It's Deer Season

[RedtailedHawk]

Deer season started Oct 10th. I am excited to get out to the woods and experience the hunt. I'd like to hear about anyone else's experiences hunting this year or years past.

[TheRealJLO]

my best friend and his family go hunting alot. THe rule was I am not allowed to go until i get registered, and can't go hunting unless i am practicing to do so. well last season i got tested and passed. It was me and a bunch od 10 year olds it was hilarious...black butch in jersey here. HAHAHA anyway i never got to go cause my job required me to work saturday's, u can't hunt sunday's in jersey, blah blah. Anyway my Best friend is never home now, its his senior year of college and he's on the wrestling team so this is his biggest season as he makes a run for every title he can.

Anyone in Jersey wanna take a newbie out to kill stuff? I don't even have a gun yet. Didn't want to make the investment yet since i hav eother toys to buy *wink* But I am left handed so I was thinking of going with Mossberg first off. The saftey is perfect to switch hit. Problem is the discharged shell flying in yor face. Well Jersey hunters are far and inbetween. Esp. here in South Brunswick (between princeton and new brunswick) so let me know. Also...any good placesin Jersey? you used to be able to hunt anywhere in town here (mostly my "backyard" is where my friends whole family would go) but we've gone from old school rural to suburban in the past 15 years. We barely have trees anymore.

thanks

[citybutch]

I personally dont hunt but I have a really good friend with some awesome land in MO. She allows hunters to come on it to clear out some of the deer that overpopulates it during the year. Every year she has a huge supply of deer meat to consume...it is actually quite good.

[RedtailedHawk]

My first and still my only hunting rifle for deer/elk is my Marlin 30-30 lever action. I've got a 3-9 scope on it. I dream of owning a Ruger .270 stainless steel and a wood stock. *Drools* I keep telling myself that I will treat myself to it once I get fully into hunting big game. So if I bag a big white tail buck this year then I will buy the rifle next year.

[TheRealJLO]

stainless stell aaaaahhhhhh. don't know much about guns or why anyone would want a level ( i don't know much about them or anyone with them) but i know ruger is good and it sounds nice. what does 30-30 mean ( i wasn't joking i don't know much about hunting and guns) i know mossberg's aren't great guns cause they give you scope eye. I wanted a rifle action....but no rifle hunting allowed in jersey. unless its uhm what ever the smallest one is that you can use to pick off squirell and ground hogs in your backyard.

[sam_i_am]

My first and still my only hunting rifle for deer/elk is my Marlin 30-30 lever action. I've got a 3-9 scope on it. I dream of owning a Ruger .270 stainless steel and a wood stock. *Drools* I keep telling myself that I will treat myself to it once I get fully into hunting big game. So if I bag a big white tail buck this year then I will buy the rifle next year.
RH my dad owns a Ruger .270 stainless steel barrel and synthetic stock instead of wood. my brother in law got him a real good scope and even sighted it in for him. very nice gun i must say. it won't miss that's for sure. he has used it now for a couple of seasons and definatelly keeps the herd down. if i find time to go i usually take my remington 30-06. i usually wait for doe season to come in if i'm wanting meat, maybe that's why i always see the nice eight point buck bedded down in the back yard when i come home from work. it has come to the point where he don't even get up and move anymore.


Sam

[oregon_femme]

Please don't kill Bambie!!!!


or any of her family either.......

[TheRealJLO]

oregon_Femme....everyone loves the McDonald's till they hear how it gets done. THis site was started for people who want to talk about killing deer. sorry to make it that harsh, but thats what it is. So although your comment was VERY TASTEFUL esp. compared to what I've heard others say...it would sux if someone came to butch -femme came in the site and said go home queers or something else along those lines....this site is for the queer comm. and this forum is for bambi killers :) ( stay light hearted) besides....we eat the meat right?

[Morningstar]

wooHoo...........
I (l) love deer meat........ and have learned to cook it many ways....
I know i can not get into the hunt........ but........ wil be happy to make sausage and cook up some steaks on the grill...... :)
would like to go turkey hunting...... :)

[RedtailedHawk]

I had a dream about at good-sized buck last night. I also had a dream that I wrecked a truck at work so dreams don't really mean anything, right?
I'm going to gather up my knives, pack, clothes and other gear tonight so I am all set to go on Thursday when I get off work early. I LOVE wondering through the woods listening and looking for animals whether I am hunting or not. Coming accross rubs or scapes, fresh droppings or the nearby sound of an animal breaking brush, damn....I can't wait.

[Peach]

Please don't kill Bambie!!!!


or any of her family either.......

Oregon, this thread is started by, and made for, those who are into hunting and want to discuss it. Please do them the courtesy of allowing them their space, just as you, and others want your spaces to discuss things important to you. If hunting is distasteful to you, don't read the thread.

[Morningstar]

I had a dream about at good-sized buck last night. I also had a dream that I wrecked a truck at work so dreams don't really mean anything, right?
I'm going to gather up my knives, pack, clothes and other gear tonight so I am all set to go on Thursday when I get off work early. I LOVE wondering through the woods listening and looking for animals whether I am hunting or not. Coming accross rubs or scapes, fresh droppings or the nearby sound of an animal breaking brush, damn....I can't wait.


sounds good red..... ummmmmm let me know if u get anything.........and i'll be right over to help ya'll... cook it. *g* :)
I had an x i lived with for a few yrs........and he was a big hunter.. so I learned a lot :)
where r u ??? wait never mind just peeked ..... at ur profile...... ur in the land of thr potatoe... lol
I am in Buffalo NY area..... alot of deer here......

[jenstar]

I had a dream about at good-sized buck last night. I also had a dream that I wrecked a truck at work so dreams don't really mean anything, right?
I'm going to gather up my knives, pack, clothes and other gear tonight so I am all set to go on Thursday when I get off work early. I LOVE wondering through the woods listening and looking for animals whether I am hunting or not. Coming accross rubs or scapes, fresh droppings or the nearby sound of an animal breaking brush, damn....I can't wait.

Hi:)

I have questions on the topic of deer hunting, not only to RTH, whose words I quote, the questions are for anyone who is willing to engage with me.

I was wondering if those of you who enjoy the sport of kiling deer could tell me how you feel when you take the life of another living being? I’m asking specifically, how your body feels, what goes through your mind and what goes through your heart? Tell me your thoughts on having the power to take a life, please.


Do you have a sense of being a predator when you’re out in the woods waiting to kill?

Do you feel a sense of appreciation for the life you intentionally took?

How do you justify hunting deer? Is the population argument? Is it the safety argument? I look forward to your responses to this question.

I know when I kill a bug, accidentally, I feel bad about it and take a moment to say, “sorry bug dude, I meant no harm to you”…I know when I eat flesh of another living being in any form, no matter how it comes to me, I take a moment to appreciate the life cycle process…do those of you who intentionally kill other living beings, and then I assume clean, prepare and eat those living things, do you thoughtfully do so?

Personally, I don’t have it within me to harm other beings, no matter the justification and I have no internal concept of the hardwiring necessary to deliberately bring harm to another living being. So, similar to my fascination with serial killers and what goes through their mind when they kill, I’m curious about those who kill animals under the pretext of being humane.

So, deer hunters, please enlighten me with your thoughts on my questions- thanks in advance.

*Namaste*
jen


~>
Edited to add: RTH, perhaps your dream is accurate…maybe you’ll kill a huge big buck and feel a sense of accomplishment…you prolly will want to wear your seatbelt too;)

[Morningstar]

jenstar.......... Please..........
this thread was created for those whom enjoy hunting...... and like to eat wild game. IF you do NOT like it.......... stay out!

I for one...... do not hunt..... i could never shoot a deer.
But i do love deer meat.... quail.... elk.... geese.. etc.

for those of u ...... whom do NOT LIKE HUNTING!!!
PLEASE DO NOT READ THE THREAD........ STAY OUT!!!..
:@
geeezzzuzz LUU weeeezzzzz !!!!

geeshhh Redtail...... they r coming out of the wood work....
all because U wanted a hunting thread.. :(

I fish..... i eat fish...... some i throw back..... well ... most i throw back. *grin*
I have a 5lb northern pike hangin on my wall.on drift wood........
I caught up here just outside of the Buffalo NY area. this weekend ....... i am going salmon fishing.......and i can't wait. :) these I won't throw back.
Salmon steaks on the grill...... woo Hoo i can taste them now... ha.

[Peach]

What I said to Oregon-Femme, applies to everyone. Please feel welcome to start a thread about NOT enjoying hunting, and allow those that do this space! Everyone bitches about how when they start threads, others come in to derail, make fun of, change the course of discussion, put down the topic etc......but then dont feel any remorse when they do it to others threads!
RESPECT people, respect others spaces, as you would have them respect yours.
do NOT make me say it again!

[jenstar]

jenstar.......... Please..........
this thread was created for those whom enjoy hunting...... and like to eat wild game. IF you do NOT like it.......... stay out!

I for one...... do not hunt..... i could never shoot a deer.
But i do love deer meat.... quail.... elk.... geese.. etc.

for those of u ...... whom do NOT LIKE HUNTING!!!
PLEASE DO NOT READ THE THREAD........ STAY OUT!!!..
:@
geeezzzuzz LUU weeeezzzzz !!!!

geeshhh Redtail...... they r coming out of the wood work....
all because U wanted a hunting thread.. :(

I fish..... i eat fish...... some i throw back..... well ... most i throw back. *grin*
I have a 5lb northern pike hangin on my wall.on drift wood........
I caught up here just outside of the Buffalo NY area. this weekend ....... i am going salmon fishing.......and i can't wait. :) these I won't throw back.
Salmon steaks on the grill...... woo Hoo i can taste them now... ha.

Morning Star,

My questions are respectful, on topic and valid. If people don’t want to engage on a deeper level, that’s up to them to decide.

I put my questions out here, and I have the right to do so as a member of this community. You have the right to not answer them if you choose. You said you are not a hunter, so I assume you cannot engage my questions.

BTW, my questions were not about eating meat, my questions are about hunting specifically- that is what this thread is about, yes?

Considerately,
jen

[jenstar]

What I said to Oregon-Femme, applies to everyone. Please feel welcome to start a thread about NOT enjoying hunting, and allow those that do this space! Everyone bitches about how when they start threads, others come in to derail, make fun of, change the course of discussion, put down the topic etc......but then dont feel any remorse when they do it to others threads!
RESPECT people, respect others spaces, as you would have them respect yours.
do NOT make me say it again!


Peach, I feel my questions were respectful and on topic.

If you don’t see it that way, I’ll leave it at that and go on my way.

Peace,
jen

[Peach]

BTW, my questions were not about eating meat, my questions are about hunting specifically- that is what this thread is about, yes?

Considerately,
jen

this thread is for those who hunt, to talk about their experiences, methods, etc... Jen, if you want to discuss the morality of it, start another thread.

[jenstar]

this thread is for those who hunt, to talk about their experiences, methods, etc... Jen, if you want to discuss the morality of it, start another thread.


i really don’t even want to discuss the morality of it- i was just interested to hear and engage the perspective & experience of the hunters.

naw- its all good, no need to start a thread. if they wont engage with me in this thread, i doubt they will in a thread i create, and i wasn’t looking for a one-sided argument, or people to agree with me, truly was seeking to understand the hunters experience based on the words that constitute this thread.

and i really thought i was on topic.

ok, i'm out.

good day all,
jen

[nottheoldest]

i (l) to hunt for pretty sea shells, four leaf clovers & easter eggs!!
i usually get down on all fours & root around thru the sand, grass or brush!!!

[citybutch]

Those who don't like to hear about the hunt...should realize that the whole ecology is out of whack. It is actually necessary to reduce the number of deer because of the lack of natural predators. Otherwise, many areas would be totally taken over by them... I don't hunt but I am aware that it is far more humane than the meat factories most of us get our burgers and chicken wings from....

[jenstar]

If a thread were created on why butches and femmes can’t really be feminists, and other members were to come in and question that assertion, would they be told to create their own thread just because they are questioning or seeking to understand the premise of a person’s opinion?

What ever happened to well-rounded discussions where people were willing to go deeper and be challenged and put their words out for examination?

If a person hunts, fine. I have no issue with that because I believe we all have free agency. But be bold enough to go deeper with people, even if it means you might be questioned- I totally respect a person who does that.

I dunno, I see here a lost opportunity. I feel OF’s post was irrational and obviously a bad approach to asserting disagreement to a thread topic. I too see that Morning Star’s post is also irrational and a bad approach to asserting disagreement to questions in a post. They both represent how not to nurture civil conversation.

Why does everyone have to be so dramatic and prepared to fight? I’d bet my weiner dog MS didn’t even read or internalize my post before she hit that report button and had Peach in here simply because I am asking questions.

Can we not have a civil discussion about the deeper facets of hunting in a thread created to discuss the experience of hunting?

RTH said in the very first post:


I'd like to hear about anyone else's experiences hunting this year or years past.

How is that any different than what I’m asking? Its different simply because I don’t agree with hunting? Really? So now in order to engage on threads we have to agree with the premise of the thread?

