the need to be critical of what you are doing - or how you are going about things.
FemN - your message is incredible!! I truly hope that Gwen reads this thread - and sees how loved she is, by so many...who would never mean her harm.
I, too, am disappointed in the reaction of some - and hope that others consider the fact that WORDS CAN HURT too.....I can't imagine being a mother going through this. As always, Willow, you have my utmost respect and adoration. I am never more than a phone call away. Distance can be gapped, my friend..if you need me. I am happy to hear that you will be out to be with Tommi soon...You know Gwen's face better than anyone. I will pray for your safe trip - and a happy outcome!
With love, friendship, and never-ending empathy for you and your situation,
Lis
THANKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUU..
This is the type of love (l) that jumps in and rescues a drowning stranger..and you must imagine...willow feels as if she is drowning. (f) ..
Consider it done..Thanks..great idea...my printer says LOW INK.
willow..it will be done by this afternoon...and those that are interested...and haven't let me know...
Volunteers welcome ...email me for the jpeg. of the flyer.
Syr_Thomas@yahoo.com
http://www.pollyklaas.org/
http://www.missingkids.com/
micpfef
11-12-2005, 10:56 AM
I will say I have been following this thread and the situation with the missing of Gwen. Initially I too did not believe but then I thought about it and figured that Willow has been on this site a long time and what would she gain by flaunting her pain to us other than support for her daughter. If she was lying what would she lose? A LOT everyone!!!!!!!! She comes to this site, posts a lot, interacts with many people here, supports many people here. She is a part of this community for all it is. She is in Rhon's front room and it will be on her head if she is lying. Do you want your disbelief and disrespect and potential for losing a child already lost by a sytem on yours? (This is probably harsh, I know.)
I will out myself as the one who tracked IP numbers. We did find out the first IP that Willow's daughter was posting under was the IP (mind you a static one at that) of the group home in Virginia where she resided. The one we found her under after that was in San Diego. It however was a dynamic IP address so not specific enough to locate her based on that alone. And believe it or not I still carried doubt of Willow and this situation because it is (while all too common) something I don't think anyone wants to believe. (BTW, if you don't know the difference between a static and a dynamic IP, look it up.)
I have known Willow for awhile and talked to her off site. I have talked to her about her daughter and about her daughter's situation in state care and her medical needs. I know Willow plays by the books, but I also know she is a mother first and she wants her child safe. So grass roots or an overloaded state and federal system, this child deserves to be safe. Gwen deserves to feel the love from this community. She doesn't need to read her mother being hurt or caused pain by doubt from the community that her mother loves.
Gwen this is to you. I know there are a lot of ways to be independent and free from the pain you feel inside. You deserve to be safe and happy. Your mom is a big girl and she loves you deeply. So do many on this site just because you are a wonderful girl who deserves all the love and care you can receive. The most important thing is for you to reach out to someone to let us know you are safe. There have been many ways to let us know listed in this thread, where you will not be turned in or made to go home. Your wings will not be clipped and you will find a place to rest. Whether you are couch surfing or on the streets, please let someone know you are safe.
Respectfully,
Michele
Tommi
11-12-2005, 10:57 AM
Thanks to Mimi's post i realized, yes, it does seem like a lot of drama,
Therefore... if you have information concerning my daughter, Gwendolyn Faye Strauss, age 16, (March 27, 1989 )Please contact one of the below IMMEDIATELY!! :
Henrico County Police Department: 804-501-4800
Henrico County Social Services (ask for Kendra Parker) 804-501-5001
OR 804-349-2636 (Ms. Parker's voice mail service for emergencies)
Gwen's Guardian Ad Litum, Donna Berkley: 804-755-4461
Although Gwen's picture is not listed, she IS on file with the national clearinghouse for missing and exploited children and that number is:
1-800-843-5678 EXT. 6347 (Mention Gwen Strauss) and ask for her caseworker, Gary.
Thank you again, all of you, for your help and assistance and your understanding that i continue to hope that my daughter will come back onto this site ...
Brightest Blessings to you all ... i thank you for your continued efforts ... and again beg of you ... please remember, this isn't about me... it's about my daughter... if you see her or hear from her ... please use the numbers above... then contact Tommi or me please to let us know that she is alive and well...
My sincere gratitude, willow
http://www.missingkids.com/
NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN
and the authorities will catch up with what our little old Butch-Femme community is doing...
But..we are posting her picture anyway...Hate waiting around...and standing in lines...
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 11:04 AM
Okay ... please, everyone... i am begging... let us stop this here...
Mimi was doing a service... she pointed out that i had forgotten to release important information ... in doing so... i have been reminded to post the information to the authorities who are responsible for my daughter...
ALSO... because a very VERY Generous and kind hearted member mentioned sending money to me to get me to california to look for my daughter, mimi pointed out that ... people have used such things to scam others... she is just watching out for the members of this site...
i have addressed many of the posts in private because of precisely this... i came here to ask for help for GWEN ... not for me... as a mother, (and all of you who are will understand this... this is no burden ... the pain is ... just part of giving birth ... it's part of loving .. this is ... what i knew i was in for the day i first knew i was pregnant... this is what parenting is... it hurts sometimes... and those who aren't strong enough don't have children.... this is just part of the price for the honor of having a beautiful brilliant talented artistic daughter like Gwen ... )
Please.... i understand some of you may have feelings or questions ... DAddy and i are more than happy to address them ... as adults in private... i really didn't start this forum to discuss whether or not my daughter is missing... *smiling softly* ... that was already a given ... i started it to ask for your help ...
mimi DID help in her own way ... she reminded me that i needed to post certain information ... lets leave it at that !
thank you
willow
Heart
11-12-2005, 11:10 AM
I feel compelled to point something out.
Yes, we like to think of this as a community, to turn here for help and support. But children clearly also surf this site, as Gwen did, and there are obviously adults here that can and will exploit them, as happened to Gwen here, on this site.
We MUST remember that this is cyberspace. This is the internet. This is a PUBLIC space. ANYONE can come here and read and pose and post. This is not, and cannot be a safe, insular community.
It concerns me deeply that people post identifying information, names, pictures, etc about their children here. That information is easily used by stalkers and predators.
I am not saying this site should not be part of grassroots efforts to provide help and support, and I am making no judgements or assigning any blame. I'm just saying PLEASE think carefully about how you use this site.
I hope this child is swiftly located and returned to safety.
Heart
Ceilidh
11-12-2005, 11:26 AM
I'd just like to add one thing. Even if you are a cynic (and I freely admit that at times I can be Queen of the Cynics), what does it cost you to pray for someone or something, or to wish someone the best? It isn't as though there is a per-prayer service charge. No one is asking that you parade in a sack cloth and ashes to show solidarity. No one is even asking that you give up faith in the child welfare system. My mother has been a social worker (of one kind or another) for over 30 years. I have a great respect for LSWs, MSW, DSW, the people who run group homes and everything in between. That doesn't mean that there aren't holes. While prayer alone won't fill the holes, what do you lose by doing it? Not a darned thing. And if it soothes someone or does help for even 5 seconds, that's enough of a gain for me. My prayers will continue to go to all involved.
Ceilidh
11-12-2005, 11:30 AM
I'd also like to say, Gwen, use a cell phone, or a payphone, or whatever, but call your mama. You won't have to go home, just let people know you're alive.
Tommi
11-12-2005, 11:39 AM
I will say I have been following this thread and the situation with the missing of Gwen. Initially I too did not believe but then I thought about it and figured that Willow has been on this site a long time and what would she gain by flaunting her pain to us other than support for her daughter. If she was lying what would she lose? A LOT everyone!!!!!!!! She comes to this site, posts a lot, interacts with many people here, supports many people here. She is a part of this community for all it is. She is in Rhon's front room and it will be on her head if she is lying. Do you want your disbelief and disrespect and potential for losing a child already lost by a sytem on yours? (This is probably harsh, I know.)
I will out myself as the one who tracked IP numbers. We did find out the first IP that Willow's daughter was posting under was the IP (mind you a static one at that) of the group home in Virginia where she resided. The one we found her under after that was in San Diego. It however was a dynamic IP address so not specific enough to locate her based on that alone. And believe it or not I still carried doubt of Willow and this situation because it is (while all too common) something I don't think anyone wants to believe. (BTW, if you don't know the difference between a static and a dynamic IP, look it up.)
And I will out myslf as the one who talked to the perpetrator.
I will out myself for talking to THE National Center for MISSING AND EXPLOITED CHILDREN when we thought NOTHING was happpening...after we kept checking, and checking on...sooooo many things...
Now, willow and I need to rest, it has been a very exhaustive week so, please, carry on without us.
This 3 hour time diffence is tough Girlie...Nap Time..
~~~~~One eye open important emails...
Tommi
11-12-2005, 11:49 AM
I'd just like to add one thing. Even if you are a cynic (and I freely admit that at times I can be Queen of the Cynics), what does it cost you to pray for someone or something, or to wish someone the best? It isn't as though there is a per-prayer service charge. No one is asking that you parade in a sack cloth and ashes to show solidarity. No one is even asking that you give up faith in the child welfare system. My mother has been a social worker (of one kind or another) for over 30 years. I have a great respect for LSWs, MSW, DSW, the people who run group homes and everything in between. That doesn't mean that there aren't holes. While prayer alone won't fill the holes, what do you lose by doing it? Not a darned thing. And if it soothes someone or does help for even 5 seconds, that's enough of a gain for me. My prayers will continue to go to all involved.
My frustration, fear, sadness and anger all jumbled together hit those keys.. :( Caused by all of the things in a row that happened before she disappeared and afterwards..).. God bless your Mother..and all the great folks that have saved our lives, and our families...I say it from experince, and from my heart (l) Ceilidh (l) .
ASCA Alumni
Ceilidh
11-12-2005, 11:59 AM
Tommi dear, it wasn't a criticism of you. Really. I'm just pointing out that there are good and bad aspects of everything, particularly things with a great deal of bureaucratic interference. Mimi and others have worked with the system long enough to see the holes in the stories of many parents, and you and Willow have worked with the system (as well as being sleep deprived and anxious) long enough to see the holes there as well. As a teacher and as the child of two counselors, I've seen social workers burn out and I've seen parents lie through their teeth. I'm not saying either is the case here. I'm just saying we should all work on "being the change we want to see in the world", rather than focusing on its negative points.
aloha nui (much love and compassion)
Ceilidh
Tommi
11-12-2005, 12:39 PM
Tommi dear, it wasn't a criticism of you. Really. I'm just pointing out that there are good and bad aspects of everything, particularly things with a great deal of bureaucratic interference. Mimi and others have worked with the system long enough to see the holes in the stories of many parents, and you and Willow have worked with the system (as well as being sleep deprived and anxious) long enough to see the holes there as well. As a teacher and as the child of two counselors, I've seen social workers burn out and I've seen parents lie through their teeth. I'm not saying either is the case here. I'm just saying we should all work on "being the change we want to see in the world", rather than focusing on its negative points.
aloha nui (much love and compassion)
Ceilidh
Really appreciate the input.. (f) (f) ... will keep you posted. With your background you can understand the need to share a burden ...and let me tell you, there is a wonderful network of people on this site that have offered to help, your interraction, people putting out posters......and the prayers, positive images, energy and connections of energy and understanding ....helps to lighten this load for willow...and miraculously, Gwen may be touched by something or someone here and be able to be guided to safety.