Ok, seriously, I’ll stay out this 'hunting-posititve' thread for good- but I feel it’s important in this community that is built of words and opinions, to stand up and voice mine.

Peach, please don’t spank me really hard for coming back (~> (a)) , I got mad respect for you- and I’m not a trouble maker. I’m respectfully voicing my opinion here in this thread not for drama, but because it’s a community and I would do the same, speak my truth, in the real world.

Namaste,
jen

[TxCougar]

dang, and I used to think a couple of them were pretty cool.

I'll bet they live in houses with wood and enjoy having roses sent to them too!

[Hack]

Jenstar and others,

I happen to work for the agency in my state that manages all wildlife -- game and nongame. I'm happy to answer questions for you. However, I, myself, do not hunt. I fish and I am a beginner at sport shooting (trap, skeet), but hunting doesn't interest me because it's too damn cold here for me to voluntarily sit in the woods and wait for a deer to wander by. lol

So, let's start with deer management. Michigan has more licensed hunters than any state in the country. We have deer management down to a science, because, truly that is what it is.

We manage deer for two reasons -- population control and disease control. If you do not have a regulated, managed hunt (which all deer-hunting states do), your landscape will be overrun with deer. Those deer already face issues in their day-to-day existence because of encroaching residential and commercial development on what was once their habitat. If we are overrun by deer, there are a number of bad things that happen -- deer mortality goes up significantly (not to mention possible human mortality) due to deer-vehicle accidents. Crop damage in rural areas increases significantly due to the fact that if there are more deer on the landscape than the habitat can support, they will start ranging into crop fields looking for food. Disease within the deer population goes up significantly because large herds of deer tend to be ground zero for disease harboring. In fact, Michigan just became the second state to document the existence of Eastern Equine Encephalitis in its white-tail deer population (Georgia was the first state to discover this primarily equine disease in deer in 2001).

In Michigan, the entire state is broken up into deer management units that are handled individually in terms of how many licenses we issue for that particularly area. Right now in Michigan, we are overpopulated with deer in the southern half of the state. Any Michigan driver can tell you that the number of dead deer along the major interstates and highways in southern Michigan is quite high. We are near-goal in the northern part of the Lower Peninsula and Upper Peninsula, meaning the deer population is near the goal we have set to have deer in the natural landscape -- we have fewer car-deer accidents in those areas of the state and we have fewer reports of crop damage.

I would say the vast majority of hunters in our state process the deer they have taken as food for themselves and their family. I, myself, am not a fan of venison, but I understand it is healthier for you than red meat (less cholesterol). In Michigan and many other states, we also have programs set up with local homeless shelters and soup kitchens in which hunters can donate processed meats to them.

Hunting for many people is a part of their family traditions and heritage. They enjoy the sport, the thrill of the hunt and the kinship with their fellow hunters. Hunters, through the purchase of their hunting licenses and gear, are the major force behind wildlife conservation in our country. The revenue we collect from hunters via license sales and the excise tax on guns and ammunition sold in our state is put right back into wildlife conservation and management. It makes possible things such as land acquisition for state-owned recreation areas that are enjoyed by a wide array of people who don't hunt, but perhaps they ride their mountain bikes there or go birdwatching there. These folks, by the way, don't pay into the system, generally. There is no excise tax on their mountain bikes or their birding binoculars. It also makes possible the management of several non-game species, such as rare songbirds, endangered reptiles and something like the Karner's blue butterfly...an exceedingly rare butterfly in our state.

Hunters are conservationists. Without hunters, we wouldn't be able to protect many of the great and scenic places in our state.

Hope this helps. I mean only to enlighten, not to inflame.

Jake

[Tinkerbelly]

I love to hunt, and am so bummed I don't get to go this year. My sister and her husband are headed to Idaho next week, so I might still get some meat. (l)

I'm with you morningstar, I LOVE Deer meat, and I also fish. I do both catch and release, and eat a few as well.

Someone mentioned a way back that female dear tasted better.:| Thank you, I never knew that!! I'll definately pass that along to my sister as a choice if they want to bring me a present.

[jenstar]

Hey Hack, I really enjoyed your post.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, I completely get everything you wrote, and agree with much of it.

I’m all for logical conservation. Honestly, I think perhaps I didn’t articulate my intention in my post. I am more interested in how the actual hunter manages the spiritual, physical, cognitive and emotional- and even heritage based variables of killing. I’m not going to get those answers in a thread about how awful it is to kill, yanno? That's why i posted in this thread and didnt make my own.

I honestly didn’t expect for someone to come in and purport how awesome it is to kill, maybe a tiny part of me thought that might happen, but honestly I expected to hear:

"Its hard to take a life, but its important because…"

Or

"My heart hurts the moment just before I pull that trigger because….but I do it because…"

Or

"I hunted once and would not do it again because..."

I’m not here to debate the ins and outs of policy or political correctness. My intention was to understand the process and experience of taking life, and how that process is interpreted and internalized on an individual level- my intention was to do this is the spirit of conversation not judgment, does that make sense?

I prolly should have been more clear, I’m not so sure it would have made much of a difference though:)

jen

[TheRealJLO]

I want to go :(




I had a dream about at good-sized buck last night. I also had a dream that I wrecked a truck at work so dreams don't really mean anything, right?
I'm going to gather up my knives, pack, clothes and other gear tonight so I am all set to go on Thursday when I get off work early. I LOVE wondering through the woods listening and looking for animals whether I am hunting or not. Coming accross rubs or scapes, fresh droppings or the nearby sound of an animal breaking brush, damn....I can't wait.

[Hack]

Hey Hack, I really enjoyed your post.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, I completely get everything you wrote, and agree with much of it.

I’m all for logical conservation. Honestly, I think perhaps I didn’t articulate my intention in my post. I am more interested in how the actual hunter manages the spiritual, cognitive and emotional- and even heritage based variables of killing. I’m not going to get those answers in a thread about how awful it is to kill, yanno? That's why i posted in this thread and didnt make my own.

I honestly didn’t expect for someone to come in and purport how awesome it is to kill, maybe a tiny part of me thought that might happen, but honestly I expected to hear:

"Its hard to take a life, but its important because…"

Or

"My heart hurts the moment just before I pull that trigger because….but I do it because…"

Or

"I hunted once and would not do it again because..."

I’m not here to debate the ins and outs of policy or political correctness. My intention was to understand the process and experience of taking life, and how that process is interpreted and internalized on an individual level- my intention was to do this is the spirit of conversation not judgment, does that make sense?

I prolly should have been more clear, I’m not so sure it would have made much of a difference though:)

jen

Jen,

I can dig that...

A lot of people hunt for a lot of reasons. My father, for instance, hunts because it was what was taught to him by his father as a good, healthy thing to do. Frankly, he did get a deer last hunting season and that's the first deer he has taken in probably 10 years. I think he hunts mostly because he enjoys hanging out in the woods with his buddies and their dirty magazines, beer and really bad-for-you food.

I know a lot of women, surprisingly, who hunt because they enjoy the challenge, and it's something they can do with their husbands.

I know a lot of people who don't like to hunt for a lot of reasons...and that's fine. I think there's room for everybody.

Jake

[TheRealJLO]

jenstar I haven't gone on my first real hunt yet. I expect to be fine with the kill. my only difficulty would be putting my hand inside and cleaning it out. I've done disection in school before and I know this isn't the same thing...I just have germ and disease issues....How do I know I'm not sticking my hand into the witches brew ya know? But I would never hunt alone...ever so i would have my friend run me through it the first time.

You have to understand everyone is on the defense, because all we do is get attacked. No one would come in this room and say "hey i like what you guys do thanks" no people are just quick to say why they hate what we do and spout off their opinions....I see how you voiced your question, just be aware people are on the defense because thhere are BAD hunters out there and somehow they represent all of us.


NOW I read that deer like sweet potatoes and string beans. My mom was cooking and i kept all the shavings and tossed them in 3 giant freezer bags and tossed them in the freezer. Do you think it would work if i used them instead of corn? am i wasting my time?

[darlingfemme]

"Its hard to take a life, but its important because…"

Or

"My heart hurts the moment just before I pull that trigger because….but I do it because…"

Or

"I hunted once and would not do it again because..."

I’m not here to debate the ins and outs of policy or political correctness. My intention was to understand the process and experience of taking life, and how that process is interpreted and internalized on an individual level- my intention was to do this is the spirit of conversation not judgment, does that make sense?

I prolly should have been more clear, I’m not so sure it would have made much of a difference though:)

jen

actually I would really like to see some of those posts... I'm enjoying learning to shoot and I have some nuisance critters doing damage to my house, but I can't bring myself to kill an animal. I thought about going turkey hunting this year, but I just don't know how I would handle killing something. everyone who knows me was shocked that I even considered going... i would like to learn, but I don't know that I can get past my mind... yanno?

[TheRealJLO]

does soaking your game in milk get rid of the gamey taste? it was suggested by someone.

darlingfemme...we got rabbits and groundhogs under our deck this summer...tore the whole thing up. It was like Caddy shack, my dad pulled up half the deck and had traps set all over the grounds it was hilarious. ANyway chicken wire. If you are having trouble with a deck first...you gotta get them out and all the babies, look for lil nest they dig holes and cover them. then line the edging (or inside the lattice) with the chicken wire so even if they chew the lattice or decorative edging they cant get through the wire....also i was told to wrap it around the house literally. hat having the bottom two feet lined in chicken wire will keep them from chewing on the siding.

[nottheoldest]

[QUOTE=darlingfemme] I'm enjoying learning to shoot and I have some nuisance critters doing damage to my house, but I can't bring myself to kill an animal. QUOTE]

you can go to your outdoor sports store and buy a trap called "have a heart".
put some bait in and it traps the animal without harming it. then you can drive out to the woods and let it go.

[TxCougar]

I was raised with hunters and as a hunter...have numerous pictures of what we have brought home.

I have one memory of me and my mother sitting in a deer blind, eating tapioca pudding and giggling because we were watching several deer roam and eat below us...knowing that if my dad knew we had passed on several freezers full of meat, he would have killed us.

I am an expert marksman, I will not hunt unless I can take my prey down with a single round.

I LOVE venison and will not hunt unless I have made arrangements ahead of time to have the deer processed. I was trained not to kill any animal that I was not intending to eat unless it was endangering me.

Yes, I do get a predator charge when I am hunting.
Yes, I do have a moment of regret as I am pulling the trigger, because all animals are beautiful.
The power to take a life is awesome. I do more than my fair share of saving it as an EMT, so I respect all life.

Venison is healthier for you than any other red meat. Have you ever tried to buy it from somewhere? It's almost impossble to find unless you want sausage or little medallions.....and I want a steak like my grandmother raised me eating. We also ate squirrel, rabbit, quail and doves. I was a teenager before I ate rattlesnake, but hell yeah, I'll eat that too!

If you make it a clean shot and eat what you shoot, I don't see a dang thing wrong with hunting.

[TheRealJLO]

my dad got a trap from my friends dad he trapped a groundhog, then called the township and they came and picked it up for him and i guess let it go soemwhere else. I think if you call the towship you live in...maybe dept. of animal control, they may come lay traps on your grounds.

[SweetThang]

Though I personally couldn't shoot a deer, I come from a long line of hunters, and indeed there is a necessity for hunting to control the populations of animals whose natural predators are nearly gone....the huge federal ammunition reserve here BEGGED hunters to come onto their huge tract of land (usually the place is off limits) to kill the excess number of deer that had flourished within its fences due to the lack of predators to control their population....due to fur trapping and overhunting of bobcats and other predators, the deer have no natural enemies and the balance of nature gets out of sync...

In a lot of states, the first day of deer-hunting season is a holiday and schools are actually out!! Every deer hunter I have ever known has eaten what they killed...and many rural residents (the forgotten poor in our country) subsist every winter on the game that they shoot and would not have meat otherwise. Hunting is very regulated and very controlled so that deer populations don't reach low levels....so...hooray for you deer hunters!!! Good luck this season!

[jenstar]

Hack, I agree there is room for everyone- great point.


actually I would really like to see some of those posts... I'm enjoying learning to shoot and I have some nuisance critters doing damage to my house, but I can't bring myself to kill an animal. I thought about going turkey hunting this year, but I just don't know how I would handle killing something. everyone who knows me was shocked that I even considered going... i would like to learn, but I don't know that I can get past my mind... yanno?

Hey Darling Femme:)

I would ask your local humane society about traps that don’t maul or kill. If you chose to hunt, I imagine that process of finding peace with taking a life would be difficult. I totally respect you for putting your thoughts out here. I’m interested to hear what your experience is if you take the hunting option.

TxCougar, you said:


Yes, I do get a predator charge when I am hunting.

can you extrapolate on this? Do you feel like a physical predator or is it a psychological "charge"?

~*~
As for why I’m posting in this thread rather than the other, my aversion to killing other living things isn’t going to change the fact that it happens regardless and is often necessary for various reasons. It’s illogical to believe otherwise. Even though I don't choose to hunt, that doesn’t mean that I’m incapable of understanding or respecting a hunter’s choices, perspectives and opinions.

I wonder why so many people feel like engaging in conversations and exploring diverse perspectives means that you’re buying into something you don’t believe in?

There is so much more power in exploring the unknown rather than the known, to me. I saw the other thread about how awful it is to kill helpless animals, and of course I could go in there and agree with everyone and list 100 reasons why I myself wouldn’t kill. I could go on and on about how much money and time my family puts into saving/managing feral cats in our community. I could lay down all of my moral arguments for non-violence and supporting mother nature’s harmony in logical ways.

That doesn’t change the reality of hunting, disease, conservation and overpopulation- it happens. I’m hoping those that are passionate about animal rights are putting some action behind their convictions, that’s the only way things change.

Also, I’m honestly curious about what a hunter's experience is when they kill. Its prolly just the natural psychologist in me, but I’m vicariously fascinated by mindsets that are *so* different than my own. Again, my posts here are not about judgment, they are about understanding choices that are not in my repertoire of experience, nor will they be:)

I guess the axis of my questions lie in the difference between those that actually pull the trigger and those who would never think of pulling the trigger. What defines that difference in choice?

Thanks for the dialogue, everyone.

jen

[Morningstar]

I was raised with hunters and as a hunter...have numerous pictures of what we have brought home.

I have one memory of me and my mother sitting in a deer blind, eating tapioca pudding and giggling because we were watching several deer roam and eat below us...knowing that if my dad knew we had passed on several freezers full of meat, he would have killed us.

I am an expert marksman, I will not hunt unless I can take my prey down with a single round.

I LOVE venison and will not hunt unless I have made arrangements ahead of time to have the deer processed. I was trained not to kill any animal that I was not intending to eat unless it was endangering me.

Yes, I do get a predator charge when I am hunting.
Yes, I do have a moment of regret as I am pulling the trigger, because all animals are beautiful.
The power to take a life is awesome. I do more than my fair share of saving it as an EMT, so I respect all life.

Venison is healthier for you than any other red meat. Have you ever tried to buy it from somewhere? It's almost impossble to find unless you want sausage or little medallions.....and I want a steak like my grandmother raised me eating. We also ate squirrel, rabbit, quail and doves. I was a teenager before I ate rattlesnake, but hell yeah, I'll eat that too!

If you make it a clean shot and eat what you shoot, I don't see a dang thing wrong with hunting.


......... very well spoken....... Tx ;) :)

I tried rattle snake once.. well twice.... hmmmmmm wel maybe 3x.... hehe
been to them rattle snake round ups....... i set up for face painting at several ones.
Jen star......... I have a ? for u ........
is it your intent... to ask these sort of ?? you have for the hunters...... to send some sort of hiddin guilt trip ??...message to them??
I have always enjoyed the fishing thread....... there NO problems which such ?? 's ...... but now a hunting thread is started and all hell breaks loose.
Just my 2 cents.

Tx ...... have you ever hunted wild boar??? I have never had..... but have ate some ...... cooked outside in a pit... it was great. *smile*
**waving at Tinkers and sweets... **

[TheRealJLO]

hey anyone form the jersey area know of local places to hunt near south brunswick arean ( between new brunswick and princeton) they've turned our rural paradise into a suburban hell. anyhow let me know. I tested at the public grounds up north ( forgot the name) know of anything closer?

[Ceilidh]

Morningstar,

I happen to think that Jen's questions are pretty good. I've wondered at a few of them myself. I'm in Hawaii now, so it's not an issue, but growing up, my family went hunting. It was a male bonding activity (girls were NOT invited! lol), and I've often wondered what made it so special for them. All I got out of them was "oh, you wouldn't like it", or "oh, you're too girly" (read that as squeemish about killing things), but never an actual answer. I was particularly interested in TxCougar's response as an EMT, because one of the reasons my dad refused to go was that he saw enough blood in his day to day life.
Anywho, I think that now she's answered a few times about her purpose in asking questions. Sometimes people really just want to know something. Does there always have to be an ulterior motive?

~Ceil

[jenstar]

Jen star......... I have a ? for u ........
is it your intent... to ask these sort of ?? you have for the hunters...... to send some sort of hiddin guilt trip ??...message to them??

I have always enjoyed the fishing thread....... there
problems which such ?? 's ...... but now a hunting thread is started and all hell breaks loose.

Just my 2 cents.



Morning Star, with all due respect, I question whether or not you’re reading my posts or are just reacting cuz I’m asking questions rather than shaking my head in agreement. If I wanted to guilt trip anyone, I’d do it directly- I’m not the type to hide my agenda. I’ll let my words stand on their own, I don’t feel like I need to qualify my posting in this thread any more than I already have.

If a person feels guilty, for whatever reason, that is a choice they’ve made to accept the guilt, yes?

I wish I were as subliminally powerful as you suspect. Sadly, I’m not.

Also, if you perceive my posts as “all hell breaking loose”…believe me when I tell you that if that were my motivation, to raise hell- my language and tone would reflect that, don’t you think?

MS, you already noted your interest isn’t actually doing the killing, but you enjoy eating game, fish, etc, and i respect that…but you yourself are not a hunter. Therefore, you are unable to answer my questions about what it feels like *individually* or what a hunter's motivation is to kill deer for sport or conservation.

Jen (who only breaks out hell on special occasions)

[TheRealJLO]

ladies and gentlemen can we just drop it and leave it for what it is. From what I gather the thread was started for people who hunt and want to discuss hunting. yes the comments have been respectful but if you've noticed I've posted SEVERAL questons on the board that have gone unanswered. Probably because everyone's busy defending themselves. I asked Oregon_Femme to start a thread for discussion opinions on hunting. She didn't she made a "I hate the killing of innocent annimals" thread. ANyhow can we leave this thread for advice like it was meant to be. Read the first three comments and let's keep it with that spirit.

I am a new hunter and would like to get some info from other hunters in our community. THIS IS A HOBBY AND INTEREST THREAD.
thankyou

[RedtailedHawk]

Boy this thread had some activity while I was at work! This thread is for deer hunters and not really the place for some of the questions that were asked. However I intend to PM Jenstar and hopefully answer her questions. I am open to anyone who wants to PM me and ask questions about me, as a hunter.

No harm, no fowl. Heh heh, get it....fowl ;)

I saw two deer in a wheat field on the way home tonight and I would have loved to have stopped and watched them for a while but there wasn't anywhere to pull off the highway. They are beautiful animals to watch.

[Morningstar]

Boy this thread had some activity while I was at work! This thread is for deer hunters and not really the place for some of the questions that were asked. However I intend to PM Jenstar and hopefully answer her questions. I am open to anyone who wants to PM me and ask questions about me, as a hunter.

No harm, no fowl. Heh heh, get it....fowl ;)

I saw two deer in a wheat field on the way home tonight and I would have loved to have stopped and watched them for a while but there wasn't anywhere to pull off the highway. They are beautiful animals to watch.


thank you Red tailed...... :)

yes I agree they r beautiful to watch...... :)
i have a friend i grew up with........ whom has a 54 acres horse farm....... near here..... i go there a lot..... also about 100 acres across from her...... NO ones lives on it...... and there r acres plus...... behind her land and next to it.... NO one lives there ...... so there r a lot of deer there.... and the hunters show up...... across the road...
NO one hunts on her property..... and we stay off the trails during this season too... lol
we been seeing this really nice buck...... but he is smart and hard to get.
she has rifle ..... I use to have one...... yrs ago.
I may put the word out...... for those whom don't want thee deer meat... to let me know..... would love to get it .....
there r a lot of hunters here whom donate the meat to the soup kitchens here.
which that is cool.
I am wanting so much to go turkey hunting.
I shot quail before.....and got 4 ... it was great..... and tasted good too.
Only I didn't clean them.. had someone else do it.... ha.....
i just cooked them. out on a grill..... they tasted pretty damm good.

[drvnsnow]

I feel a strong need to point out that *good* hunting involves an actual line of sight to your prey. Recently in Vermont, a man picking blueberries was shot dead by two men who thought he was a bear. Now, obviously, they couldn't have seen him or they would have realized he was not, in fact, a bear.

So, while I choose not to hunt myself, I support the ability to do so for those that want to, as long as everyone takes the time to get some training both for safety and accuracy. SO important.

drvnsnow, a meat-eating non-hunter type

[oregon_femme]

I asked Oregon_Femme to start a thread for discussion opinions on hunting. She didn't she made a "I hate the killing of innocent annimals" thread.


Ahem...thought I felt my ears burning...lol

JLO, you didnt ASK me to do anything. Peach suggested I start a new thread, and I did. And I stated my feelings. While you all may belittle them, I am certainly no less of a person than any of you for having different opinions than yours.


Thanks

[jenstar]

Thanks for reminding me why I’ve been avoiding entering into deeper debates and conversations on the site as of late.

I just don’t get how asking questions is so threatening or inappropriate.

1. Emotionally charged reactions take civil conversations nowhere.

2. In any thread, the pros and cons of a topic should be open for respectful discussion. I feel segregation happening when it comes to hot-button topics- you keep your thoughts on one side and I’ll keep mine on the other- just so feathers don't fly and the forum reamins peaceful. Segregation of opinions never leads to common understanding; it leads to more confusion and divisiveness.

3. If the starter of this thread chooses for this thread to be strictly pro-hunting without any challenge or examination or deeper understandings, which he obviously has, then fine. I see that as a loss to both hunters and non-hunters alike.

4. In respect to the above, I will not engage in a thread where my silence is repeatedly demanded.

I have great passion for animals, for all living things- it’s against my belief system to bring harm to another living thing. But, that shouldn’t exclude me from respectful conversations with people who don’t think like I do, right?

And J Lo, I wasn’t avoiding your responses, but you had mentioned you hadn’t killed yet, you’re a new hunter, and I’d really hoped to hear from those that have actually killed. I don’t have the opportunity to pick a hunters brain much (pun intended) in the spirit of trying to understand the process of cognitive dissonance that occurs when a person kills a living being. I was attempting to do so here- its clear that’s not going to happen.

Jen

[RedtailedHawk]

Hey Morningstar...I've been turkey hunting. I've done the whole scouting, full camo, before dawn, sitting against a tree, calling them in and getting nothing but a sore ass and cold toes. The one and only turkey I got I was out grouse hunting and bagged the turkey. It was a young hen which we cooked up in a "bag and season" and it turned out moist and yummy!

I'd also like to mention that I enjoy "hunting" for antler sheds in the late winter/early spring. I have found many deer antlers and one matched set of elk antlers that were so freshly dropped they still had bright red blood on the antler base. I dream of the day I find a moose shed. The population of moose is really climbing here in north Idaho.

[ALICESHOUSE]

Yep it's deer season again :) .Hope are you hunters bag your buck.I don't think i'll make it out this year,but you can feel all the excitement in the air around here..i love to not only hunt deer but i love small game too,duck,quail,pheasant and i have shot a few turkey's in my life,lol.Hunting's a great sport,it feels awesome to go out in the woods and kill your own meat to eat.My grandfather was a legend in these parts,any given season he alway's had a deer or two hanging somewhere..he loved his hunting and taught me a great deal about shooting rifles and all guns.I get a thrill out of chasing deer through the forest,their pretty smart critters..yes i to get a predator charge.When i aim my rifle to kill,its like no other feeling..i say a prayer first for me to hit straight and for the animal to die on contact..i've been pretty lucky to drop them where they stand,their were a few though i had to chase,but not to far lucky for me.I understand not everybody can kill live things,and i respect that..and you don't have to respect those's who do,but for some its a life style..it won't just go away.Bambi,lol,has tried to kill me too more then once..i hit 4 deer since moving up here..believe me,the bucks sure are dumb in rut,and its true they love the smell of human females too during her period,lol.I love the taste of wild game,can't say if i'll ever give up hunting.Peace

[Morningstar]

Hey Morningstar...I've been turkey hunting. I've done the whole scouting, full camo, before dawn, sitting against a tree, calling them in and getting nothing but a sore ass and cold toes. The one and only turkey I got I was out grouse hunting and bagged the turkey. It was a young hen which we cooked up in a "bag and season" and it turned out moist and yummy!

I'd also like to mention that I enjoy "hunting" for antler sheds in the late winter/early spring. I have found many deer antlers and one matched set of elk antlers that were so freshly dropped they still had bright red blood on the antler base. I dream of the day I find a moose shed. The population of moose is really climbing here in north Idaho.


wow.... cool.... LOL ........ about the turkey story and the antler findings. lol
my most memoriable hunting trip was........
laying out on the bank of a pond........ freezin my ars off..... waiting to shoot some stupid ducks...... and on CRISTMAS morning no less.............
why u ask?? ummmmmmmmm i don't know..... LOL
but it sure makes a good story...... lmao
even if i didn't get any ducks.
them damm things r hard to get when they r flying.... LOL
i have a friend who has a fishing and hunting show on TV ... they have a web site too.... will have to hunt up the site.. in the morning...... i am sooo tired.
wil post it when i find it.
nights
(*)

[onenicefemmepls]

Hides my free-range 15 lb duck from ya'll....
Wonders if I was only one who saw episode of americas funniest videos where
a deer kicked the hunters ass..lmao
Turkeys are soo dumb they will drown in the rain cuz they look up with their mouths open...
fowl fact of the day..double ack

[TxCougar]

TxCougar, you said:
can you extrapolate on this? Do you feel like a physical predator or is it a psychological "charge"?
jen

I'm not sure I am getting your question. Hunting turns me into a physical and mental predator.
You don't just jump into a deer stand and wait for the deer to come into range.
You have to maintain your equipment, set your sights, know your distances, plan your hunt, find out where they roam, hide your scent, study their actions, wait for the perfect shot.
I did want to try bow hunting, but I was raised with rifles all my life, I'm a better shot with a rifle.