Guess I got a bit defensive in a :s weak moment.. (a) .watching my manners...
SilverVictorian
11-12-2005, 01:35 PM
I am so sorry this has happened to you and your mother Willow.... You must be both going crazy with the worry. I will keep positive thoughts for gwen and please willow you and your mom do also remember you have to take care of yourselves.
Scarlette
JasmineBlade
11-12-2005, 01:45 PM
Willow, dear sister,
You are a fine, fine lady and a wonderful mother. I know your heart is moving mountains right now, and that kind of energy can't help but bring results. Let the flared emotions subside back into the ether; those who meant well will be remembered, and those who were careless don't matter. Gwen is everyone's priority and your honor was never in doubt, in all the ways that count. She is your child and you need make no explanations for the things that any parent would do to protect the life of their offspring. Every child in the world would be lucky to have a mother as fiercely dedicated as you.
I'm here, always, in case Gwen makes her way back to our area of the world. I work in an office and would be happy to print (and mail out to others) as many flyers as you need.
Peace and strength to you and your loyal loved ones.
Love,
Jas
Tommi
11-12-2005, 01:51 PM
Willow, dear sister,
You are a fine, fine lady and a wonderful mother. I know your heart is moving mountains right now, and that kind of energy can't help but bring results. Let the flared emotions subside back into the ether; those who meant well will be remembered, and those who were careless don't matter. Gwen is everyone's priority and your honor was never in doubt, in all the ways that count. She is your child and you need make no explanations for the things that any parent would do to protect the life of their offspring. Every child in the world would be lucky to have a mother as fiercely dedicated as you.
I'm here, always, in case Gwen makes her way back to our area of the world. I work in an office and would be happy to print (and mail out to others) as many flyers as you need.
Peace and strength to you and your loyal loved ones.
Love,
Jas
Jas (l)
Please email me: Syr_Thomas@Yahoo.com
Subject: Missing Child
and I will return the jpeg seen in my gallery
ANOTHER Terrific post...made me smile again ~~~~in between the helpless waves~~an ocean of emotions~~
Tommi
11-12-2005, 02:08 PM
Woke up...First thing is I wanted to check if you had heard anything. I'm sure you will. So many people are praying for you.........
Drifter
Drifter...Thanks Hope You Received the jpeg and okay to post in Boston. ;)
(((((willow))))))) I dont know if one more hug means anything, but there it is anyway...I posted on the Daddy/grrl thread a few minutes ago and PMd you before I saw this thread...but I am posting one more time, just cause I want to give this thread another bump and because at this moment I am completely overwhelmed and in awe of the outpouring of love on this thread, I am in tears reading all of this. You are such a pillar of strength willow, I could only hope that I would be that strong if this were my situation...
As far as helping goes, I am in Utah, not far from Ca. but not real sure she would come here, but I am willing to put up flyers around our community and at our GLBT center...
1PlayfulFemme
11-12-2005, 02:29 PM
THANKKKKKK YOUUUUUUUUU..
This is the type of love (l) that jumps in and rescues a drowning stranger..and you must imagine...willow feels as if she is drowning. (f) ..
Consider it done..Thanks..great idea...my printer says LOW INK.
willow..it will be done by this afternoon...and those that are interested...and haven't let me know...
Volunteers welcome ...email me for the jpeg. of the flyer.
Syr_Thomas@yahoo.com
http://www.pollyklaas.org/
http://www.missingkids.com/
*Smiling* Anytime Tommi - glad I could be of some sort of assistance. As for the love - it's a given! :) Somewhere - there's a life raft for sweet Willow that will rescue her from this storm. *Hugs*
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 04:03 PM
Just an update and a bump.... no word yet... i just got off the phone with San Diego Police, Henrico Police and the Runaway hotline *left messages for Gwen there ... please Gwen if you see this ... 1-800-RUNAWAY has messages for you ... you can leave them for Random and me too ... just say ... "i'm okay" ... it's all we need to know ... unless you need something and want us to send to you! ** ... no word at all on any front though ... thank you again for your prayers and support...
willow
Drifter
11-12-2005, 06:54 PM
Drifter...Thanks Hope You Received the jpeg and okay to post in Boston. ;)
Got the jpeg and will post it Boston...........Drifter
Tommi
11-12-2005, 07:38 PM
Got the jpeg and will post it Boston...........Drifter
Thank you XOXOX (o) Drifter...and
all you guys and gals....sending Gwen the (l) LOVE..
leenuttykoop
11-12-2005, 08:54 PM
Gwen,
Just a reminder that if you need anything, want to talk, or just get a message to your mom feel free to email me at koopmanls3@yahoo.com (koopmanls3@yahoo.com). I live in LA and your mom and Tommi both know me!
I've worked with young adults your age for over 15 years so if you just want to talk to an adult that isn't mom or the system, just someone that will listen, email me and that can be arranged!
I hope you are safe and warm and enjoy the beauty and warmth of CA!
My heart goes out to you and your Mom!
Koop
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 09:10 PM
Gwen,
Just a reminder that if you need anything, want to talk, or just get a message to your mom feel free to email me at koopmanls3@yahoo.com (koopmanls3@yahoo.com). I live in LA and your mom and Tommi both know me!
I've worked with young adults your age for over 15 years so if you just want to talk to an adult that isn't mom or the system, just someone that will listen, email me and that can be arranged!
I hope you are safe and warm and enjoy the beauty and warmth of CA!
My heart goes out to you and your Mom!
Koop
koop honey, once more... ya make a mom wanna pinch your cheeks... thank you sweetness... for helping to watch over my lost lamb... she means the whole world to me ... you are a G-d send!
willow
HotNSassy
11-12-2005, 09:17 PM
so I was thinkin' tonight . .
'bout Willow's daughter Gwen . .
thinkin' that I'll bet Gwen must be creative enough, resourceful enough and bright enough to find a way to look out for herself, even out there on the streets with the help of her Guardian Angel, even if she forgets to ask . .
thinkin' 'bout how difficult it is to worry about our loved ones from afar when we feel so helpless . .
and 'bout how when we ourselves are in tough situations, it isn't nearly as bad as it is for our loved ones because we are in the moment focused on problem-solving . .
Yes, a bright, creative, resourceful 16 year old CAN problem-solve.
*Surrounding her with White Light and Releasing her care to Our Maker*
LadyPhoenix
11-12-2005, 10:50 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that i have heard from Gwen tonight ... she is okay .... but i have been advised in what i am allowed to and not to post....
Daddy and i want to thank You all SO very much ... for the prayers and kind messages to my Gwen ... we believe that it is because of your diligence and love that she was guided to contact me tonight ... i am so grateful to have heard from her... that one more night i know that my baby is alive .... thank you all so much for your gentle words... we know that this is what brought her to us!
And thank you all so very much for the love you have so generously shared!
we are ... respectfully yours,
Syr Thomas and willow
offroadbutch
11-12-2005, 10:58 PM
I'm glad that youve heard from her.
HotNSassy
11-12-2005, 11:15 PM
That's wonderful news, Willow. So happy she's okay!
leenuttykoop
11-12-2005, 11:34 PM
Thanks Gwen for calling your mom!
You gave her a wonderful gift!
I'm glad you're safe!
Koop
MaineButch
11-12-2005, 11:37 PM
That is GREAT news!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll keep a positive mind and still pray for her to get back to where she belongs.........this is WONDERFUL news!!!!!!!!!!!
MB
bull dog
11-13-2005, 12:35 AM
Willow, it's good to know you heard from her.
Tommi
11-13-2005, 01:36 AM
"Gwen is alive, Gwen is alive.She's okay"
As I was putting the phone to my ear..she kept repeating it..I will Never forget that moment. It keeps making my eyes leak..
You know how it feels when you come up after swimming underwater, and you get that first breath of air....Well, I think I felt like I was swimming under water for a weeeeeek...
Gwen , you go girl You have been Hugged so hard from this group you would have thought I could hear you all the way to my house. I feel as happy as my team winning Monday Night FOOOOOOOTTTBall..., and that is preeeTy happy.....Think I'll go put her birthdate numbers in and buy a lottery ticket..
Tommi
11-13-2005, 01:48 AM
so I was thinkin' tonight . .
'bout Willow's daughter Gwen . .
thinkin' that I'll bet Gwen must be creative enough, resourceful enough and bright enough to find a way to look out for herself, even out there on the streets with the help of her Guardian Angel, even if she forgets to ask . .
thinkin' 'bout how difficult it is to worry about our loved ones from afar when we feel so helpless . .
and 'bout how when we ourselves are in tough situations, it isn't nearly as bad as it is for our loved ones because we are in the moment focused on problem-solving . .
Yes, a bright, creative, resourceful 16 year old CAN problem-solve.
*Surrounding her with White Light and Releasing her care to Our Maker*
Ditto.... ;) ... And ..hey.....If my Mom were still alive I would be hearing it from her. (8) (8) ..reminding me of what I did at Gwen's age.....Hey...guess I did.I heard ya Ma..PHEW, and I came out okay!!...DID so.. ;) .
MzMic
11-13-2005, 04:58 AM
Gwen (f) ~ it is such a wonderful feeling to check this thread this morning and know that you have been in touch with your Mom. You have put a big smile in the hearts of many people this morning.
Willow (f) ~ Greatbighugehug to you. Get some sleep sis.
Tommi (f) ~ while I have always enjoyed the eloquence of your words, it has been more than comforting to watch your love and support of Willow. I am so glad that you two found each other.
LadyPhoenix
11-13-2005, 08:39 AM
Despite having heard from Gwen... she is still out there somewhere... as best i know... on the streets of San Diego ... or somewhere in Southern California... with or without help .... is unknown...
i continue to ask your prayers and support of her... and to please, please keep Your eyes and heart open for her...
Everyone here has been so incredibly wonderful... supportive of both Gwen and myself... the love here is phenomenal and i am sure that it was your prayers and love, the kind and generous offers of friendship and support, the messages that you have left for her which brought my baby girl to let me know she is around and about. She mentioned how scared she was but not where she is .... so i beg of you all ... please... keep praying for her... to add to the strength she already has... she's an amazing young lady ... but still ... even for someone my age... starting all over with nothing... in an unknown place would be incredibly difficult... for a sixteen year old... it will prove to be the challenge of a lifetime and all the white light energy that can be sent to her ... will be appreciated and needed!
Thank you ... all of you ... for being the wonderful friends/ family you are..
willow
LadyPhoenix
11-13-2005, 08:40 AM
*whispers* Daddy ... thank You ... i would have stopped breathing if it hadn't been for Your reminders... to ... breathe!
willow
1PlayfulFemme
11-13-2005, 09:11 AM
Darling Willow and Kind Syr Tommi -
I am so thankful that at the very least you got to HEAR her voice. What a night that must have been for you! I hope that soon, you KNOW that she is safe every day.
You all will continue to be in my thoughts and prayers (along with Gwen, of course). There couldn't have been a better way to wake up today!!! I know it isn't the final result....but, what a wonderful relief this must have been for both of you!!!
*hugs and much love*
LadyPhoenix
11-13-2005, 05:12 PM
Dearest All... i can't thank you ... each and every one of you ... enough for your gentle and kind support ... your prayers and energies...
i have heard again from Gwen tonight and i honestly feel that we are getting closer to finding exactly where she is ... and talking her into coming home. It was wonderful... more than wonderful to hear my darling baby girls voice on the phone ... even if it was filled with tears... and ... frightened... terribly so. She is still unwilling to share her exact whereabouts... although we do know that she remains somewhere in San Diego
i have never heard my daughter sound so small, and frightened and alone... and so i come to you asking once more ... to keep praying for her... because ... i know that it's the gentle love that this family has poured out to her that has brought her this far... and maybe... with just a tiny bit more... we can bring my baby back to me...
this has been... one heckova trip ... the rollercoaster ride of a lifetime... i am ... indebted to each and every one of you ... and filled with an awe and respect for the people who have contributed to giving my daughter the love and energy she continues to need to survive on the streets of this far away city ... which is so much bigger than the one she is from ...
Brightest Blessings... and again ... my family and i, Daddy, Gwen, my mother and son... thank all of you .. each of you ... from the bottom of our hearts
Respectfully with love and awe,
willow
HotNSassy
11-13-2005, 05:45 PM
Hi Gwen!
It must be awfully scary to be in your position ~ you're out of the group home and on your own but you might not be quite ready 'cause you're all alone in a strange, big city.
You have some choices . . You could stay out on the streets or you could return to the group home.
If you stay out on the streets, you will continue to be scared and you might not get your needs met. You could even deal yourself a lifetime of streetlife just like you're living right now if you choose to stay now.
On the other hand, if you choose to go back, you know you will have some consequences and rules to follow and it's not your family you'd be living with. I know that sucks ~ but you WOULD be safe and have clothes, food and shelter. REMEMBER, IT'S NOT FOREVER! You're already 16! You could take advantage of some of the independent living programs and other benefits for kids who have been in group homes to help you be better prepared for when you 18 and emancipating. Sounds like you were doing pretty well to have been transferred to a Transitional Living Program. Sure, you'd have to work back up to that but you could do it. And in the meantime, you are inching closer to age 18.
And you would be safe, warm and have plenty of food to eat. The choice is yours . .
Sending you White Light energy to surround you with warmth and protection.
Take care, Gwen!
Hot
leenuttykoop
11-13-2005, 07:28 PM
Dear Gwen
Thank you for calling your mom again!
You continue to give her a great gift in that!
I know that you are scared and alone and I just wanted to let you know that I'm still here if you want to talk! Again my email is koopmanls3@yahoo.com (koopmanls3@yahoo.com). You can also ask your mom for my phone number. Feel free to call me at anytime. Trust me there really is no inconvient hour since FemN swears I never sleep. ;)
I know sometimes it's really easy to look at the here and now. As you decide what to do look at the big picture, what could each decision bring you down the line. In going home, like hot said, you'll have consequences, yet you know what they are and you have something to build on. The consequences of staying on the street seem so much bigger and so unknown with less to build on.
Through this experience you have shown that you are smart, resourceful, a fighter, and a survivor. I have confidence that you could accomplish quite a bit if you give yourself a chance.
I'm here if you need a friendly voice and ear!
Koop
1PlayfulFemme
11-13-2005, 07:57 PM
I can't even begin to say how happy this thread has made me!!! Just a couple of days ago, my heart was breaking for Willow, Gwen, and Tommi....to know..that Gwen is at least making contact...is HUGE!!!
Positive engery, prayers, and many, many thoughts a day continue to go out to all of you!!!
{{{ Gwen }}}, thank you for the obvious happiness you have brought to your mama!! I can't even begin to try to be as eloquent as some of the other posters. But, I am glad you are safe...I am glad you contacted your mama...and I am so very thankful that you are okay! Please, continue to take good care of yourself!!!!
{{{ Willow and Tommi }}}, you know how to find me if ever you need me. I don't know what I could do at this point, but I'm always here. :) Much love to both of you!
Drifter
11-14-2005, 12:19 PM
Gwen sending you lots of love and courage, and that you contacted your mom, which really made me smile. Tommi and Willow, hopefully you can get some sleep soon.
Drifter
FemNLeatherNLace
11-14-2005, 12:22 PM
~Gwen....
..... ty darlin' for bein you (l)
Tommi
11-14-2005, 02:56 PM
I can't even begin to say how happy this thread has made me!!! Just a couple of days ago, my heart was breaking for Willow, Gwen, and Tommi....to know..that Gwen is at least making contact...is HUGE!!!
Positive engery, prayers, and many, many thoughts a day continue to go out to all of you!!!
{{{ Gwen }}}, thank you for the obvious happiness you have brought to your mama!! I can't even begin to try to be as eloquent as some of the other posters. But, I am glad you are safe...I am glad you contacted your mama...and I am so very thankful that you are okay! Please, continue to take good care of yourself!!!!
{{{ Willow and Tommi }}}, you know how to find me if ever you need me. I don't know what I could do at this point, but I'm always here. :) Much love to both of you!
Your post spoke of love. It IS Eloquent. (l)
And You are reaching out and making the bump..which speaks to her. ;)
Please come back
1PlayfulFemme
11-14-2005, 04:48 PM
*Smiling* Darling Tommi, I will be back each day - several times...even if I'm not signed in, I always check here first to see if there have been any changes.
My mother bought me a breast cancer awareness bracelet - with a charm that speaks the truest words.. "Together, we CAN make a difference"...that is my hope and wish with this thread....
*hugs* thanks for your sweet words...I hope you all are doing well!
leenuttykoop
11-14-2005, 07:40 PM
Gwen,
I hope you are safe and warm sweety!
Thinking about you and wishing the best for you! ;)
Koop
MaineButch
11-14-2005, 08:51 PM
I will NOT give up till your safe and warm!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also being in contact with your mother......she really is your best friend..........you just dont see it now Gwen!!!!!!!!! :)
Stay safe and call.......<smiles!!!!!!!!!!>
MB
blk3953
11-14-2005, 09:31 PM
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{peace to you on your journey home, Gwen... (f) }}}}}}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ ({) lots of hugs & peace for Willow & Tommi & family (}) }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Tommi
11-14-2005, 10:12 PM
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{peace to you on your journey home, Gwen... (f) }}}}}}}}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ ({) lots of hugs & peace for Willow & Tommi & family (}) }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
((((((blk3953)))) (l)
60°F at 8:42 pm (S) in San Diego. 11/14/05. Hope Gwen can get into a shelter tonight.
Monday Night Football is on...and The Philadelphia Eagles are behind Dallas Cowboys by 1....20 to 21...
I had popcorn, Diet Coke for supper...
Wondering how many street kids are there in America..and what they had for dinner.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 09:35 AM
Dear Gwen
Thank you for calling your mom again!
You continue to give her a great gift in that!
I know that you are scared and alone and I just wanted to let you know that I'm still here if you want to talk! Again my email is koopmanls3@yahoo.com (koopmanls3@yahoo.com). You can also ask your mom for my phone number. Feel free to call me at anytime. Trust me there really is no inconvient hour since FemN swears I never sleep. ;)
I know sometimes it's really easy to look at the here and now. As you decide what to do look at the big picture, what could each decision bring you down the line. In going home, like hot said, you'll have consequences, yet you know what they are and you have something to build on. The consequences of staying on the street seem so much bigger and so unknown with less to build on.
Through this experience you have shown that you are smart, resourceful, a fighter, and a survivor. I have confidence that you could accomplish quite a bit if you give yourself a chance.
I'm here if you need a friendly voice and ear!
Koop
Dear Koop,
You are the calendar man of the hour. That bar graph is just frowing..Good looking doggie too........
It is to be 80 degrees today, so Gwen will get a touch of the San Diego sunshine.
Feeling uneasy, and queasy as the time grows ..maybe Gwen is are, maybe today whe will take time to feel the warmth ofthe sun and the safe love of those that want to protect her.
i'm trying real hard to not say a word...but we all know how good i am at that.
this entire situation is outrageous.
my dog, let alone my daughter, goes missing--and i'm calling actual authorities that can be of assistance.
thats all i'm saying.
dress
I am a mother and I can tell you this without question. Mess with my kids and honey Hell has no furry like a pissed off southern Mama! I would be in CA and I would have stomped her ass. When she did not call and let me know my child was there! OH HELL NO! Someone would have their ass handed to them!
Glad that you heard from her..
But I don't have your temper mine goes south fast!!
csgoddess
11-15-2005, 10:29 AM
I woke up this morning thinking of Gwen and Willow.
Be safe Gwen, I hope you know how many people you can reach out to who will help you. Sometimes the hardest thing to do is reach out and admit we can't got it alone anymore. But once you do, it will all be alright, of that I am certain.
Willow, take care of yourself sweetie! You need to be strong for her and you need to be good to yourself in order to do that.
Sending my love to both of you.
(k) (l)
-CS
Tommi
11-15-2005, 10:59 AM
I am a mother and I can tell you this without question. Mess with my kids and honey Hell has no furry like a pissed off southern Mama! I would be in CA and I would have stomped her ass. When she did not call and let me know my child was there! OH HELL NO! Someone would have their ass handed to them!
Well, you know the saying.......every Dog has Hys day, and Dahlin
....sometimes ya just have to wait for that cracklin fat cornbread to bake..while you are cookin for ole Uncle Sammy'....
When you bring someone cross country, then went nuts, and she ended up on the darkend street with nothing but homeless people and the Mexican border just down the road. Not be bright enough to make sure things were done safely when she found out she slept in the same bed as a minor...To not porvide a safety net, or have a plan for a child's protection just sucks.
She had a plan to get her 2,700 miles from home. She provided the cell phone that she talked with her on while Gwen was in protective custody. She provided the bus ticket to help her escape, and now be a double fugitive, afraid to go home and face detention and the medication she needs.....She hatched the plan to bring a child across state lines. She used the internet to do so. This 47 year old woman desired a young attractive 18 year old..(who turned out to be 16)...Oh boy,what a catch, what a jock..
It makes me want to PUKE..
What kind of sick bastard would save their ass and jeopradize that of a child and not give her a stinkin dollar for a phone call as she went out the door...2,700 miles from home...
well, like you said ...a pissed off southrn Mama and a Warrior Stonebutch Leather Daddy are going to see to it that this unjustice is righted..
As each minute ticks by her life is in danger....and that bastard sits in her warm house.
Drifter
11-15-2005, 12:14 PM
I'm hardly on this site, but lately I check a couple times a day. Tommi & Willow if theirs is anything I can do please e-mail me.
Sweet Gwen, I think about you often, your always in my thought's and prayers. Please come home soon.... Everyone misses you!!!
Drifter
TexasCowboi
11-15-2005, 12:18 PM
Well, you know the saying.......every Dog has Hys day, and Dahlin
....sometimes ya just have to wait for that cracklin fat cornbread to bake..while you are cookin for ole Uncle Sammy'....
When you bring someone cross country, then went nuts, and she ended up on the darkend street with nothing but homeless people and the Mexican border just down the road. Not be bright enough to make sure things were done safely when she found out she slept in the same bed as a minor...To not porvide a safety net, or have a plan for a child's protection just sucks.
She had a plan to get her 2,700 miles from home. She provided the cell phone that she talked with her on while Gwen was in protective custody. She provided the bus ticket to help her escape, and now be a double fugitive, afraid to go home and face detention and the medication she needs.....She hatched the plan to bring a child across state lines. She used the internet to do so. This 47 year old woman desired a young attractive 18 year old..(who turned out to be 16)...Oh boy,what a catch, what a jock..