[TxCougar]

......... very well spoken....... Tx ;) :)

I tried rattle snake once.. well twice.... hmmmmmm wel maybe 3x.... hehe
been to them rattle snake round ups....... i set up for face painting at several ones.

Tx ...... have you ever hunted wild boar??? I have never had..... but have ate some ...... cooked outside in a pit... it was great. *smile*


Thank you.
Nope, not interested in eating it. I love bacon, but not enough to have to eat all that ham!

[TxCougar]

I was particularly interested in TxCougar's response as an EMT, because one of the reasons my dad refused to go was that he saw enough blood in his day to day life.

~Ceil

I don't see it as being about the blood. I see it as experiencing with the enviroment and putting good natural food in the freezer.

[TheRealJLO]

grrrrrrr

i am so mad i just wrote this long thing that took 15 min and it didn't post right.

basically jen and Oregon_femme....I come to theis thread cause its a hobby thread. its a spot where i don't want to have to defend me. cause that's what i do everyday of my life. we all do. we all fight everyday and this is where i come for stress relief to hang with people like me.

so sorry if NO i don't want to sit here and defend me. or sit back and watch other people defend themselves when this is a HOBBY THREAD.

OF my comment for you to start a new thread, sorry if it wasn't explicite enough, but it was implied if you scroll up and read it.

Jen....sorry i understand you asking questions I am from the sociologist point of view...but you keep pushing. You didn't just ask a question and get a few responses...because a few people did give you answers, you couldn't leave it at that and you keep pushing all the while saying "oh sorry don't mind me I just have a few questions" this wasn't athread for discussion and debate int he beginning it was for hobbies and interests. Oregon_Femmes was for discussion.

OF I must say i am insulted you said I belittled you, I was very respectful and even wrote you a PM praising you as a stay at home mom.

I mean really, think about it. no one is right no one is wrong so we are going to argue this in circles.

its like debating over gay marriage. everyone has their stance and isn't going to jump to the other side.

[Morningstar]

Thank you.
Nope, not interested in eating it. I love bacon, but not enough to have to eat all that ham!

LOL ...... TX i couldn't eat all the ham either....... but it was good. :)

good morning....... hunters...... (c) (c)
have some deer sausage ,eggs,, and home fries..... cooking up here..... who wants some.??? :)

after reading some more of the new postings here...... i was almost afraid to even post in here.
man O man....... didn't have this much action when someone started the fishing thread..... whewwwwww! thank god.

[The_Lady_Snow]

I do so enjoy Wabbit season!!

*chuckles* sorry had to come in here and give My thoughts here as well

jenstar to answer your question..

What I get from hunting....

It feeds My predatory side

It is good exercise when I ran My dogs during coon season

It felt good to feed My family cause it came from Me and My hard work

I love the feel of a gun, and I use it wisely and never hunt for trophies, everything I ever killed I ate nothing got wasted

Do I do it now? No I no longer live on a farm and have no need to..

Do I miss it.. Yes, I miss the walk towards the perfect spot, the sounds around Me and the thrill of Me *hunting*

Snow

DUCK SEASON!!!

*butch voice in background*

WABBIT SEASON!!

[RedtailedHawk]

Morningstar wrote good morning....... hunters......
have some deer sausage ,eggs,, and home fries..... cooking up here..... who wants some.???

*looks around and sees that I am the first in line* ME ME ME!!! I want some.

Today is the day. I got all my gear out last night. I am going to fill the gas tank in town today, pick up a couple of candy bars for my pack and I think I am ready. I should make up a check list so I don't have this feeling of forgetting something. I wish I had a buddy to go with me.

[Morningstar]

lol....... well ahhhh Red...... looks like u and I r the only ones who dove into them eats....... lol
Red....... does your gf like to hunt or fish??

LOl Snow...... is it duck season???????? No wait............ i think it was wabbit season........

when i was with my x.. yrs ago........ during bow season....... we use to live on the edge of the woods....... and he would get all into his gear.... camo and all..... and head out........ I knew the very spot where he would be sitting....... i would wait about at least an hr.....
so's to give him time to get there thru the woods...... there was a trail went for miles..... in there....... then I would get into some warm cloths..... and wear a bright orange hat.... and grab something to snack on..... and I would start walking ....... thru the middle of the fields.... to drive deer to him.
and i made sure i was NOT quiet..... made myself known.... LOL
muching on pop corn or something all the way till i got near where he was.
all yr round ....... I had a salt lick .....block on the other end of the pond..... cause we enjoyed just watching them come around..... we could sit in out living room or deck and enjoy watchign the wild life.... come from al aroudn to drink from our pond.
Had fox... deer.... an otter.... we only saw the Otter.. in the fall ....
and have wild geese that raise there babies on that pond every yr. Its a awsome ..... place.
and now its sitting empty and for sale....... its hidden from the road...... woudl give anything to get the $$ to buy that place. *sigh*

[TheRealJLO]

Morningstar wrote good morning....... hunters......
have some deer sausage ,eggs,, and home fries..... cooking up here..... who wants some.???

*looks around and sees that I am the first in line* ME ME ME!!! I want some.

Today is the day. I got all my gear out last night. I am going to fill the gas tank in town today, pick up a couple of candy bars for my pack and I think I am ready. I should make up a check list so I don't have this feeling of forgetting something. I wish I had a buddy to go with me.

I'm sooo envious. waiting for my boy to come home so hae can take me out already...just need him to take me out once and show me the "legal" properties we can hunt on in town (his family like runs the town...all cops) so i can go out with all the younger peeps whenever i want. anyway

redtaildedhawk a question here "do you bury your clothes the night before?"

I had a friend in highschool who said after he hunted he would put his stuff in a mess bag and bury it til the next time he hunted so it would smell right . and he did a lot of bow and arrow and said he could get right up on the animals. But I've never heard ANYONE else say they do that

[RedtailedHawk]

The realJlo- I've never heard of burrying them. I've been told to keep them in the garage so they don't get the smells of people and food on them.

I had an awesome day in the woods. It rained most of the morning and cleared up right about the time I headed out. I saw 6 turkeys and a grouse on the way to my spot. About a mile before I was going to get out and walk I saw a doe up in a clear cut. I just smiled at her and let her go on her way.

I walked in on the edge of a 15 year old clear cut and some mature timber on a game trail that had been opened up by someone marking a timber company's property line. I had only walked in for about 10 minutes when I picked a spot up the hill I wanted to sit and watch the game trails below.

I sat for about half an hour when I heard something breaking brush above me. I turned around and looked but couldn't see anything. I decided to go down the hill and walk up the draw a little farther and then go back up the hill. Before I could head up I saw a flash of brown and pulled up my rifle. I looked through the scope as the animal came out of the brush. It was a nice sized doe. I followed her in my scope for about 5 minutes and decided to pass on the shot. I had only been in the woods for an hour or so on my first day. I wasn't ready for this to be the end of it.

I waited to see if the other animal would come toward the doe. I thought I heard the sound of antlers on brush. I waited and waited for this buck to come into view but he never did. Eventually the doe got wind of me and started snorting at me.

I headed back to the truck and drove down the road a little ways and hiked some more. I came across a nice big rub and saw elk shit. I was getting tired and decided to call it a day.

On my way back into town I saw a BALD EAGLE. No shit! I have never seen a bald eagle around here. It was sitting on a power pole about 100 feet from me. I took a picture of it but it is so tiny you can hardly tell that it is an eagle.

I had a fantastic time! I've got a frozen pizza in the oven and I am going to make a milkshake (a single man's dinner). Wahooo!

[Carson.]

All I can say is, if we weren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made of meat? Dang, I got canine teeth don't I? And actually, if you get right down to it, my body works better on pure protein anyhow.

I killed my first deer when I was 12 years old. I also grew up on wild rabbit, turkey, goose and anything else you could point a shotgun at and not go to jail for. Cause we were poor farm people. And that is just the way it was.

One point to consider for all those who think hunting is wrong. There were not always supermarkets. You hunted to live. Period. Especially in the cold months, when you couldn't just go to the garden and pick something to eat.
You had to go catch something.

Hey, we are on top of the food chain. Yippee for that.

[bigbear]

Hey guys and gals,
I am watching the Outdoor channel while I sit in my hotel room here in Cordell, Oklahoma. What else can a fella do?

I love this channel!

I am in need of some great camp time especially during hunting season. It is a great time to sit around share stories and bond.

Someday a bunch of butch's need to get together and talk hunting and all that! Craving some guy time to shoot the shit!! I think I know why my dad, uncles and sons went to camp. They did a lot of talking....bonding time. I was so jealous that I couldn't go with the guys when I was a kid.

Anyone else have those hunting camp memories?

Bear

[TheRealJLO]

thanks RED> I know my first time out I'm gonna be stupid and take a shower and smell like I don't know...IRISH SPRING...hahahaha not that i use that anymore but u know what I mean...animals will clear a 3 mile radius of me. glad you waited on the doe that would have blown you season. Where are you located that has a doe limit and is it one doe per season?

[Morningstar]

The realJlo- I've never heard of burrying them. I've been told to keep them in the garage so they don't get the smells of people and food on them.

I had an awesome day in the woods. It rained most of the morning and cleared up right about the time I headed out. I saw 6 turkeys and a grouse on the way to my spot. About a mile before I was going to get out and walk I saw a doe up in a clear cut. I just smiled at her and let her go on her way.

I walked in on the edge of a 15 year old clear cut and some mature timber on a game trail that had been opened up by someone marking a timber company's property line. I had only walked in for about 10 minutes when I picked a spot up the hill I wanted to sit and watch the game trails below.

I sat for about half an hour when I heard something breaking brush above me. I turned around and looked but couldn't see anything. I decided to go down the hill and walk up the draw a little farther and then go back up the hill. Before I could head up I saw a flash of brown and pulled up my rifle. I looked through the scope as the animal came out of the brush. It was a nice sized doe. I followed her in my scope for about 5 minutes and decided to pass on the shot. I had only been in the woods for an hour or so on my first day. I wasn't ready for this to be the end of it.

I waited to see if the other animal would come toward the doe. I thought I heard the sound of antlers on brush. I waited and waited for this buck to come into view but he never did. Eventually the doe got wind of me and started snorting at me.

I headed back to the truck and drove down the road a little ways and hiked some more. I came across a nice big rub and saw elk shit. I was getting tired and decided to call it a day.

On my way back into town I saw a BALD EAGLE. No shit! I have never seen a bald eagle around here. It was sitting on a power pole about 100 feet from me. I took a picture of it but it is so tiny you can hardly tell that it is an eagle.

I had a fantastic time! I've got a frozen pizza in the oven and I am going to make a milkshake (a single man's dinner). Wahooo!

wow....... Red..... that all sounds so beautiful :) ... i seen a bald eagle yrs and yrs ago...... most the time now i see a ton of red tailhawks...... no punn intended lol
I love to walk in the woods.... and listen to everything.
ever eat a mushroom from the woods called a puff ball??? they r huge... white... u can only get them a certain time of the yr here..... and they taste great...... if u wait to long to get them..... and u kick it with ur foot to see if they r ready..... if a yellow puff of smokie stuff comes from it .. its NO good..... but if its solid white and fresh .. its good to eat.
Red tailed wish u could see this place where i use to live....... i know u would love it. ;)
Mawnin Big Bear...... (c) Pa huh?? ...... where abouts r u there??? I am in Buffalo.....

placing some steak /egg/cheese breakfast buritto's on the table... homemade.... and some home fries.... melon..... :)
well i need to git....... here.
everyone have a great day.
(*)

[bigbear]

Hi Morningstar,
I am in erie, pennsylvania....just down the road from where you. Thank you for the hot cup of coffee too! (c)

I may head to my friends camp this coming weekend to see some Elk. The rut should be starting soon. I love to hear those big bulls call especially in the early morning when the fog is lifting off the mountains.

Have a great day folks!
Bear

[Hack]

I had to drive early yesterday up to the northeast part of Michigan and then down to southeast Michigan all in one day (I'm always struck at what a large state this really is -- I would go crazy in a place like Rhode Island...lol). Anyway, both up and down on my drive I noticed so many wild turkeys...huge flocks of them everywhere. You can tell it's fall turkey season here. We are overrun with wild turkeys here too...we have tens of thousands of leftover turkey licenses each fall and spring.