It makes me want to PUKE..
What kind of sick bastard would save their ass and jeopradize that of a child and not give her a stinkin dollar for a phone call as she went out the door...2,700 miles from home...
well, like you said ...a pissed off southrn Mama and a Warrior Stonebutch Leather Daddy are going to see to it that this unjustice is righted..
As each minute ticks by her life is in danger....and that bastard sits in her warm house.
well Tommi.... there may be a pissed off Southrn Mama..and a Warrior Stonebutch LeatherDaddy who are goin to see to it that justice is served..... but dont forget about this community as a whole, who will assist Ya in seein' to it as well.......
Karma is a bitch..... turn about is fair play......
rest assured, the justice system will prevail on this one....
Well, you know the saying.......every Dog has Hys day, and Dahlin
....sometimes ya just have to wait for that cracklin fat cornbread to bake..while you are cookin for ole Uncle Sammy'....
When you bring someone cross country, then went nuts, and she ended up on the darkend street with nothing but homeless people and the Mexican border just down the road. Not be bright enough to make sure things were done safely when she found out she slept in the same bed as a minor...To not porvide a safety net, or have a plan for a child's protection just sucks.
She had a plan to get her 2,700 miles from home. She provided the cell phone that she talked with her on while Gwen was in protective custody. She provided the bus ticket to help her escape, and now be a double fugitive, afraid to go home and face detention and the medication she needs.....She hatched the plan to bring a child across state lines. She used the internet to do so. This 47 year old woman desired a young attractive 18 year old..(who turned out to be 16)...Oh boy,what a catch, what a jock..
It makes me want to PUKE..
What kind of sick bastard would save their ass and jeopradize that of a child and not give her a stinkin dollar for a phone call as she went out the door...2,700 miles from home...
well, like you said ...a pissed off southrn Mama and a Warrior Stonebutch Leather Daddy are going to see to it that this unjustice is righted..
As each minute ticks by her life is in danger....and that bastard sits in her warm house.
My temper would get the best of me!!!
LadyPhoenix
11-15-2005, 12:37 PM
no Kai... your temper wouldn't get the best of you... you would do what any mother does.... and set aside yourself.... and only focus on what is in the best interest of the child... yes... i want to lose my temper... i have thrown things... yelled.... screamed... cried through 3 boxes of kleenex... but when daylight comes... i have to put me away ... and put my daughters best interest in place... keep cool and calm and level headed so as not to be the hysterical lunatic when i call SDPD every day and Henrico PD every day and the probation officer and the guardian ad litum... and ask them what they are doing to find my daughter and how come she isn't safe and sound yet? ... you do what you have to .... i am hysterical... at nights... alone in my bed... wondering... where my Gwen is ... how she is ... who is touching her or hurting her or saying what to her.... and how did this come to be???
willow aching
LadyPhoenix
11-15-2005, 12:43 PM
i'm still wondering who the actual authorities that can be of assistance are... because i have called every type of authority i can sans the national guard and president...
how many children are where my Gwen is tonight? on the streets, hungry, scared, alone and lonely and confused... and what is really being done to help them... to make things better?? our "system" is so huge and so overwhelming that by the time someone gets around to trying to do anything... there's nothing that can be done but stand there and stare and wonder what you are going to do with so many thousands of children... and to boot... anything that happens to make it better... won't happen today or even tomorrow... we have to make a stand... every single person in America and scream out about how WRONG it is to abandon our children this way ... but to do that ... we have to convince those people who feel it isn't their problem ... that it really is ..
*sighs* willow aching
Tommi
11-15-2005, 12:44 PM
I'm hardly on this site, but lately I check a couple times a day. Tommi & Willow if theirs is anything I can do please e-mail me.
Sweet Gwen, I think about you often, your always in my thought's and prayers. Please come home soon.... Everyone misses you!!!
Drifter
I can't thank you enough Drifter.. (l) ...This keeps the lights on guys. Without you all it would be pretty dark for us right now. You have no idea how important you all are, and keeping this thread alive with your support. remember to bump..
well Tommi.... there may be a pissed off Southrn Mama..and a Warrior Stonebutch LeatherDaddy who are goin to see to it that justice is served..... but dont forget about this community as a whole, who will assist Ya in seein' to it as well.......
Karma is a bitch..... turn about is fair play......
rest assured, the justice system will prevail on this one....
Bless You Texas Cowboi. It is so hard to swallow this rage. Your notes bring tears of relief. We shall make them hear us. We are a proud group and we will not be silenced and we will not be closested. We are a strong bunch Gwennie and we will get you home and safe. You have all of us with you Kiddo.
Favor here...Counting on you guys to keep the love flowing if willow and I are off line.
Tuesday November 15, 2005
Tommi
11-15-2005, 01:15 PM
I can't thank you enough Drifter.. (l) ...This keeps the lights on guys. Without you all it would be pretty dark for us right now. You have no idea how important you all are, and keeping this thread alive with your support. remember to bump..
Bless You Texas Cowboi. It is so hard to swallow this rage. Your notes bring tears of relief. We shall make them hear us. We are a proud group and we will not be silenced and we will not be closested. We are a strong bunch Gwennie and we will get you home and safe. You have all of us with you Kiddo.
Favor here...Counting on you guys to keep the love flowing if willow and I are off line.
Tuesday November 15, 2005
http://www.missingkids.com/ type in Strauss ,Virginia
Tommi
11-15-2005, 01:25 PM
http://www.missingkids.com/ type in Strauss ,Virginia
GWENDOLYN FAYE STRAUSS
Missing Since: 10/31/05
Age Now: 16
Missing from:
RICHMOND, VA
View Poster
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children
micpfef
11-15-2005, 01:51 PM
I will preface this to say that I have not checked out all of the links and numbers (some are california only numbers so kind of difficult from here - Indiana).
Gwen,
Being on the streets is hard for anyone and I hope you are reaching out to people and using your smarts to know who to stay away from. Some of these numbers are staffed by kids for kids so you can feel safer maybe talking to them. I used to do outreach to kids here in Indianapolis so I know some of the stories. I hope you will reach out to someone someplace and stay in touch with your mother and the ones who care about you.
I think I weeded out the religious groups from the list so you don't have to put up with that. Most of these places will put you first and take care of your needs with the hope of getting you back to your family. You have rights Gwen and if you are anything like your mother you have a good head on your shoulders (okay I am tired today I almost typed a good shoulder on your head here). Use your smarts to weigh the situation and see the benefit of getting help.
Gentle hugs to you Gwen and wishing you warmth and comfort tonight.
Michele
Teen Line Hotline
Every evening 6:00pm to 10:00pm Pacific Standard Time
1-800-TLC-TEEN
(1-800-852-8336)
or
310-855-HOPE
(310-855-4673)
Angel’s Flight
800-833-2499
24 hours a day, 7 days a week
Emergency shelter for ages 10-17. Provides a place to stay for 21 days. Family and child counseling, therapy, outreach program.
All services are free.
California Youth Crisis Line
800-843-5200
24 hours a day, 7 days a week
www.ccyfc.org
Crisis phone counseling ages 12-24.
Covenant House California
800-999-9999
24 hours a day, 7 days a week
www.covenanthouse.org
Hotline for troubled teens ages 18-20. Referrals, information, crisis intervention
and health clinic.
Girls & Boys Town National Hotline
24 hours a day, 7 days a week
800-448-3000
www.girlsandboystown.org
Specialize in family reunification of runaways and homeless ages 11-17, counseling and placement referrals.
Los Angeles Youth Supportive Services
M-F 11am-6pm
Toll Free 24 hr. Crisis Hotline 877-465-2577
www.la-youth.org
Counseling, referrals, education, street outreach.
My Friend's Place
888-968-8450
www.myfriendsplace.com
M-F 12-4:30pm
Drop-in resource center for runaways.
Ages 12-24.
Youth Link of America
800-722-9760
24 hours, 7 days a week
Outreach and referrals. Resource center for runaways & homeless youth.
Casa Youth Hotline
(800) 914-CASA or (800) 914-2272
Travelers Aid Society of Los Angeles - Teen Canteen
1720 N. Gower Street, Los Angeles, CA 90028
323/468-2500
no Kai... your temper wouldn't get the best of you... you would do what any mother does.... and set aside yourself.... and only focus on what is in the best interest of the child... yes... i want to lose my temper... i have thrown things... yelled.... screamed... cried through 3 boxes of kleenex... but when daylight comes... i have to put me away ... and put my daughters best interest in place... keep cool and calm and level headed so as not to be the hysterical lunatic when i call SDPD every day and Henrico PD every day and the probation officer and the guardian ad litum... and ask them what they are doing to find my daughter and how come she isn't safe and sound yet? ... you do what you have to .... i am hysterical... at nights... alone in my bed... wondering... where my Gwen is ... how she is ... who is touching her or hurting her or saying what to her.... and how did this come to be???
willow aching
I am sorry your hurting. I can't imagen the pain that would bring! My kids have now and always come first in my life.... The not knowing would do me in.. But I can tell you I would be in CA and I would have already kicked her ass for sending her all that then letting her out into the nights alone!
You would see one short, phat, ticked off Mama with steam coming out her ears and what ever else until I got my hands on her! I don't care if I had to walk, fly or drive, her butt would be MINE!
Tommi
11-15-2005, 02:37 PM
I am sorry your hurting. I can't imagen the pain that would bring! My kids have now and always come first in my life.... The not knowing would do me in.. But I can tell you I would be in CA and I would have already kicked her ass for sending her all that then letting her out into the nights alone!
You would see one short, phat, ticked off Mama with steam coming out her ears and what ever else until I got my hands on her! I don't care if I had to walk, fly or drive, her butt would be MINE!
WE ARE GOING AFTER GWEN ......REST ASSURED PEOPLE
I really love your fire.It is just like willow's whose hands are being tied by the beurocrats threatening to lock gwen up..so, she is being patient..
For Now Please, The San Diego Police and other agencies are involved with the known party. Willow was advsed by the "system" To Remain at home for Gwen to stay in touch, and as they are working on issues of willow finding her own daughter and being allowed to keep her, so they are not both branded as criminals. Until such time as guardianship and other legal matters are resolved willow shall remain the patient and perservering mother bear.
And Mama bear is coming to visit Papa Bear soon, and we are going to find that baby girl cub.., even if Lady Phoenix risks going to jail.
So, we just love the fact that you are bumping and grinding this thread along.because. It is the grass roots efforts of this web site that is getting the information out to the community , the posters up, and the information to the authorities. And we believe Gwen to be able to read her messages here.
If you have information please contact the
National Center for Missing & Exploited Children at thelink below..
leenuttykoop
11-15-2005, 03:05 PM
I'm hardly on this site, but lately I check a couple times a day. Tommi & Willow if theirs is anything I can do please e-mail me.
Sweet Gwen, I think about you often, your always in my thought's and prayers. Please come home soon.... Everyone misses you!!!
Drifter
I'm trying to minimize my time on here, but like you I keep coming on to check this thread and my e-mail. Just hoping Gwen has reached out to someone!
Gwen my heart goes out to you! Although you may physically be a lone, many of us are there with you and spirit, sending our love and protection out to you! (l)
You and your mom are truly loved by many here!
Stay safe and know that we are here to help any way we can!
Koop
sexylezfemme
11-15-2005, 03:42 PM
Just wanted to let everyone know that i have heard from Gwen tonight ... she is okay .... but i have been advised in what i am allowed to and not to post....
Daddy and i want to thank You all SO very much ... for the prayers and kind messages to my Gwen ... we believe that it is because of your diligence and love that she was guided to contact me tonight ... i am so grateful to have heard from her... that one more night i know that my baby is alive .... thank you all so much for your gentle words... we know that this is what brought her to us!
And thank you all so very much for the love you have so generously shared!
we are ... respectfully yours,
Syr Thomas and willow
I just went through this myself , i know how relived you are to know she is ok , my daughter was taken outta state to Calif , and they beat her up and put her out on the street, thats the only way she got away , thank the Goddess that we have the internet to help spread the news of stuff.............. SHe is back home ive had to change my home # and she has been in a safe place since then ........ HE can not get to her anymore , i started crying over this cause i know the nightmare you went through .... sunny put my cry for help on bf.com for me ..... i wasent able to...... May the Goddess bless you and your family and keep you all safe .......
sexylezfemme (k)
Ceilidh
11-15-2005, 07:01 PM
You've heard it before, but y'all are still in my prayers. At the risk of sounding like a Republican, stay the the course, and have faith. I truly believe that she will come home. You're right that there is no sense in adding a casualty to the situation by getting yourself locked up. (w)
({) (})
hugs to you.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 07:42 PM
You've heard it before, but y'all are still in my prayers. At the risk of sounding like a Republican, stay the the course, and have faith. I truly believe that she will come home. You're right that there is no sense in adding a casualty to the situation by getting yourself locked up. (w)
({) (})
hugs to you.
Ceilidh did you sign Gwennie's picture in my gallery?
Yahhhooooo MOuntain deeeeeewwwwwwwwww.. Just needed to yell ,and knew you would understand..
We are on course and you are filling our sails with the love , the faith, and the bump, that is keeping thos public. I agree with you..that we will find her,and get her to some kind of mediation other than the final way out.
LadyPhoenix
11-15-2005, 07:44 PM
i heard today ... that 2300 children go missing every day in the USA ... my daughter... just one of thousands of screaming faces that haunt my dreams at night now ... i miss her... i ache for her ... this feeling of helplessness... and terror... the horror that keeps me awake night after night... compounded by 2300 ... what is WRONG with our world that this can happen?? where do they all go to???
Sexylez... i remember your achings... your pain... it is what gave me the courage to post here asking for help ... i am so glad your little one is home ... safe again ... and so sad that she had to experiance that... this has to stop ... this thing which is happening to our world... we have to as parents... make a stand against it ... we need to teach other parents what horrors truly are out there... and when these people become known to us... share their names... their faces ... their addresses and everything we can find out about them ... with the world... one at a time... they will be exposed and stopped... there are no mistakes... no amount of ignorance which allows this to be excuseable... i am here for you ... mother to mother... if ever you need a friend to discuss your daughters nightmare...
Respectfully,
willow, aching
Tommi
11-15-2005, 07:49 PM
I just went through this myself , i know how relived you are to know she is ok , my daughter was taken outta state to Calif , and they beat her up and put her out on the street, thats the only way she got away , thank the Goddess that we have the internet to help spread the news of stuff.............. SHe is back home ive had to change my home # and she has been in a safe place since then ........ HE can not get to her anymore , i started crying over this cause i know the nightmare you went through .... sunny put my cry for help on bf.com for me ..... i wasent able to...... May the Goddess bless you and your family and keep you all safe .......
sexylezfemme (k)
My gosh...How incredible, and how blessed you are to get her back.. There have been 53 kids gone missing since taylor Biehls murder, which was in Richmond.
Can I ask Who assited you? Did the Missing Children get involved? It took the State of Virginia 14 days to get the poster ou*&*%#$$%**&^,
because the guardian ad litum needed to approve it. We had the Butch-Femme flyer emailed to members across the country... on the streets and in my gallery within hours of willow finding out..what a group we have here...
Gwennie took a bus acorss country..posters were still sitting in the Child Caren Office in Virginia. Did ya sign her poster in my gallery?
Tommi
11-15-2005, 07:55 PM
i heard today ... that 2300 children go missing every day in the USA ... my daughter... just one of thousands of screaming faces that haunt my dreams at night now ... i miss her... i ache for her ... this feeling of helplessness... and terror... the horror that keeps me awake night after night... compounded by 2300 ... what is WRONG with our world that this can happen?? where do they all go to???
Sexylez... i remember your achings... your pain... it is what gave me the courage to post here asking for help ... i am so glad your little one is home ... safe again ... and so sad that she had to experiance that... this has to stop ... this thing which is happening to our world... we have to as parents... make a stand against it ... we need to teach other parents what horrors truly are out there... and when these people become known to us... share their names... their faces ... their addresses and everything we can find out about them ... with the world... one at a time... they will be exposed and stopped... there are no mistakes... no amount of ignorance which allows this to be excuseable... i am here for you ... mother to mother... if ever you need a friend to discuss your daughters nightmare...
Respectfully,
willow, aching
WE CAN make a difference..look at the grass roots movement this loving group has done willow, .We have flyers from Boston to Porland to the Mexican Border within a day.
Look at the love , when you feel stonger and re-read this thread..
sarai
11-15-2005, 08:50 PM
Hugging on Lady Phoenix...
My town collects a lot of homeless and runaway kids as we're cheaper than California and the weather's nice. Gwen if you're reading this, and you end up in Tucson, please please come to Wingspan or Antigone's books and ask for help. We will help get you home.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 08:57 PM
Hugging on Lady Phoenix...
My town collects a lot of homeless and runaway kids as we're cheaper than California and the weather's nice. Gwen if you're reading this, and you end up in Tucson, please please come to Wingspan or Antigone's books and ask for help. We will help get you home.
(((((((((((((((((((sarai))))))))))))))))))))))TYVM
sarai
11-15-2005, 09:07 PM
Big old squooshy ones backatya... Antigone's rescued me when I ran away from home 5 years ago. I fell asleep in the reading corner and the ownder's well. They rescued me.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 10:01 PM
Big old squooshy ones backatya... Antigone's rescued me when I ran away from home 5 years ago. I fell asleep in the reading corner and the owner's well. They rescued me.
Wow..this seems to be a common thing here>
My Mom and I ran away...when she told my Dad she was gay,and I was already out of the closet.....We.came to the Happiest Place on Earth,and slept in hotel parking lots,and Pearson Park in Los Angeles..and I learned about loose women on the streets of Hollywood...a lifetime ago..but it is burned in there.
Haven't heard from Gwen...called all the hospitals and San Diego PD again....they are cranky about it..and we don't care.....
Ceilidh
11-15-2005, 10:07 PM
So they're cranky. So what? I'm imagining y'all aren't feeling like a bundle of sunshine at this point either. Keep calling, it certainly can't hurt.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 10:20 PM
hope to sleep tonight ..In and out of bed all night (alone ;) )Hope I find a bundle of sunshine tomorrow. ;)
(*) (*) (*)
TY so Ceilidh (f)
sarai
11-15-2005, 10:23 PM
Let 'em be cranky! Doodieheads....
So many of us run for so many reasons. I wish I could take Gwen in my arms, hug her and bring her home to you and Lady Phoenix.
Tommi
11-15-2005, 11:12 PM
Let 'em be cranky! Doodieheads....
So many of us run for so many reasons. I wish I could take Gwen in my arms, hug her and bring her home to you and Lady Phoenix.
(((((((((( (h) (((((((((GWEN))))))))))) (f) )))))))))))
[COLOR=MediumTurquoise]Please ..stay safe, and know that you are loved and we will work it out..
ET & Gwen..phone home Wondering....Do you even know who ET is??
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LadyPhoenix
11-16-2005, 07:20 AM
Everyone felt that being a single parent twice over was too hard... that i shouldn't ... but i held you with pride in my belly feeling you grow over the months... and as my belly swelled so did my love for you... and then i held you in my arms and fell deeply in love for the second time in my life... and it was as if i was falling in love for the very first time all over again... You slept in my arms on my chest, my heart beat lulling you to sleep, your contentment, lulling me... and we would dance in the living room when you wouldn't sleep at night... cutting a tooth or just otherwise angry at being taken from the warmth of my belly into this harsh cold world... and sometimes people would remark that there was a deep sadness in your eyes... but when you did smile it lit up the whole world like the first lighting of the grand illumination downtown at Christmas time... all bright and white and clean and pure... There came a time when i was helpless against your sadness and anger... and exhaustion, confusion and frustration took over and got the best of me, i ran out of resources and ideas as to how to encourage you to behave more appropriately... perhaps you took my frustration as not loving you... but that was never the case inside my heart...
i turned to other people thinking they could help... make something... anything better for you... trusting that professionals would have the resources to make it better... and i was wrong and i failed you by trusting in them... because they didn't have any more knowledge than i did as to how to help you find ways to work around those "short circuit misfirings" that give you wrong information and help make wrong choices ... they couldn't inspire your happiness any more than i did ... and it seems that they only made things worse...
You are gone today ... and every day is a living hell... wondering if you have made it through one more night... wanting more than anything to hold and protect you as i have failed to do so for the past six years... the fury the sadness the aching i feel ... i know, are nothing compared to your own pain and confusion, and i would give anything in the world now to bear those burdens for you ... but i still am helpless and don't know how... all i can do is promise... i will find social workers who love and who can care and who really WILL help and lawyers and doctors and anything else that is needed ... but i will never give up on you ... and i will always be here for you ... but i will not ever betray you again and leave you to those people who say they can help ... when all they can do is stare, overwhelmed by the numbers ... and lack of resources... THIS time i will find someone who really does care... and this time... i will be beside you every single day finding a way to make this work...
Grandma and i have discussed it ... if you will allow me ... and you want it... i will adopt your baby ... and we will all take care of her together... you me and Tommi ... and we will make things right all the way around... promise ... cross my heart and hope to die .. may a spider crawl in my eye..
mom
SweetBlueDiva43
11-16-2005, 11:05 AM
Dearest Gwendolyn....
where ever you are today.....i know that you are feeling hurt and probably have the utmost contempt for a system that let you and your family down.
I wanted to tell you...that although i have no experience in what your particular situation is.....that our class has been doing in depth studies into a system that fails our society....namely foster homes and placement agencies that are "supposed" to aid an individual in their time of loss and crisis. I am appalled at the atrocities commited by policies that are not designed right...:@
I want you to know....that i feel that you can reach out to our community.
Your mother and Tommi are moving heaven and earth to come to your aid and help you to realise that you are loved and cared for and that your safety is their first concern...as well as your baby.
Please...where ever you are.....pick up that phone...call them collect....do what is best for you and your baby....call them. You are loved and adored.
Trust them to help you and bring you back home to where you are loved.
I will be trusting that you will make the right choice in making this attempt to make your life safer and better than it ever was before.