[Morningstar]

LOL........ Redtailed......... got thsi hunting and deer meat stuff going on in the stones thread now....... but they know iam teazin.......

i posted this........ lmao.... chey is gonna kill me........ Lmao

.....** grabs a brewski and plops down ...... damm this new job is GONNA KILL ME YET.**.....
hmmmmmmmmm ok..... scanned over the postings........ and ok......
ya know....... I already have some marinated deer steaks on the grill....... and made some red skin tater salade.... and some baked beans baking...... Oh and making some grilled carrots... dee dumm.... OH yeah and some veggie burgers...... seeeee i didn't forget the veggie tarians here.....
Ya know ...... actually ....... Bambi ... would taste better.... cause its young meat....tender ya know..... . and sometimes ya just can't tell how old them does and bucks r..... *grin*
alrighty...... i gotta go run and erand for my Ma.... bbl.....

[Morningstar]

Hi Morningstar,
I am in erie, pennsylvania....just down the road from where you. Thank you for the hot cup of coffee too! (c)

I may head to my friends camp this coming weekend to see some Elk. The rut should be starting soon. I love to hear those big bulls call especially in the early morning when the fog is lifting off the mountains.

Have a great day folks!
Bear


*perk* ........ i wanna GOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! :'(




Hack......... I had to drive early yesterday up to the northeast part of Michigan and then down to southeast Michigan all in one day (I'm always struck at what a large state this really is -- I would go crazy in a place like Rhode Island...lol). Anyway, both up and down on my drive I noticed so many wild turkeys...huge flocks of them everywhere. You can tell it's fall turkey season here. We are overrun with wild turkeys here too...we have tens of thousands of leftover turkey licenses each fall and spring.


** tossin over night bag in truck ........... hey wait........ I don't have a gun.......** :(
hack....... soon as i get one........ i'l be right over.... *grin*

[RedtailedHawk]

Hi Morningstar,
I am in erie, pennsylvania....just down the road from where you. Thank you for the hot cup of coffee too! (c)

I may head to my friends camp this coming weekend to see some Elk. The rut should be starting soon. I love to hear those big bulls call especially in the early morning when the fog is lifting off the mountains.

Have a great day folks!
Bear


I know exactly what you mean. There is something about being the woods as the sun rises and lights up the fog. If you're up above it then you can look down on the fog and it can resemble a lake or ocean. The sounds in the woods sound different too when it's foggy. I love it.
I've always wanted to do the whole hunting camp thing, but never have. Someday!

[Morningstar]

morning Red (c) (k)
it is a wonderful feeling to wake up and sit outside in the early morning sunrise... in the country .. woods.. i have done that a lot up here...
along with feeding horses.. lol
but when i am done i like to stop and look and listen... sippin my coffee..

i have gone on a hunting and camping thing.... its awsome.

btw ... i am making pancakes this moring.. with fresh fried apples.. and some sausage... and maple syrup. :)
I love to cook.. :) seriously.

[RedtailedHawk]

Morningstar- I wish I had seen your post sooner. I just ate a bowl of raisen bran. Your fixings would have been so much tastier. I've never had fried apples before.
I am very much a morning person. I love being up before the rest of the world. It's cool being in the woods and getting up that early and listening to animals starting to stir. The birds singing, the turkeys calling, deer and elk crashing through the brush. Aaahhh, I wish I was there now.

[Morningstar]

evening..........
that is soo cool Red tailed :)
I love the sounds and to do the same thing.

I use to live out in this house on the edge of the woods..... up here in NY..... the woods came all the way up to the back door.....
but anyways...... had this deck around bk ..... off the living room..... and it all over looks a 7 acres pond...... with a tiny island with a tree in the center.
and its where them geese raise babies every yr. never fails.
well i had bird feeders out on 1 corner... of the deck.
deer and al sorts of wild life come to the pond.
i would sit there read my e mail in the mornings.... ( my puter was set up by the 1 sliding glass door...... ) i would read my e mails and such ..... watch the birds at the feeder..... or sometimes we would sit outide... in the summer and watch them ....... i miss all that. :(
1 night...... i thought i saw something big walk by the glas door.... so i turned on the outside.. light over the deck... and it was a huge raccoon...... so my daughter and i turned off the lights in the living room.......and we sat there watching it...... it was so awsome..... it had NO clue were just on the other side fo that door watching him... it was trying to get to one of my bird feeders cause the seed was packed with fat. but it couldn't reach it.
I can't wait to get my place bk again..... and when i am ready it wil be bk out in the country. miss having a garden too....
I use to raise australian shepards........and want to get another one sometime soon....... and get involved in them dog agility shows. :)
wel anyways......... i am heading off to bed here........
our salmon fishing thing got cancelled today due to high winds...... and i feel wind blown and like i am coming down with something :(
i never get sick...... soooo i hope its not a bug . :(
ok i rambled long enough....... nights (*)
the house is stil there...... and sitting empty the owner is wantng to sell it... wish i could afford to buy it....... that is a cool place.

[Morningstar]

morning hunters...... (c) (c) (c)
its just some toast and ahhh muffins this morning...
getting ready for work.....
hope you al have a good day ...... :)

a special morning to you Redtailed ;) (c)

(*)

[RedtailedHawk]

Thank you Morningstar. I am heading off to work too. Maybe I will make a quick run into the hills after work. I could go back to my spot and sit until dark, which would only give me about an hour. I miss the trees!

[femmegirrl]

can I hunt? sure, I have been hunting when I was a small girl with my dad. most of the men in my family are hunters. but can I kill something? no. I dont have the heart to do it. but I can and will eat venison. I have no problem with hunting unless it is trophy hunting, to me if you kill something for sport, it is just wrong. but to kill for food is no diffrent than eating pig or cow or fish or anything else.

[Morningstar]

hey ...... for those who fish........ ever do this....
go to a fishing supply store...... and see all these little tubs of plastic worms.... and squish ur fingers around in them???
OMG ..... its a awsome feeling. *g*

hey femmegrl...... i hear ya....... i am not much at wanting to hunt a deer.....but i love and know how to cook that deer meat.. :)

[RedtailedHawk]

I had a dream last night about deer again. They were everywhere and I didn't have a firearm with me so I was trying to figure out how I could catch one. Now that would be something! I haven't gone out since my first day. I hope to get off work a little early today and go back to the woods.

[Morningstar]

good morning Redtailed.......... soo seeing them white tails r ya ?? in ur sleep?? lol
thats ok.. i been having dream of horses a lot latley... lol
guess i need to get my butt out to the farm.
there's a 100 acres across the road there......... NO one lives on it anywhere.... and hunters come..... so we stay out of them woods with the horses during that time of yr.
there has been a family of red tailed hawks living there about 100 yards.. well i think 2 winters ago there tree fell soo now they took up a a home in a line of trees on my friends property.. just on the other side of where her home is and small out door arena.
I like to sit outside and listen to them hollar when they r gliding around.....
another awsome thing to watch is....... sometimes i would ride with my friend on the tractor cutting the hay ... and then when we go out there to gather it with the tractor and bale it out......
one of them hawks.. would follow us around .. the field.. landing on mice that ran out fromthe rows odf cut hay.. it was awsome to see...
i use to live there..... for a while.. and trying to work on finding a place bk out there again..... we been thinking of having a well and septic dug..and i could just put a dbl wide on it..... out there somewhere on her land..... that would be awsome.
alrighty ......... end of my story for today... lol

happy hunting ;)

[RedtailedHawk]

Oh boy. You tell a great story! I was reading it and picturing it all! I love the scream of the hawks too. We have them all over around here. You see them a lot on top of the utility poles watching the fields for mice. We had a windy day today and I love to watch them soar. They are just amazing!
I didn't make it out to hunt today. Tomorrow will offer me better weather anyway.

[Morningstar]

Oh boy. You tell a great story! I was reading it and picturing it all! I love the scream of the hawks too. We have them all over around here. You see them a lot on top of the utility poles watching the fields for mice. We had a windy day today and I love to watch them soar. They are just amazing!
I didn't make it out to hunt today. Tomorrow will offer me better weather anyway.


ty.. LOL
and good morning.........
well for some reason....... YOU seem to trigger a lot fo stories out of me...... don't know why..... i hadn't typed out stories like this .. ahhhhh hmmmmmm in a very long time...... if not ever..... lol

i use to live near a water fall..... too.... u had to go into this small town where i use to live.. a country town......and go to the town park... and take this trail thru the streams and such to get all the way bk to where the falls were..... omg.... that was such an awsome place to sit and relax.. and watch .. listen to the water fall..and it was a tall water fall.... along the stream... were pockets where trout was stuck in them.. we had fun fishing them out.... :)
my friend that fixed my truck yesterday is going deer hunting...... and is going to give me some deer meat..... if he gets any.. lol
I can't wait.
I know...... i could not ever ..... do deer hunting well..... i know i could not stomach to watch or dress out a deer.... :( ..
OH my .. they r talking about deer hunting on this radio station i am listening to right now.... LOL
i am listening to a country station.......but sometimes i listen to rock. ;)
I am flexable that way. lol
ok i gotta git here........ have a good day.
(*)

[RedtailedHawk]

I saw another doe today. I could have shot it but it was just standing there. It knew I was there and didn't care. I guess it knew I wasn't going to shoot. This year I am on a mission to harvest a buck.

[Morningstar]

I saw another doe today. I could have shot it but it was just standing there. It knew I was there and didn't care. I guess it knew I wasn't going to shoot. This year I am on a mission to harvest a buck.


morning Red tailed....... (c)
hope u get lucky with the buck.. ;)
i might head out to the horse farm tonight or in the morning...... not sure yet.
its nice out there u would love it.
for yrs my friend has about 14 or more deer in her back hay field its great to watch them.......
one time she was out there during deer season fixing a fence and would carry her gun with her..... but at one time.. she was out to far from where her gun was sitting.... and wouldn't u know it...... a big ol buck came bouncin pass in front of her.. but her gun was to far to get.. LOL she was soo mad. LOL
he must of known and came across to tease her... LOL
(*)

[RedtailedHawk]

I've heard plenty of stories about guys dropping their drawers to take care of business and either leaving their gun out of reach or shooting the deer from a squat with their pants down.
I'm off at noon today and headed back out. There's a buck out there and I hope I find him today.

[Morningstar]

I've heard plenty of stories about guys dropping their drawers to take care of business and either leaving their gun out of reach or shooting the deer from a squat with their pants down.
I'm off at noon today and headed back out. There's a buck out there and I hope I find him today.


.... good luck ....... Red tailed ;)

[RedtailedHawk]

I saw a bunch of grouse, but no deer, not even a doe. :(

[Morningstar]

I saw a bunch of grouse, but no deer, not even a doe. :(


........... awwwwww ((((((((((( RedTailed (k) kotc))))))))))))))))))) maybe u wil today .. ;) coffee?? (c) and good morning :)

[Morningstar]

GOOD MORNING HUNTERS !!!!!!!!!
(c) (c) (c) (c)

alrighty........ its cold here and rainy...... very yucky out...... soooooo
i made a huge pile of butter milk pancakes... some deer sausage and REG. pork sausage.. some bacon........ and some fried apples... also some pure maple syrup. enjoy (f)

hope ur having a great sunday and weekend. :)

[RedtailedHawk]

Wow! Look at all them good eats. Thanks Morningstar.
I went hunting for a good portion of the day yesterday and I saw about a dozen grouse but no deer. I am seeing a ton of sign; very fresh poop, rubs, scrapes and heavily and fresh used game trails. Is it just bad timing on my part or am I doing soemthing wrong? I almost don't want to go out again today. Plus, we are having warm weather, it's sunny and 68 for an expected high today. I don't know why but I like to hunt when its in the 40's and wet. I don't like being soaked and cold but that is when I like to hunt. Maybe if I leave my deer rifle behind and bring the shotgun for the grouse then I will see some deer. :|

[Morningstar]

Wow! Look at all them good eats. Thanks Morningstar.
I went hunting for a good portion of the day yesterday and I saw about a dozen grouse but no deer. I am seeing a ton of sign; very fresh poop, rubs, scrapes and heavily and fresh used game trails. Is it just bad timing on my part or am I doing soemthing wrong? I almost don't want to go out again today. Plus, we are having warm weather, it's sunny and 68 for an expected high today. I don't know why but I like to hunt when its in the 40's and wet. I don't like being soaked and cold but that is when I like to hunt. Maybe if I leave my deer rifle behind and bring the shotgun for the grouse then I will see some deer. :|


lol ...... silly guy...... take them both with u . ;)
need help?? would come join u if i could .. :)

[bigbear]

Hi Guys and Ladies,

I know this is not necessarily a hunting topic, but I wanted to share some information for wildlife lovers like myself.

My understanding is that this Sunday, October 30th at 7:00 p.m., Public Television has a show on about Grizzly Bears. It is deals with the issue of grizzly bear management. (~) Enjoy the show!

Big Bear

[Morningstar]

Hi Guys and Ladies,

I know this is not necessarily a hunting topic, but I wanted to share some information for wildlife lovers like myself.

My understanding is that this Sunday, October 30th at 7:00 p.m., Public Television has a show on about Grizzly Bears. It is deals with the issue of grizzly bear management. (~) Enjoy the show!