Your friend in the community...and rooting for your happiness.(l) (a) (f)
~ SBD
LadyPhoenix
11-16-2005, 11:25 AM
well here i am ... finishing the last bits of packing up and getting ready to head out ... knowing that Daddy will be miffed cuz suit case is 2 pounds heavier because of Pink M&M's and wondering if there's a lil tomboy femme somewhere in the southern California area who can relieve me of them...
willow, aching
MaineButch
11-16-2005, 11:29 AM
My wish for you Ms willow is only the BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I really hope this trip you will find the peace you and your daughter so deserve. We all know you'll be in WONDERFUL hands who cares for you deeply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will keep sending postive thought and white lights your way~!!!!!!!!!
Stay save.....and may this trip be blessed in more ways than one.... (f)
MB
LadyPhoenix
11-16-2005, 11:29 AM
Dearest Gwendolyn....
where ever you are today.....i know that you are feeling hurt and probably have the utmost contempt for a system that let you and your family down.
I wanted to tell you...that although i have no experience in what your particular situation is.....that our class has been doing in depth studies into a system that fails our society....namely foster homes and placement agencies that are "supposed" to aid an individual in their time of loss and crisis. I am appalled at the atrocities commited by policies that are not designed right...:@
~ SBD
i honesty can't say that it has to do with the design of policies ... so much as it is a system overwhelmed with more than it can handle... being a social worker for the state requires very specific personality profile... someone strong, tender and caring ... who can leave their work at work ... and their home problems at home... it's an extremely difficult balance and so ... although so many come in meaning well... they leave quickly ... horrified to find out that they can't even begin to touch the issues at hand...
walk into a room ... see ... 2300 children standing there... dirty faces... tear stained... hungry, unwanted... and tell me where do you begin? you can't ... they all have the same needs... and in time... you find out that you can't even make a dent in the situation because tomorrow those 2300 will be 4600 and the next day 6900 and the next day 9200 and the next 11500.... and for those 11500 children in less than a week ... there are a handful of people .... and the money which should be going to these lost souls... is going to pay for the murder of thousands more children in another country overseas!
willow, aching
Tommi
11-16-2005, 12:28 PM
Everyone felt that being a single parent twice over was too hard... that i shouldn't ... but i held you with pride in my belly feeling you grow over the months... and as my belly swelled so did my love for you... and then i held you in my arms and fell deeply in love for the second time in my life... and it was as if i was falling in love for the very first time all over again... You slept in my arms on my chest, my heart beat lulling you to sleep, your contentment, lulling me... and we would dance in the living room when you wouldn't sleep at night... cutting a tooth or just otherwise angry at being taken from the warmth of my belly into this harsh cold world... and sometimes people would remark that there was a deep sadness in your eyes... but when you did smile it lit up the whole world like the first lighting of the grand illumination downtown at Christmas time... all bright and white and clean and pure... There came a time when i was helpless against your sadness and anger... and exhaustion, confusion and frustration took over and got the best of me, i ran out of resources and ideas as to how to encourage you to behave more appropriately... perhaps you took my frustration as not loving you... but that was never the case inside my heart...
i turned to other people thinking they could help... make something... anything better for you... trusting that professionals would have the resources to make it better... and i was wrong and i failed you by trusting in them... because they didn't have any more knowledge than i did as to how to help you find ways to work around those "short circuit misfirings" that give you wrong information and help make wrong choices ... they couldn't inspire your happiness any more than i did ... and it seems that they only made things worse...
You are gone today ... and every day is a living hell... wondering if you have made it through one more night... wanting more than anything to hold and protect you as i have failed to do so for the past six years... the fury the sadness the aching i feel ... i know, are nothing compared to your own pain and confusion, and i would give anything in the world now to bear those burdens for you ... but i still am helpless and don't know how... all i can do is promise... i will find social workers who love and who can care and who really WILL help and lawyers and doctors and anything else that is needed ... but i will never give up on you ... and i will always be here for you ... but i will not ever betray you again and leave you to those people who say they can help ... when all they can do is stare, overwhelmed by the numbers ... and lack of resources... THIS time i will find someone who really does care... and this time... i will be beside you every single day finding a way to make this work...
Grandma and i have discussed it ... if you will allow me ... and you want it... i will adopt your baby
...
and we will all take care of her together... you me and Tommi ... and we will make things right all the way around... promise ... cross my heart and hope to die .. may a spider crawl in my eye..
mom
:|
On Butch-Femme.com you can be a Confirmed Bachelor One Month and a Father or Grandfather the next...
LadyPhoenix
11-16-2005, 12:43 PM
:|
On Butch-Femme.com you can be a Confirmed Bachelor One Month and a Father or Grandfather the next...
don't make me have to break out a certain Email Mr. Thomas!
willow ;) (h) :|
tinkerbellash123
11-16-2005, 03:54 PM
I've read and re-read this thread several times, and struggled with wether or not to say anything. I cannot begin to imagine the fear, pain, heartbreak... any of that which i'm sure the mother of a missing child feels. I'm not a mother, so I really don't know. I wanted very much to keep my reply respectful, which, I will make every effort to do. There are many people involved in this thread that I respect greatly, and hold high opinions of.
That being said... There are a lot of assumptions being made here. A lot of hurtful assumptions at that, about the particular person Gwen was staying with when she first arrived in San Diego. I'm sure some of you know, and other's do not... either way, it doesn't matter. But, I know that, eventhough it is not evident in this thread, there are TWO sides to every story. And sometimes in our haste to be helpful, our anger gets the better of us. I do not know what I can and cannot say in regards to things I know... but, I do make a plea to all of you, to please remember that although this thread is in essence helpful, it is hurting someone I am not afraid to say is very dear to me. I don't care what you post or say about this person, I KNOW they are a good person. And, also in need of support right now.
This is undoubtedly a tragedy, as it always is when a child goes missing. My heart goes out to all who are hurting, and I hope you believe that. I just had to say something... I am hoping I do not upset or offend anyone.
SweetChrissy
11-16-2005, 09:40 PM
Tink, I am glad you said something because like you have been struggling to say something too. Because Gwen was and still is close friend of mine. I am really worried about her because I havent heard anything. I got a few links together that might help you Gwen if you are reading this. Thank you!!!
Monarch School (http://www.monarchschools.org/programs.shtml)
SAY San Diego - Social Advocates for Youth (http://www.saysandiego.org/supportprograms.htm)
Juvenile Resources (http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/juvresource.shtml)
San Diego Youth and Community Services
1039 12th Ave
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone: (619) 239-4688
Fax: (619) 239-4058
http://www.sdycs.org/
The Storefront is a 20-bed emergency shelter--the only one in San Diego specifically designed for homeless and runaway youth. Its goal is to return these young people to their families, or to find them independent living arrangements and prevent their sexual exploitation.
Toussaint Teen Center
3350 E Street
San Diego, CA 92102
Phone: (619) 687-1000
http://www.toussaintvillages.org/
A home where teens find refuge from the streets, attend class, receive counseling and build trust.
San Diego Youth and Community Services
3151 Redwood St
San Diego, CA 92104
Phone: (619) 521-3939
Fax: (619) 521-3935
http://www.sdycs.org/
The Bridge and The Gatehouse are temporary residential shelters for young people, between the ages 12 and 17, who are experiencing difficulties in their families or living situations. The goal of the shelters is to reunite families which have been torn apart.
Tommi
11-17-2005, 12:39 AM
Tink, I am glad you said something because like you have been struggling to say something too. Because Gwen was and still is close friend of mine. I am really worried about her because I havent heard anything. I got a few links together that might help you Gwen if you are reading this. Thank you!!!
Monarch School (http://www.monarchschools.org/programs.shtml)
SAY San Diego - Social Advocates for Youth (http://www.saysandiego.org/supportprograms.htm)
Juvenile Resources (http://www.sandiego.gov/police/about/juvresource.shtml)
San Diego Youth and Community Services
1039 12th Ave
San Diego, CA 92101
Phone: (619) 239-4688
Fax: (619) 239-4058
http://www.sdycs.org/
The Storefront is a 20-bed emergency shelter--the only one in San Diego specifically designed for homeless and runaway youth. Its goal is to return these young people to their families, or to find them independent living arrangements and prevent their sexual exploitation.
Toussaint Teen Center
3350 E Street
San Diego, CA 92102
Phone: (619) 687-1000
http://www.toussaintvillages.org/
A home where teens find refuge from the streets, attend class, receive counseling and build trust.
San Diego Youth and Community Services
3151 Redwood St
San Diego, CA 92104
Phone: (619) 521-3939
Fax: (619) 521-3935
http://www.sdycs.org/
The Bridge and The Gatehouse are temporary residential shelters for young people, between the ages 12 and 17, who are experiencing difficulties in their families or living situations. The goal of the shelters is to reunite families which have been torn apart.
Tink, I am glad you said something because like you have been struggling to say something too. Because Gwen was and still is close friend of mine. I am really worried about her because I havent heard anything. I got a few links together that might help you Gwen if you are reading this. Thank you!!!
((( ((((SweetChrissy)))) )))
((( ((((SweetChrissy)))) )))Hope Gwen is able to read your post . Thanks for putting that awesome list together. Since you two were friends, and when we hear from her I will tell her what a good friend you were to help with this list(If she doesn't have computer accesss)?
Have you seen the Missing Child information the authorities put on the internet looking for Gwen. This was after the police interviews, and where she came from and, people trying to find the truth. so, the info ........ is on the worldwide internet.
It is at www.missingkids.com then click on Female, type Virginia, the last name Strauss
Hope and pray that you will have your friend back soon, and we will have Gwen in a safe, loving and friendly place. Keep the ligh on and a smile on your face (l) Tommi
LadyPhoenix
11-17-2005, 02:59 AM
Tink, I am glad you said something because like you have been struggling to say something too. Because Gwen was and still is close friend of mine. I am really worried about her because I havent heard anything. I got a few links together that might help you Gwen if you are reading this. Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for your warm concern SweetChrissy... Gwen has been in touch from time to time to let us know that she is, so far, okay ... i am traveling out this morning and hope to be in contact with social workers, lawyers and such to get things straightened out for her... so that the next time she calls i can tell her ... it's okay .. come home... everything will be fine...
Please continue to keep my Gwen in your thoughts and prayers...
Respectfully, willow
Tommi
11-17-2005, 03:17 AM
Thank you so much for your warm concern SweetChrissy... Gwen has been in touch from time to time to let us know that she is, so far, okay ... i am traveling out this morning and hope to be in contact with social workers, lawyers and such to get things straightened out for her... so that the next time she calls i can tell her ... it's okay .. come home... everything will be fine...
Please continue to keep my Gwen in your thoughts and prayers...
Respectfully, willow
See you at the airport 5:20 PM..it will be about 80 degrees...and you will be ....the one with allll :s the luggage....
I'll be the one packin the big ole grin ;)
We have some great leads, so , come on..we have some neat people to meet and greet. Maybe I'll sleep once you are in the air..Maybe I should go into the office today..they haven't seen me since.... :( ...maybe I should....pace some more...
LadyPhoenix
11-17-2005, 03:20 AM
See you at the airport 5:20 PM..it will be about 80 degrees...and you will be ....the one with allll :s the luggage....
I'll be the one packin the big ole grin ;)
We have some great leads, so , come on..we have some neat people to meet and greet. Maybe I'll sleep once you are in the air..Maybe I should go into the office today..they haven't seen me since.... :( ...maybe I should....pace some more...
without Your red hat HOW will i know You???
willow
Tommi
11-17-2005, 03:26 AM
without Your red hat HOW will i know You???
willow
My hat found a good home.