Big Bear


thank u ...... Big Bear.... :) ;)

[mountain51]

Any bird hunters here? Next spring I am going to go turkey hunting. I don't have a shotgun yet. My brother has four. What I am finding is because of his arm length, the moss berg pump he has just doesn't feel comfortable to me. I have never really tried hunting, my only real experience with guns was when I was in the service with m-16's and they always jammed.

[ALICESHOUSE]

So has anybody had any luck?
While in the woods last week,loading my last cord in the truck..some ''hunters'' sped by with a medium black bear tied on top of the trucks hood,i think i know how they took it,good grief..theres a local dump near by,lol.Lazy hunters suck man..reminds me of this saying..
The Hunter
Behold the hunter.He riseth early in the morning and disturbeth the whole household.
Mighty are his preparations.
He goeth forth full of hope and when the day is spent,he returneth smelling of strong drink and the truth is not in him.
Sometimes that's so true,it makes my teeth hurt..hehehe

[Morningstar]

Good morning Hunters......
(c) (c) (c)

** humming here....... hmm (8)gotta fine me (8) someboooddyyy .. find meeee (8) (8) somme body too loove...... (8) (8) *** ( good queen song) ;)
ok.... making some eggs here....... just the way u like them...... and some deer sausage.... home fries with a lil onion mixed in and garlic.. some paprika.. a dash of sea salt.... hmmmmm have big fluffy biscuts in the oven... some fried apples.... some home made jams... and salsa... ........ so grab ya a plate and sit down. :) (f)

[ALICESHOUSE]

Hey ya morningstar (f) ..oh i'm grabbing me a plate for sure :P .Nothing like big fluffy biscuts/w homemade jam,yum.I love the taste of deer,do ya like rabbit?..love it.

[RedtailedHawk]

I haven't done much deer hunting in the last few days. I got a 4 year old Brittany spaniel on Wed. and we've been out working fields to see how he does.

[RedtailedHawk]

Any bird hunters here? Next spring I am going to go turkey hunting. I don't have a shotgun yet. My brother has four. What I am finding is because of his arm length, the moss berg pump he has just doesn't feel comfortable to me. I have never really tried hunting, my only real experience with guns was when I was in the service with m-16's and they always jammed.

I have a Mossberg and the stock on it is shorter that than the Winchester I used to have. Go to the store and try out a youth shotgun and see how it feels.

[IndianGoddess]

my favorite bumper sticker is..

"If it's tourist season why can't we shoot 'em?"

[RedtailedHawk]

my favorite bumper sticker is..

"If it's tourist season why can't we shoot 'em?"


Cute. I had a boss that had a bumper sticker that said "Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to shoot them"

Looks like I may head for the woods after work today. I am at the point now where I would take either sex. The rut should be starting soon so I may take some antlers with me and do some rattling.

[Morningstar]

afternooners hunters...... (c)
heyy ya ..... sexy ((((((((((( Redtailed (k) )))))))))) ;)

i know i won't get to do diddly with hunting or walks in the woods.... this season...... due to starting my new job.
but hoping to get some deer meat from a friend this yr.. if they get one.. *smile*
and speaking of my new job in life............. ummmmmm Redtailed...... if i get our your way...... wil be glad to make u a hearty for REAL breakfast.. like the one i posted above.... oh wait..... breakfast?? hmmmm or maybe dinner..... ;) or both ...... never know... lol ;)

[Sheriff D]

Hi Folks,

It's right in the middle of rifle season here in VT. I am finally headed out this weekend. I have a .260 cal Model Seven Remington with a 3x-9x scope. I bought it last year when I decided to take up deer hunting, and I did a lot of shopping around in order to find the right size for my body (Mountain51, any reputable gun shop will help you with this, and you can also have their gun smith trim the stock of the gun to fit your reach - you should be completely comfortable with the weight and general feel as well).

Before that, I had only gone ferral hog hunting in Texas with my dad, which is a lot of fun and actually quite challenging. Darn good eatin', too - free range organic. ;)

I would also like to take up hunting squirrel (I also own a .22 long rifle as well as a western style long barrel .22 mag pistol) and upland birds (do not yet have a shotgun). My dream is to have a least one bird dog one day. I have shot many types of guns and pistols as my dad has a veritable arsenal out in east Texas.

Anyway, enough about me...back to the deer. I would be interested in talking about the different hunting techniques that folks use. I know, for example, that deer hunting in TX is *way* different than in VT. I did sit in a portable one-man tree stand last year; however, I still had a lot to learn about habitat and location, so I did not have any luck. This year I have done more tracking, although I have not had anything like the time I would like to have prepared for the season. Ten days ago I did a lot of walking and found some fresh rubs and tons of tracks in an area of great habitat: scattered wild apple trees, nearby thick pine groves for bedding, and interspersed open fields with plenty of streams. I am really excited, and I just checked the forecast and the wind direction is going to be perfect early tomorrow morning for me to approach from the direction of the fields so I will make less noise. I left my tree stand on a friend's property in New Hampshire (where I hunted last year) and have not retrieved it yet, so I will just creep and sit, hoping.

It is clear and 25 degrees F this morning. I am going to go to the range and site in my riflle. My hunting clothes are hanging on the porch and my heart is leaping.

Wondering where the hunters on this thread went...out in the fields and trees, I hope.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Cute. I had a boss that had a bumper sticker that said "Some people are alive simply because it's illegal to shoot them"

Looks like I may head for the woods after work today. I am at the point now where I would take either sex. The rut should be starting soon so I may take some antlers with me and do some rattling.

Another to add to the collection:
"Gun control means using both hands"

*snicker*

Redtail, have any luck last week? We are definitely in the rut here so I am taking a grunt call and maybe some antlers as well (think I will sit fairly quietly and check out the general activity level first, however). The season here is only 2 1/2 weeks with a three point only limit (does are by special permit only). Considering the local butcher told me 80% of the bucks taken in this area are spike horns, it is going to be challenging, esp since I am getting out half way through. I know there have already been some big boys taken in the past week (I go down to the weighing station most evenings after work). The herd here is struggling, apparently - harsh winters last two years plus too much development... :(

On my way.
~SD~

[RedtailedHawk]

I got my deer on the 21st. I went to my usual spot and had only been out of the truck for about 15-20 minutes when I saw it. I kneeled down behind a stump, whistled at it to make it stop and fired one perfect shot. It was a doe, but a good-sized one. I wasn't sure I would be able to get it out with out quartering it and throwing it in my pack. But after gutting it and removing the head I was able to drag it the final 700 feet to the truck on a game trail. It's hanging in my shop and I plan on butchering it tomorrow. I've got a picture of it before I gutted it and one after I skinned it and it's hanging. I haven't decided which one to post in my gallery. If I get another day off I may head back up there with some antlers and see if I can get a buck to come my way. I can't shoot one, but I would love to see one.

[Morningstar]

I got my deer on the 21st. I went to my usual spot and had only been out of the truck for about 15-20 minutes when I saw it. I kneeled down behind a stump, whistled at it to make it stop and fired one perfect shot. It was a doe, but a good-sized one. I wasn't sure I would be able to get it out with out quartering it and throwing it in my pack. But after gutting it and removing the head I was able to drag it the final 700 feet to the truck on a game trail. It's hanging in my shop and I plan on butchering it tomorrow. I've got a picture of it before I gutted it and one after I skinned it and it's hanging. I haven't decided which one to post in my gallery. If I get another day off I may head back up there with some antlers and see if I can get a buck to come my way. I can't shoot one, but I would love to see one.


((((((((((((((((((redtailed))))))))))))))))))) congrads.... :) (b)

[TheRealJLO]

FINALLY! I got to go out all this past week for the first time. Went small game hunting for rabbit. A whole week and I saw only one rabbit and missed :( oh well I had fun, came home completely cut up from diving through the bush but I loved it, I needed to get out of the house and exercise and it was great. I think it really is a sign of maturity to walk through the woods for 4 hours a day for a week and only see one rabbit...anyway hope you guys had a great holiday season.

[TxCougar]

Sweet! One of the guys downstairs just brought me about twelve steaks. What do ya'll prepare your meat with for pan broiling?

[TheRealJLO]

my roommate used to either marinate after soaking in milk...or dry rub

[Morningstar]

heyyy all you hunters out there......... guess what time it is ?????
another yr has gone by.. wow where did the summer go???? :(
We have hunting season coming up really soon here........
hope this thread............. picks up. ....
(*)

[Sherlock NS]

RUN BAMBI RUN !!!!!

:'(

[Sheriff D]

Just wondering who might be headed out this season. Opening day here in Vermont is tomorrow. I just got my rifle sited in this morning. I'll be getting my woolens together tonight and then headed out early.

Good luck to anyone else, and above all, stay safe.

~SD~

[Morningstar]

Just wondering who might be headed out this season. Opening day here in Vermont is tomorrow. I just got my rifle sited in this morning. I'll be getting my woolens together tonight and then headed out early.

Good luck to anyone else, and above all, stay safe.

~SD~



....... mawnin hunters... (c)
i love deer meat.... but can't shoot them .. :( ........
last week .. on my way to pic up a load in southern NY near the pa line............ i hit a buck..... omg. i was freaked out....... stoped and looked for him but did not see him anywhere........and i know i ran over him...... then on the way bk after getting my load........... i hit another buck :'( ... and i know i ran him over too. i felt it......... i cried for miles....... both happend during the night.... almost had a 3rd . before i hit the 1st one..... silly thing...... i slowed way down and honked my horn........ u would think it would of bolted to the either side of the road............but noooo it just ran out ahead of me and i swear my bumper was on his tail i had to hit my breaks and everything went flying.......
*deep sigh* ........ i never hit a deer in my life...... and 2 in 1 night??? and both bucks...... :( ....
anyways....... good luck on ur hunts..... i have a x whom is a big hunter and learned a lot about it....... don't have the guts to shoot a deer...... but now.......
would love to go turkey hunting..... :)

[Sheriff D]

....... mawnin hunters... (c)
i love deer meat.... but can't shoot them .. :( ........
last week .. on my way to pic up a load in southern NY near the pa line............ i hit a buck..... omg. i was freaked out....... stoped and looked for him but did not see him anywhere........and i know i ran over him...... then on the way bk after getting my load........... i hit another buck :'( ... and i know i ran him over too. i felt it......... i cried for miles....... both happend during the night.... almost had a 3rd . before i hit the 1st one..... silly thing...... i slowed way down and honked my horn........ u would think it would of bolted to the either side of the road............but noooo it just ran out ahead of me and i swear my bumper was on his tail i had to hit my breaks and everything went flying.......
*deep sigh* ........ i never hit a deer in my life...... and 2 in 1 night??? and both bucks...... :( ....
anyways....... good luck on ur hunts..... i have a x whom is a big hunter and learned a lot about it....... don't have the guts to shoot a deer...... but now.......
would love to go turkey hunting..... :)

Hi Morningstar,

I am really sorry to hear about your misfortune with the bucks. They are crazy this time of year - literally, crazy with hormones, and so they don't sleep, run where they shouldn't, etc. If they weren't so crazy, we wouldn't be able to kill them very easily because they are normally so stealth. I am glad you are okay. I know it is scary and sad but don't blame yourself. You just have to drive extra slow at night this time of year. Most people don't realize that, although I think you just had some kind of signal coming off of you that night and were calling them to you! Some people (like myself) might be jealous. :) Did you take over the tag limit, btw? ;)

But seriously, did you report it?

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

OK, now, this post is for myself, since today I had success. I was not the one who shot it, it was the woman I was hunting with, but we were hunting and working together, I showed her the area and took her scouting there, so I definitely consider it a personal success.

It is a seven pointer, 110 lbs. I am so thrilled and feel so blessed. It is a deep honor and privilege, and I could not be happier. I wish I could post a pic, but I don't know how to resize the pics so they will fit in my gallery anymore. This may motivate me, however. I know no one is really reading this thread anymore who even cares (except Morningstar and my honey), but I am just telling everyone!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

~SD~

[Morningstar]

OK, now, this post is for myself, since today I had success. I was not the one who shot it, it was the woman I was hunting with, but we were hunting and working together, I showed her the area and took her scouting there, so I definitely consider it a personal success.

It is a seven pointer, 110 lbs. I am so thrilled and feel so blessed. It is a deep honor and privilege, and I could not be happier. I wish I could post a pic, but I don't know how to resize the pics so they will fit in my gallery anymore. This may motivate me, however. I know no one is really reading this thread anymore who even cares (except Morningstar and my honey), but I am just telling everyone!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

~SD~



aaawwwwwww awsome... (y) shrieff..... Redtail.. he found him a sweet thing and well has been ummmmmm busy.. lol ... but ya would think he would at least come by and say hello to his friends here... :(
and as for us being here....... think everyon else maybe out hunting.. lol
the tag limit?? :| .... ya know...... i was being extra careful driving...... and watching.. but there is just so much u can see in the dark going down them country roads ....
i can not shoot a deer . much less dress one out..... i like to eat the meat..... so i mostly find hunters who don't want the meat or have to much or .. etc.....
i use to date and live with a hunter for a few yrs... and learned a lot about it. ;)

[Sheriff D]

Thank you, Morningstar!

I am getting my congrats from everywhere I can today! And I know you know how special it is, so thank you, thank you.