I will wear a black one that reads 'Dyke Daddy"
Hey. Didja forget..I am the one you spotted from across the room.
(I was asleep then)
LadyPhoenix
11-17-2005, 04:13 AM
My hat found a good home.
I will wear a black one that reads 'Dyke Daddy"
Hey. Didja forget..I am the one you spotted from across the room.
(I was asleep then)
**grins** told Ya .... i'd spot You from across the room too didn't i ??
*laughing* see You in .... 14 hours 5 minutes Syr
willow
1PlayfulFemme
11-17-2005, 10:55 AM
*turns to the side and gives the thread a BUMP with my hip*
I'm in a dancin kinda mood - I have this incredible faith that the ever darling Willow will soon find her Gwen...I've said it before, but I think it bears repeating - She KNOWS beyond a shadow of a doubt what Gwen looks like. Now, I know in a city of millions that may not seem to be a comfort - but..I also believe we are placed where we should be when we should be placed there! I know my lovers walk from anywhere - can recognize her in a crowd - from quite a distance - with her walking away from me. And that's my partner of 5 years - NOT my daughter of 16!! Mama's know....and I trust that Willow will know...and hopefully part of her knowledge will be - where and how her daughter is today.
Tommi - your optimism is astounding, and such a pleasant thing to see!! I know that your strength helps Willow to focus on taking care of matters with Gwen. I thank you for being so wonderful to her!
Gwen - as always, darlin if you can read this, call your mama. Call a contact number listed here. Find a way to get home!! Your mama is on her way to find you - do all you can to make yourself easy to find. Life sucks sometimes...and that fact sucks, but your mama has apologized for any wrongdoing (and I am sure she will continue to) sometimes, the only way to move on in life is to forgive (and let yourself move on). I don't know your whole story - and I don't need to. What I DO know is that your mama loves you more than anything...and she would give anything to find you...there's no greater love in the world than that.
Dear Gwen,
Please make contact and call your mom...and please remember...
that you are very much loved !
Tommi
11-17-2005, 04:36 PM
Gwendolyn Faye Strauss, our willow's babygirl all grown up...
It will be so nice to meet you.
It will be so nice to see you in your Mom's arms.
It will be nice to listen to you and hear what you want to do about your future and ......It will be fun helping you in any way we can.
It will be awesome to hear about the things you have learned on your own, and really may help convince those folks back in Children's Services that you are better, and should be released. May have to do some making up, but not forever Kiddo. Still some things to do, but we have some good things happening. We need you to finish it. We need you to talk it over us.with them, with your Mom, Random, Gramma, me and others by your side..
Now only thing missing is Y-o-u. (l)
Tommi
11-17-2005, 05:25 PM
Gwen...your Mom was interviewd by CBS and ...ripped "them", those folks that hurt and abandoned you, and turned you into just a number...She gave em what for Gwen..We have a lot of people on our side,and we need to get you to a safe place. so..you kwow what you need top do..
Anyone knowing or having Gwen in their presence also needs to know that Gwen can get all this fixed, and better than ever..whatever she needs..
So , please , let her know we are desperate to reach her.
Her Mom is not doing well as it has been 17 days and she is unable to eat and sleep...because she knows Gwen needs more than just a roof over her head, and a hot meal. Willow wants to take care of her. so...we hope to hear someeething....sooon..pleassssse.
My cat went missing for 3 weeks, and well....Gwen is bigger than my Peaches was, and needs to get to a safe house.
KeelyChristine
11-17-2005, 11:25 PM
**Bump**
Just in case!
Good luck from Escondido CA, (Just 10 minutes north of san diego.)
texlostwolf
11-18-2005, 05:20 AM
:|
On Butch-Femme.com you can be a Confirmed Bachelor One Month and a Father or Grandfather the next...
:s OK Tommi & Willow I have just realized that it is 6am and I have been on here since 1am, looking & reading up and down this thread. I am tired and need to get some sleep before I get to do my 2hrs of babysitting this afternoon. You are going to have to just TELL ME when did Gwen have a baby??? As far as I can tell this is the first mention of a baby, does the baby have something to do with why she ran away? Why is it that all of us that have been so behind you & stood up for you have been kept in the dark about this very Large piece of information? I don't want to get angry or judge but I do think you need to go ahead and fill in the blanks now........
"Willow you got some splanin' to do...................."
lighthouselover
11-18-2005, 05:34 AM
~~checking in to see if there's any news~~~~
MaineButch
11-18-2005, 05:55 AM
TEX............
I'm tryin not to be rude here.................but...
Ms Willow doesn't need to "EXPLAIN" anything to us!!!!!! Sometimes the less we know....the better. It is a family dynamic that none of us "Need or Deserve" to know. As she has stated before, there is informaton she was told to keep to herself. She didn't come here to spill the whole life story. She only wanted prayers and positive flowing her way for her family in this time of need. Sure.......if any of us could help that is just iceing on the cake.
I am "APPALLED" that you think she has some "EXPLAINNING" to do. We are NOT the law and don't need to know everything in order to stand behind her.
If you can't support her because she hasn't told us everything..........then so be it. There are PLENTY here and people in her real life to stand behind her during this time of need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't because you don't know "EVERYTHING"......then I suggest you keep you thoughts to yourself and don't bother posting here again!!!!! <growls>
So....do me a favor...and fill in "MY" blank _ _ _ _ _ _ _!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MB<who is livid over this post>!!!!!!!!!!!!!
texlostwolf
11-18-2005, 08:13 AM
TEX............
I'm tryin not to be rude here.................but...
Ms Willow doesn't need to "EXPLAIN" anything to us!!!!!! Sometimes the less we know....the better. It is a family dynamic that none of us "Need or Deserve" to know. As she has stated before, there is informaton she was told to keep to herself. She didn't come here to spill the whole life story. She only wanted prayers and positive flowing her way for her family in this time of need. Sure.......if any of us could help that is just iceing on the cake.
I am "APPALLED" that you think she has some "EXPLAINNING" to do. We are NOT the law and don't need to know everything in order to stand behind her.
If you can't support her because she hasn't told us everything..........then so be it. There are PLENTY here and people in her real life to stand behind her during this time of need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you can't because you don't know "EVERYTHING"......then I suggest you keep you thoughts to yourself and don't bother posting here again!!!!! <growls>
So....do me a favor...and fill in "MY" blank _ _ _ _ _ _ _!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MB<who is livid over this post>!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For someone that didn't want to be rude you sure did a good job of it:|
Take some deep breaths and pull your claws back in bro I was not being mean or disrespectful to my friend Willow in any way. As a matter of fact I made sure to be as lighthearted as possible about it. I am sure that if it was something that they Did Not want to "Explain" then they would not have both brought it up in two seperate posts..........I actually thought I was simply taking the bait they were putting out......... In other words I thought they wanted to be asked!;) Especially Tommi's comment about being a bachlor one month and then a Father or Grandfather the next.
I tell you what Mr MainButch I am just Livid over you not taking the time to realize that "hey this is Tex maybe I should look at some of the post around the one hy's quoting before I assume hy ment this in a bad way, because Tex is pretty kewl."
When you get your foot out of your mouth you owe me big time!
Drifter
11-18-2005, 09:48 AM
Tommi & Willow just checking in....Still sending prayers...Hopefully your sweet child will be home soon........
Drifter
Daddy Rhon
11-18-2005, 09:57 AM
Let's be respectful how we as a community handle this situation. As it states when you sign up, we do not allow members under 18 on this site. I would like to help in any way that I can. Willow, if you could PM and tell me her screen name, I can safely track any activity from my end. Let's please be careful over any rumors or assumptions and all do what we as a caring community to help.
SyrHurly
11-18-2005, 11:17 AM
I have to agree with Rhon that great care must be taken in the handling of this situation. It seems that with each passing day since the start of this thread ( not the start of the situation which started far prior), more information becomes slowly revealed in bits and pieces that make it terribly hard to put it all together.
My greatest hopes are that no more harm comes to this young girl nor that innocent people get hurt in the fallout of the whole situation. We are watching as someone in our own community is being labeled a "predator" and "perpetrator" on one hand, while it was already stated that she/ hy ( alleged predator") was misled by the youth. We were told that hy/she "put Gwen onto the streets" and also told that Gwen was "asked to leave". While minute, the differences in these two statements are monumental.
I saw the newscast that Tommi mentioned previous wherein Lady Phoenix
..."ripped "them", those folks that hurt and abandoned you, and turned you into just a number...She gave em what for Gwen..We have a lot of people on our side,and we need to get you to a safe place. so..you kwow what you need top do.." ( quoted from Tommi's post)
I need to say what I saw and what I heard in that newscast ( which I have recorded). The topic was on missing/exploited children and focused on kids who runaway and in particular those who are exploited by lurking predators on the internet. It was reported that Gwen went to San Diego to be a part of a "lesbian love triangle" under the financing of a "47 year old woman in San Diego." A photo was shown on that report of a member of this site focusing ( zooming in on) one person in the photograph that has NOTHING to do with any of this!!! One of our respected members has been posted on the Richmond news, a CBS affiliate as a predator of children via the internet.
I'm physically sickened that facts are being twisted and now INNOCENT people are being villanized in the media without even knowing it.
As I said above, it is our duty as a community to lend support to members in need and distress and in honor of this duty I pray for Gwen's safety. It is further our responsibility to take great care and heed when posting information with half-truths and incomplete data.
It was stated early on in this unfolding tragedy on 11-09 a day after the thread was started that Gwen had already contacted her mother, that she was alive and safe. It was stated the following day ...
"Gwen, with the help of an adult... made her way westward on the first of November, and arrived in California sometime around the 4th. She was last seen in the San Diego area, although she has since left the adult who she was with after they saw this thread and confronted her about her age. "
If we are to read this and this alone we see that Gwen did in fact run away and then "ran away again" when confronted with the truth of her age by the ALLEGED predator. The great sadness in this all is that we allowed the accusations of Lady Phoenix and Tommi to continue past that date. I personally apologise to each member of this ( my) community for not catching it all before and stepping up when this didn't read "right".
Please understand, I do not wish to create nor get drawn into any herese around this. It is my express concern that fellows of this site become very aware of the damage that false and inaccurate accusations, as well as innuendo can produce. This is a serious matter folks, it has far reaching implications not only to the alleged wrong doer here, but also to innocent persons.
As I see it, our prayers are needed and our adult discretion is warranted.
Respectfully, Syr Jess ( Hurly)
leenuttykoop
11-19-2005, 06:10 AM
Dear Gwen .... hopefully you are safe somewhere, maybe just maybe in your mother's arms. If not and you're able to read this, please know your mom is doing what is needed to get you home. Now it's time to do your part.
I know it might be scary, having to face the truths, the rumors, and the fact that you actually do need help. I know I hate to say I need help, yet there are times I have to quit fighting and admit I do. When I do good things come from it. I may not see it at the time, but they always come!
Til you are ready to ask for help, please keep safe and let your mom know you are okay!
Koop :)
Tommi
11-21-2005, 02:25 AM
Friends PM's and posts, and emails of support and understanding and concern..... this for today and always ..thank you.
From the Daily OM :
November 18, 2005
Winged Formation
Birds Fly In A V As they swoop, drift, and glide, inscribing magnificent patterns across the sky, birds are serene displays of grace and beauty. Long a source of inspiration, birds can be messengers from the spirit realm, or a symbol of the human soul, as they cast off their earthly mooring and soar heavenward. An upturned wing, a graceful flutter, all so effortless and free... More magnificent still is the inspiring sight of birds migrating, progressing steadily across the horizon in a solid V formation that is a singular pattern too unique to be mere chance.
Pushing steadily forward, this aerodynamic V reduces air resistance for the whole flock. With wings moving in harmony, the feathered group continues its course across the sky, covering more ground together in community than as individuals. When the bird at the front gets tired, she will move to the rear of the formation where the wind drag is lowest, and a more rested bird can take her place.
By learning from the example of our winged guides, all of us can feel empowered to take on daring challenges as we chart adventurous courses. Feel the strength of others moving alongside you, as their presence lends power to your wings during this journey across the sky of life. When buffeted by unexpected gusts, we can choose to find refuge in the loving shelter of friends and family. We may even marvel as an otherwise difficult day passes by like a swift wind, as a kindred spirit charts a way for us through the clouds and rain ahead. If your wings begin to ache on your journey, look around for somebody else to fly at the front for a while. All of us move faster when we move together. Let your ego drop earthwards as we all soar ever higher.__________________
For Information & Updates provided by authorities in the State Virginia & California Authorites:GO TO:
www.missingkids.com
(Enter Female, State of Virginia, Gwendolyn Strauss)
1PlayfulFemme
11-21-2005, 07:13 AM
Friends PM's and posts, and emails of support and understanding and concern..... this for today and always ..thank you.
From the Daily OM :
November 18, 2005
Winged Formation
Birds Fly In A V As they swoop, drift, and glide, inscribing magnificent patterns across the sky, birds are serene displays of grace and beauty. Long a source of inspiration, birds can be messengers from the spirit realm, or a symbol of the human soul, as they cast off their earthly mooring and soar heavenward. An upturned wing, a graceful flutter, all so effortless and free... More magnificent still is the inspiring sight of birds migrating, progressing steadily across the horizon in a solid V formation that is a singular pattern too unique to be mere chance.
Pushing steadily forward, this aerodynamic V reduces air resistance for the whole flock. With wings moving in harmony, the feathered group continues its course across the sky, covering more ground together in community than as individuals. When the bird at the front gets tired, she will move to the rear of the formation where the wind drag is lowest, and a more rested bird can take her place.
By learning from the example of our winged guides, all of us can feel empowered to take on daring challenges as we chart adventurous courses. Feel the strength of others moving alongside you, as their presence lends power to your wings during this journey across the sky of life. When buffeted by unexpected gusts, we can choose to find refuge in the loving shelter of friends and family. We may even marvel as an otherwise difficult day passes by like a swift wind, as a kindred spirit charts a way for us through the clouds and rain ahead. If your wings begin to ache on your journey, look around for somebody else to fly at the front for a while. All of us move faster when we move together. Let your ego drop earthwards as we all soar ever higher.__________________
For Information & Updates provided by authorities in the State Virginia & California Authorites:GO TO:
www.missingkids.com
(Enter Female, State of Virginia, Gwendolyn Strauss)
*Smiling* Did you know - that when one goose 'goes down' to sickness (or a hunter) two more go down with it?? Until either it passes or it is ready to join another flock?? I think that is another wonderful example to live by! *Joining Willow and your hands* There's so many wonderful people here who are sticking with you until we know that Gwen is safe and sound.
*hugs* You all take good care!
*Bump* *Bump* *bump bump bump* ;)
LadyPhoenix
11-21-2005, 09:44 AM
Good Morning everyone!
well, here i am in sunny Southern Ca and Daddy and i have been looking for Gwen all weekend... Today we will return to San Diego to speak with lawyers and social workers on my daughters behalf and then search for the remainder of the day ....
i wanted to stop for just a moment however to tell all of you how MUCH your prayers and support means to us... This has been one of the greatest trials ever put before me ... and the love, prayers, support, kind pm's and wishes have meant more to me than i am able to express. Daddy, too, has gained strength from all of you .... and i know that wherever my baby angel is... that she, too, must feel your gentle concern and tender love pouring over her in a protective shield...
To each of you, i am so grateful for your friendship, love, and support... You are ... the best of the best... and i am perhaps, the luckiest lady ever to have been given so much by so many.... now your love flows beyond my cup and into Gwen's ... and because of that love, i know that she continues to find new strengths each and every day to make it through ... until we can bring her back ...
Thank you... may the Creator bless and keep you and return to you the love you have shared with my family .... a thousand times over...
With Much Respect,
Syr Thomas, willow and family!
StudBoi
11-22-2005, 11:12 AM
Willow, you have been in our hearts and minds for some time. I pray that all things work out for you and your loved ones. May our words and prayers from our lips be heard by the Creator's ears.
MaineButch
11-22-2005, 01:15 PM
Ms Willow, Gwen and Tommi....... (f) (f) (f)
I only wish the very best this time of year........to be the family you need to be. I'm still praying to "MY" higher power to bring ya'll together. I know it will happen.......I'm sending positive thoughts and prayers to each and everyone of you!!!!!!!
Sometimes it's hard to trust.........but I'm gonna trust that this time.....it's gonna happen.......<smiles>.
MB <who will never give up>
Tommi, Willow and Gwen,
My thoughts and prayers for you all continue...
Tommi
11-23-2005, 07:24 AM
I want to thank those of you that have kept the candles burning, kept the light on in case she came to visit, and sent your kind and gentle words out to a Mother whose youngest is missing from her safe, warm surroundings.
The past 3 weeks have been a frenzied tapestry of grief, anger, loss, love and a myriad of emotions. A learning experience of how appearances and authorities gel together and yet, never bridge a solid gap.
That love was shown by many here that wrote, and helped personally, in the search and support for Gwen. By those that kept writing , that sent posters, and that posted them, and those that kept lines of communication open.
We are keeping the candle burning, and hoping and praying that Gwen will be with us for Thanksgiving. ..If she is not, I envision her hungry, but safe, and with a flock of others in a food line at a shelter.
Never thought I would be searching for a child on a missing poster. Never thought about who a donation for a food program would go to....
Have learned alot about the happenstance souls that are known as "homeless", but are sweet, and willing to help, and to share their love with a little lost lamb.
Give Thanks....and thanks to all of you...
1PlayfulFemme
11-23-2005, 08:17 AM
With Thanksgiving upon us with the next rising of the sun, I pray that you are both given that one gift that will bring true thanksgiving to your heart...the return of Gwen to your safe arms. I can not imagine the emotions you have been through. Please know that my offer of help is neverending.
I am thankful that you all can be together during this time. I am thankful that Gwen has tried to contact you at least a couple of times. I am thankful that so many people are so quick to show love and support. I am thankful for your friendship, Willow..and look forward to forming a solid friendship with you, Tommi. I am thankful most of all for the family here...who proves time and again, what a strong bond is possible.
*keeping you ever close in thought and prayer*
sarai
11-23-2005, 05:52 PM
Just checkin' in with hugs and good hopes. As I sit, surrounded by out of town family, pausing to referee the Munchkin Brigade as they rip bread for stuffing and make Christmas Ornaments for the family, my heart aches for those of us who are seperated on the holiday. I hope we're all home for Christmas/Hannukah/Yule/Solstice/WinterHolidayOfChoice, and that this whole mess is resolved soon.
Tommi
11-23-2005, 06:28 PM
The phone is silent...
I picked it up to see that it is working! Wondering ..wandering into the mind of a teenager!
Who Gwen is with....
What she is thinking ......
Why she hasn't called.....It is 5:30 the night before Thanksgiving
When Willow who is here till Saturday ,will hear from Virginian authorities and the police.
Where a reunion and Thanksgiving for Gwen and Willow will take place.
Wondering.?...What I would have done if I were on the streets of a big city at 16....with 1/6 of it's population made up of homeless?.... Wondering...What my Mom would have done?...
Wandering .......lost in my thoughts.... (o)
leenuttykoop
11-23-2005, 06:40 PM
((((((((((((((((((((((((Willow, Tommi, Gwen)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You all continue to be in my heart, my thoughts, and my prayers
Tommi
11-23-2005, 06:48 PM
((((((((((((((((((((((((Willow, Tommi, Gwen)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You all continue to be in my heart, my thoughts, and my prayers
thanks Koop..we have your number ;) ...Willow is exhausted and has crashed on the couch for much needed sleep.
Tommi
11-23-2005, 06:52 PM
Just checkin' in with hugs and good hopes. As I sit, surrounded by out of town family, pausing to referee the Munchkin Brigade as they rip bread for stuffing and make Christmas Ornaments for the family, my heart aches for those of us who are seperated on the holiday. I hope we're all home for Christmas/Hannukah/Yule/Solstice/WinterHolidayOfChoice, and that this whole mess is resolved soon.
Wishing you well at this time and always..... (l) .thank you (f)
((((((((((((((((((((((((Willow, Tommi, Gwen)))))))))))))))))))))))))))
You all continue to be in my heart, my thoughts, and my prayers
thanks Koop..we have your number ...Willow is exhausted and has crashed on the couch for much needed sleep.
1PlayfulFemme
11-23-2005, 07:15 PM
It's amazing how you don't think of things...like the kids in the missing posters..oh, you think of them...maybe say a quick prayer for them...but it takes something like this, for days and weeks of thought to go out to them...
As I was shopping tonight, I saw a missing poster at my local grocery store...my mother's neighbor...also 16...ran away a few days ago...no idea where...and all I could think was...'not another one'.
I wish I could hug these 'not so children, not so adult' humans...and hold them close..and comfort their pain, help them deal with their sorrows...it breaks my heart so much to know they are out there...somewhere.
I wish I could hold their parents close until they were safely home...help them carry some of the burdon their hearts must be feeling...
I wish our world was different - and that kids never ran away from home..that parents never had to feel the pain this produces.
I wish, darling Willow never had to experience this....
I wish, sweet Gwen never felt this was the only answer...
I wish our world was better...
I love seeing how much Willow loves Gwen - every word she writes is laced with it. I hope Gwen feels that love encircle her tonight..and that it guides her to call her mama.
{{{{ Willow }}}} Your strength is amazing...you're in my thoughts and my prayers!
{{{{ Tommi }}}} You have proven to be so incredible...I hold you near...
{{{{{ Gwen }}}}} Darlin, please...go home. Call your mama...tell her Happy Thanksgiving...and give her something incredible to be thankful for!!!!
Tommi
11-24-2005, 02:49 AM
enter Thank you ! 1PlayfulFemme! Your words were sensitive and appreciated. I sit here at 1:30AM Thanksgiving morning....
...wondering if it is too soon to call the hospitals and the police again to see if there is anything to report, anyone found, and know what the pat answer is...We'll call you if we have anything to report.
She has no ID...She has no tattoo's. She is a "cutter" =has scars where she tried to cut herself years ago.
click , then enter-------->
www.missingkids.com
Gwendolyn Strauss, Virginia
lighthouselover
11-24-2005, 03:34 AM
~checking in~
Praying that you get a phone call before this day is over. Not just any call, but a Happy Thanksgiving call from Gwen letting you know that she is all right and that she's ready to come home.
Gwen, don't spend this holiday or any other holiday out there on the streets alone. Call your mom so that all of you can have a very Happy Thanksgiving.