It is raining hard now, so I am glad we got the hunt in this morning.

Blessings on the deer, and thanks to the Creator.

~SD~

[Morningstar]

Thank you, Morningstar!

I am getting my congrats from everywhere I can today! And I know you know how special it is, so thank you, thank you.

It is raining hard now, so I am glad we got the hunt in this morning.

Blessings on the deer, and thanks to the Creator.

~SD~



....... amen...... ;)

[ananas]

Yep, I have pictures of a very dead deer coming through on my email to prove my Beau did indeed have a great hunting success! I'm told he ate the liver last night, too...

CONGRATULATIONS!!

xoananas

[bjorki]

Just wondering if anyone caught the deer battles on Iron Chef america. I thought they were stellar. One was a venison battle. The second was a cranberry battle in which venison was used. It was this past weekend.

[Morningstar]

Just wondering if anyone caught the deer battles on Iron Chef america. I thought they were stellar. One was a venison battle. The second was a cranberry battle in which venison was used. It was this past weekend.


.......... :| .........




Yep, I have pictures of a very dead deer coming through on my email to prove my Beau did indeed have a great hunting success! I'm told he ate the liver last night, too...

..... liver ?? :| :s EEWwwwwwwwwww .......

[TIMBERWOLF]

.......... :| .........




..... liver ?? :| :s EEWwwwwwwwwww .......

LIVER!!!!!!!!Yummmmmmmmmersss.....But there again Morningstar knows I like liver:P
TIMBER

[Sheriff D]

LIVER!!!!!!!!Yummmmmmmmmersss.....But there again Morningstar knows I like liver:P
TIMBER

Well, Mister, I would sure share it with you if I could, because it is HUGE. Didn't weigh it, but I'd say 1.5 - 2 lbs anyway. I am not the world's biggest liver fan; I eat it because it is good for me, and I wanted to have some of that deer right away! Cooked it in bacon grease with plenty of onions and habenero hot sauce on the side. The deer is hanging at my friend's house to age a bit, and will probably be butchered tomorrow.

~SD~

[femmeindisguise]

.......... :| .........





..... liver ?? :| :s EEWwwwwwwwwww .......


I go for the bear gall bladder myself (as a medicinal in Chinese medicine.) LOL....:|

[femmeindisguise]

My hunter friend in NY downed a bear with bow and arrow last week. I think thats pretty impressive.

As for deer and wild turkeys, I got a buck and a doe and wild turkeys :) :) :)




on film. LOL:|

I am not a hunter. Probably if I stayed in NY my ranger friend would have taught me, that is if I would ever get over not eating red meat. (but I did, finally). 3

In any event, congrats for all of your hunting successes. If you ever get a bear, please save the gall bladder and let me know....its a very valuable commodity. There are other parts of these animals that are also used medicinally.

[Sheriff D]

I have this thing about not hunting bear. It comes from my ex, who is Mohawk, and I guess it is totally forbidden, as if you are killing a relative. Who knows if I will change my mind on this, but I began my interest in hunting when I was with her, so there was a lot of influence there, especially about respecting and honoring the animal. I hear bear meat is excellent, however, although I have never had any.

~SD~

[femmeindisguise]

I was talking with my brother the other night about bear hunting and he told me he had a couple of friends who went out to hunt for a bear. They came to a cross road with a sign that said bear left. So they went home.

[femmeindisguise]

I have this thing about not hunting bear. It comes from my ex, who is Mohawk, and I guess it is totally forbidden, as if you are killing a relative. Who knows if I will change my mind on this, but I began my interest in hunting when I was with her, so there was a lot of influence there, especially about respecting and honoring the animal. I hear bear meat is excellent, however, although I have never had any.

~SD~

I can certainly understand not wanting to hunt ones relatives. But sometimes there is this alchemical kind of relationship btw animals and humans. Where they are willing to sacrifice themselves for a person.

I have a very dear friend who was attempting to be a vegetarian. But she kept having these dreams about deer. Mind you she is a very spritual person has had a stag come and hang out in her back yard. (she showed me a picture too. They told her to eat them so they could impart a particular knowledge to her. it has a lot to how one goes about doing the hunting. with or without consciousness. And sometimes even if one doesn't have consciousness, the deer or the animal is still sacrificing themself. Sooner or later the soul being of the hunter will get the message. (f)

[Sophisticated1]

My hunter friend in NY downed a bear with bow and arrow last week. I think thats pretty impressive.

As for deer and wild turkeys, I got a buck and a doe and wild turkeys :) :) :)




on film. LOL:|

I am not a hunter. Probably if I stayed in NY my ranger friend would have taught me, that is if I would ever get over not eating red meat. (but I did, finally). 3

In any event, congrats for all of your hunting successes. If you ever get a bear, please save the gall bladder and let me know....its a very valuable commodity. There are other parts of these animals that are also used medicinally.


Hey Femmeindisguise. Hunting with cameras can be just as fun as hunting with a rifle at times... I think the success rate is higher anyway. lol

Fascinating. Tell me more about this gall bladder and medicinal parts thing...

S1

[Morningstar]

MAWNIN HUNTERS... (c) (c) (c)

very interesting post..... femmein .. and i do believe thats all true..... and is fasintating..
I am not a hunter...... but i do enjoy deer meat... so I have a brother and his friends.. and a couple of my friends.. whom do hunt deer ...
i do know this thread was created for those whom enjoy hunting .. and to share there stories....
ty for the post...... :)
i don't think i could ever eat a bear.. though :| :s

[femmeindisguise]

Hey Femmeindisguise. Hunting with cameras can be just as fun as hunting with a rifle at times... I think the success rate is higher anyway. lol

Fascinating. Tell me more about this gall bladder and medicinal parts thing...

S1


I will tell you later about gb stuff.

But I was wondering if I would be considered a hunter if I said I hunted my older brother with his bb gun. What do you all think?:| :|

[venus1071'sWife]

I've been traveling back and forth to Dallas for medical reasons...along the way, I see enough roadkill to feed a small country for a year - inlcuding MANY deer. Ya'll want me to pick them up for you??? ;)

[Sheriff D]

Well, venus, it is tempting, considering I have still not filled my own tag this year.

Femmeind - I think that bear sign was a trick. They should have looked to the right instead...:P And as for your brother, as long as you have a tag for him and pin it to his ear when he's down, he's legal.

Sophisticated - have you hunted with a rifle (or were you just speaking figuratively)? If so, maybe we can get some gun knowledge sharing going here. I would really like that.

Evenin', Morningstar! That pic on your sig line is a bit...distracting...:)

I did not even see a (live) deer all weekend, dammit - well, except for the ones trying to cross the road in front of my house last night when I was pulling in from hunting them all day in the woods...:s

As for the idea of an animal sacrificing itself to the hunter, I think that is easy to say - especially as a pseudo-spiritual phrase/idea, but extremely difficult to understand. I am not sure I understand it completely, because I think it is a deep physical knowing.
I actually think it is too sacred for the computer world, somehow, like I shouldn't be writing it here. So I'll stop. Maybe cuz I have been with the deer for a few days, and it just don't feel natural! Superstition of the deer hunter strikes again....

~SD~

[Morningstar]

Evenin', Morningstar! That pic on your sig line is a bit...distracting...:)

~SD~



............. ha.... ty :D ........

[Sheriff D]

............. ha.... ty :D ........


Hey Everybody!

Look at my sig pic!!!

Boy...am I gonna catch shit for this....
Oh well,
~SD~

[Morningstar]

Hey Everybody!

Look at my sig pic!!!

Boy...am I gonna catch shit for this....
Oh well,
~SD~




........ congrads..... Sheriff (y) ....... :P

[femmeindisguise]

I did not even see a (live) deer all weekend, dammit - well, except for the ones trying to cross the road in front of my house last night when I was pulling in from hunting them all day in the woods...:s

Too bad for you, but some how those critters know. maybe its spiritual mumbo jumbo too.


As for the idea of an animal sacrificing itself to the hunter, I think that is easy to say - especially as a pseudo-spiritual phrase/idea, but extremely difficult to understand. I am not sure I understand it completely, because I think it is a deep physical knowing.
I actually think it is too sacred for the computer world, somehow, like I shouldn't be writing it here. So I'll stop. Maybe cuz I have been with the deer for a few days, and it just don't feel natural! Superstition of the deer hunter strikes again....~SD~

What do you mean by the bolded out sentence. I can take it or hear it in a couple of different ways, and I would rather hear it from you directly than put any words to the confusion in my head. thanks.

As for too sacred for the computer world and superstition, ok.

[venus1071'sWife]

Well, venus, it is tempting, considering I have still not filled my own tag this year.

Well you just say the word and they are yours...LOL (please tell me how to scrape them up without making a mess in my car - ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww) +o(

[Sheriff D]

Too bad for you, but some how those critters know. maybe its spiritual mumbo jumbo too.

What do you mean by the bolded out sentence. I can take it or hear it in a couple of different ways, and I would rather hear it from you directly than put any words to the confusion in my head. thanks.

As for too sacred for the computer world and superstition, ok.

I consider myself a student of the deer. Damn right they will not be taken until I get it right.

What I meant was, it is easy to say that, make a nice, spiritual sounding idea of it, but another thing to experience it as a reality. I don't know where you fall into this, and I am not saying anything about your experience or your deep knowings - they may be quite deep, but I don't know you, and here we are talking about something like this across coast through a keyboard. Weird. It freaks me out sometimes, but that is just me.

Not only that, but I am allergic to the new age, so sometimes I react to things that sound like that. I should be more generous, I suppose, since I think new age spiritualities are some attempt at getting our souls back in this lie of a place we all live on now. Personally, I think our entire culture is schizo when it comes to both food and death. I think very few people have experienced killing and eating the same animal in the same day and what that really feels like - I mean in a very physical way, from your hands, to your mouth, through your body. I don't think we understand death as a culture anymore, although we are clearly obsessed with it. It is a fact, a blunt reality, both a sad end and a beginning of new life. I think there are weird ideas about animals rights (esp pertaining to farm animals and hunting - animals to be harvested, in other words) and food - not eating this or that - and I think all of it is symptomatic of not being intimately connected to life and death.

So anyway, all that to say, I think people throw around deep ideas these days, but still they do not really know. I think sometimes that it reveals what is still a deep discomfort with death, but an attempt to make it sound good or romantic. I hope that clears it up some. I'm not sure it does! I had no business trying to be articulate last night after hunting all day/weekend. And perhaps, also, this subject is too subtle to keyboard about at a distance, but we can try.

Why isn't there a little deer smilie icon?
~SD~

[ArwenN]

As requested, this recipe is a friend's recipe. He posted it on a Yahoo recipe list that I run.

And, if anyone is in Colorado and would sell me some venison, I'd be eternally grateful. I make a fried deer steak that is yummy!


Mike's Venison Stew

About 1 pound Venison - cubed flour, seasoned to taste, I used Garlic powder, steak seasoning and seasoned salt half a small onion
3 tbsp butter
oil for frying
1 can Beef broth
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Can Mixed Vegetables
1 Can Potatoes

Drain veggies and potatoes, add to broth in small sauce pan and heat over medium-high heat.

Dice onion and sautee in skillet.

When well-browned, remove onions and retain fat.

Dredge meat in seasoned flour, then brown in fat and butter from onions.

After meat is browned and done to taste, remove meat.

Add flour as needed to make a roue(?).

When flour in roue is cooked through and brown, add broth from veggies to make a sauce.

Add all previous ingredients together, slowly stirring in the tomato soup.

[Sheriff D]

Thank you, Miz Arwen!!!

(f) (f) (f)

~SD~

[femmeindisguise]

As requested, this recipe is a friend's recipe. He posted it on a Yahoo recipe list that I run.

And, if anyone is in Colorado and would sell me some venison, I'd be eternally grateful. I make a fried deer steak that is yummy!


Mike's Venison Stew

About 1 pound Venison - cubed flour, seasoned to taste, I used Garlic powder, steak seasoning and seasoned salt half a small onion
3 tbsp butter
oil for frying
1 can Beef broth
1 Can Tomato Soup
1 Can Mixed Vegetables
1 Can Potatoes

Drain veggies and potatoes, add to broth in small sauce pan and heat over medium-high heat.

Dice onion and sautee in skillet.

When well-browned, remove onions and retain fat.

Dredge meat in seasoned flour, then brown in fat and butter from onions.

After meat is browned and done to taste, remove meat.

Add flour as needed to make a roue(?).

When flour in roue is cooked through and brown, add broth from veggies to make a sauce.

Add all previous ingredients together, slowly stirring in the tomato soup.

I might add a little wine to this.

[ArwenN]

I might add a little wine to this.

I agree! I would braise the venison in a really rich, tannin-y red!

And probably use Ro-Tel tomatoes too. Mike is a good cook. I know him real time and the man can make a mean chili!

[Sheriff D]

fresh whenever possible, rather than canned. However, the canned stuff sometimes works well up in the deer camp! And we always have wine available at deer camp...:)

~SD~

[Morningstar]

fresh whenever possible, rather than canned. However, the canned stuff sometimes works well up in the deer camp! And we always have wine available at deer camp...:)

~SD~



mawnin hunters..........
i learned how t make strawberry wine........ came out awsome last yr... i still have 2 gallons of it in the basment........ i want to bottle it up... into smaller bottles and give them out for christmas gifts.....

I love deer chili..... i love to cook and cooking outdoors is my favorite.... but indoor cooking is great too..... lol

[Sheriff D]

Well,

Rifle season here in Vermont is officially over. It is muzzleloader season now and I don't have one...*yet* (I can only hope that is a true statement!). The harvest numbers have been much higher this year, and the idea is that it had to do with the very mild winter we had last year. For example, the deer I helped to harvest was projected to be only 1 1/2 years old - with 7 points! That spells mild winter, plenty of food, and a good gene pool. This was also the second year of a no spike horn rule, so we are no doubt seeing the fruits of that as well. My dad has invited me down to Texas to hunt the first week of January, when it is the last week of deer season, but we can also hunt feral hog and squirrel during that week. Should be a darn good time. I will keep the throngs of you posted...:)

I have, btw, started to get some negative reactions to my harvest pic below. I will not remove it, despite a request, until the entire season is completely over, but I was wondering: do you all think that it is insensitive of me? I am not actually that worried over it, but I still wonder what you hunting supporters think?

~SD~

[ArwenN]

SD, I think your picture will shock and upset those who are easily overwrought. I prefer your picture to the ones of half-naked women with their hands thrust down their own panties or touching themselves.

So I guess it is each to their own.

[Sheriff D]

Arwen,

Funny...my girl and I were just remarking on all the potentially "shocking" pics on here just yesterday, and how we are constantly subjected to just those same type of pics to which you referred. |-) Oh well. But thanks a lot for your comment.

~SD~

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Yee doggie...can't wait for dem deers to have guns.

[ArwenN]

SD, I have this GREAT thought. I know you are gonna love it.

When you go hunting in TX in January, go back to Vermont by way of Colorado (really it's on the way honest) and BRING ME SOME DEAD BAMBI.. I mean venison!

[Tessie]

SD, I think your picture will shock and upset those who are easily overwrought. I prefer your picture to the ones of half-naked women with their hands thrust down their own panties or touching themselves.

So I guess it is each to their own.


Arwen,
A woman with her hands down her pants playing with herself is hardly as bad as seeing a Murdered animal.

How would you like to see the body of a child, a woman, a man murdered and propped up to see their head?

~Oh look I got me one of them there femmes look at her Rack~

I was trying for 2 weeks now not to post here, I guess the pic did the trick.

The difference between animals and humans is innocence ~ Us as human are not. I would much rather save an animals life , than a humans.

Only from my "me" place...........Sorry for the derail.......carry-on

[ArwenN]

Original statement deleted before being posted since I refuse to respond in public to being baited.

[xjackhammer]

Sheriff D...... Nice picture.
Shocking-- ummm,NO.

As far as I'm concerned, Deer-Bear-Chicken-Cow-Turkey-Pig etc are ALL here for the eaten.

And Id rather go shoot my own than eat the crap in stores full of hormones ,dye and all kinds of other stuff.

I'm gonna slaughter a cow that has been fattened up over at my brothers in about 2 weeks and then I'm gonna run up into the canyon and get me a Bear.

You know, I dont knock people that dont eat meat- I have friends that I love and respect.
And in return, my friends respect me, and I think thats pretty cool (y)

Im a hard working butch and I cant live on bean sprouts and salads.
I need the red meat.

Grunt................

[Medusa]

* gnawing on a chicken bone *


Jack is serious about the bear-hunting. Does anyone have any bear recipes?
Or for that matter, has anyone in here ever cooked bear?

I was thinking of making some bear tacos but Jack rolled his eyes. What would one use as a side dish to a bear meal? A nice corn souffle or baked beans?

[Sheriff D]

Medusa, I will check on the bear recipes, but our local game supper usually includes bear steak and stew. Maybe Arwen or Morningstar has a recipe? Chicken bone's good for your teef and gums, btw. :)

Jack, thank you for the input. I appreciate it a lot. The mutual respect is mostly what I experience as well, but I guess the pic has put some here over the tender edge of reality, which I knew damn well would probably happen, but I was so proud of my harvest, and it is a very important part of my life at this point. There's a lot of explicit stuff on this site that I don't partake in, and I don't bug people about, no matter how I feel about it. Part of why I like hunting is because it is all about reality - puts me in my place as a predator - grounds me more than anything else. And the meat is so damn good. I hear you about the trashy commercial meat these days - talk about scary and offensive. My girl and I had the backstrap from this buck this past Sunday, and even though she would rather be spared the gory details of the hunt (which is fine, I don't care), the flavor of that meat about brought tears to her eyes.
Good luck with your bear hunt.

Arwen, oh thou with mighty composure, you are a sweetheart, and I would bring you a very dead deer in a second if I got one and had the time. We could have a big ol' cookout jamborie and invite jack and medusa.

And as for the rest of ya's...I should have thought better of it by asking the question I did, or perhaps phrased it better (as if that would have helped those who cannot restrain themselves), but I was asking people who partake in this thread regularly and/or who are hunting supporters what they thought of my pic. And maybe that was just a way of asking for support, really, because I am not interested in using this thread for a discussion with those opposed to hunting. There's a little button at the top of the page for that, and ya'll can channel your horror and outrage to another thread. I would be glad to talk about that, actually, but I just want to save this thread for hunters and others interested.

Ta,
~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Medusa,

In my Vermont Wildfoods Cookbook, published by the Vermont Game Warden's Assn., there are the following recipes:

bear meat veggie soup
bear roasts
bear pot roast
spaghetti sauce w/ bear meat
sweet n' sour bear
bear liver
barbecue sauce for bear (also delicious on deer ribs)
bear stew
corned bear or venison

Which recipe would you like? And if you say all, it will take me a while, but I can do it (I think!).

~SD~

[ArwenN]

The one time I had bear it was really nasty greasy. :'( Do you have suggestions on how to make it not so greasy?

I adore Elk though! ;-)

[Sheriff D]

Oh, and I almost forgot...some helpful hints for handling bear meat:


Bear should be processed similar to pig - skinned out, cooled down and cut up as soon as possible. ( I, personally, have experience with slaughtering and butchering pigs, both domestic and feral, but not bear. It is not hung and aged, as with beef or venison).

Bear fat makes the best lard you can get.

Always cook bear meat until well done, as you do for pork.

Maybe Jack knows this stuff but I just thought I would post it jic.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

The one time I had bear it was really nasty greasy. :'( Do you have suggestions on how to make it not so greasy?

I adore Elk though! ;-)

I don't know, Arwen. I wonder what cut it was - do you know? Maybe the fat was not trimmed enough. Sounds like, from the lard recommendation, that some fat should be trimmed and saved.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Like your avatar, Miz Arwen!!!!:D :D :D

Tired ol' me just noticed it. Bedtime fer the Sheriff.

~SD~

[Morningstar]

ya know........ this thread was made for those whom hunt and enjoy and share the interest........ i know that some .. just has the need to post something negitive about the hunters....... i suggest if u do not like hunting . start ur own thread about it.
as for sherrifD and hys deer pic here...... its hys own buiz... and i do not see anything wrong with it. ..
i do not hunt..... i just can not shoot them critters.... but i do enjoy the meat... and know all sorts of recipes...
just my 2 cents here..... ;)

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

insensitive?

[Sheriff D]

insensitive?

No, thanks, I already had some.

~SD~

[ArwenN]

I've always thought it poor sport to hunt a baited field but when they line up......


I'm just saying!

[xjackhammer]

insensitive?

If you feel like contributing to the thread in a positive manner, Please do.
Other wise maybe you should consider posting in the Vegetarian/Vegan thread.

And hell yes, I'm sensitive, Ive seen comments about Thanksgiving being a Holocaust and Icons of Turkeys with their tail feathers being a middle finger posted all over the B-F.
I'm getting a little tired of the rude childish comments.

If you dont like meat or hunting.... go to another thread.

[Lady_Di]

Sheriff D...... Nice picture.
Shocking-- ummm,NO.

As far as I'm concerned, Deer-Bear-Chicken-Cow-Turkey-Pig etc are ALL here for the eaten.

And Id rather go shoot my own than eat the crap in stores full of hormones ,dye and all kinds of other stuff.

I'm gonna slaughter a cow that has been fattened up over at my brothers in about 2 weeks and then I'm gonna run up into the canyon and get me a Bear.

You know, I dont knock people that dont eat meat- I have friends that I love and respect.
And in return, my friends respect me, and I think thats pretty cool (y)

Im a hard working butch and I cant live on bean sprouts and salads.
I need the red meat.

Grunt................


~~~ Amen. ~~~

[Sheriff D]

Yep, it's against the law here in Vermont to bait 'em. I expect the game warden to show up at my door any minute now.

Now in the Godless state of Texas (my birthplace), they can bait and feed them all day. Good thing I don't regularly hunt like that or else we'd have ourselves an awful mess around here...AND I have no recipes for 'em!

;)

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

[QUOTE=xjackhammer;2138612]
And hell yes, I'm sensitive, Ive seen comments about Thanksgiving being a Holocaust and Icons of Turkeys with their tail feathers being a middle finger posted all over the B-F.
I'm getting a little tired of the rude childish comments.
QUOTE]

Oh golly...but am I glad I missed the turkey holocaust business...|-)

And I have PM'd Mr. insensitive. Thanks, jack.

~SD~

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

mmmmm...bear lard sure does sound mighty tasty!

[ArwenN]

It does, doesn't it. Here's a recipe to use it in.

Bear Pastry
1 lb. bear lard
5 cups white flour
1 tsp. baking powder
1 tsp. salt
1 egg
1 tbs.. white vinegar
water

To render bear fat, set fat in a 200-250 degree F oven in a large pan, let set all day. Pour off into sealers. May be stored in freezer.

Mix bear lard, flour, baking powder and salt.

Beat egg in measuring cup.

To this egg add vinegar, then fill to 3/4 mark with cold water.

Put all together and mix well.

Shape in a roll and store in fridge.

This will make 3 large pie crusts.

More bear recipes here. (http://www.bowhunting.net/susieq/bear.html)

[Sheriff D]

to end the day with...

http://www.exzooberance.com/virtual%20zoo/they%20walk/deer/White-Tailed%20Deer%20104027.jpg

~SD~

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

http://www.idausa.org/facts/hunting.html

[Sheriff D]

http://www.idausa.org/facts/hunting.html

Anyone wishing to respond, please do so on another thread that addresses pros and cons of hunting, if you like it, or whatever. This thread is for hunters and interested supporters.

*Reporting above post*

~SD~

[xjackhammer]

http://www.idausa.org/facts/hunting.html

I also reported this.
Right on Sheriff D.

Now back to the hunt ;)

[ArwenN]

Sheriff D, kudos to you for keeping this thread on topic.

So what do you think the best cut of the deer is?

[Medusa]

I dont know much about cuts of deer but I did have a deer tenderloin one time that had been marinated in garlic, beer, and some other stuff and it was REALLY good....and I dont even care for deer that much!

I have also had deer chili before!

Cuts?! Where does the roast come from? The ass?

[Sheriff D]

Sheriff D, kudos to you for keeping this thread on topic.

So what do you think the best cut of the deer is?


I am glad you asked. The tenderloin, definitely. This is a piece of meat you want to remove just after field dressing - and after weighing it in at the local weigh station, of course. It is such tender meat that it does not need to age at all, and you can remove it before skinning and hanging. In the body cavity, it is located on either side of the spine, and comes out easily, even with a knife dull used in dressing.

Next best is the backstrap (I mentioned in an earlier post that I had this on Sunday with my girl), and that is also on either side of the spine but on the back of the deer, below where the rib cage attaches. It also does not need to age, but it's okay if it does, too.

Both of these cuts can be cut into 1/2" medallions and cooked up in the frying pan on low-med heat, with butter and olive oil, fresh garlic, salt and pepper. Turn off the heat just before they are done and let the residual heat do the rest - you don't want to overcook! Very melt-in-your-mouth tender, and not in the least gamey.

It's those fast-twitch muscles (haunches, shoulders) you have to let drain for a day or two so they are not gamey tasting.

Try not to slobber on your keyboard!

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

I dont know much about cuts of deer but I did have a deer tenderloin one time that had been marinated in garlic, beer, and some other stuff and it was REALLY good....and I dont even care for deer that much!

I have also had deer chili before!

Cuts?! Where does the roast come from? The ass?

Well, technically you can have a shoulder roast or a rump roast, but I also have a recipe for venison neck pot roast, in which the writer purports that "cooked this way, the neck is one of the best eating roasts on a deer". I have not had it, but it sounds great. Can give ya that recipe, too...;)

~SD~

[Medusa]

I doubt I will have any deer in the house any time soon, Jack seems to have developed an obsession with this bear-thing.

I told him I would be ok with it as long as he had the head mounted.(y)

[Sheriff D]

I doubt I will have any deer in the house any time soon, Jack seems to have developed an obsession with this bear-thing.

I told him I would be ok with it as long as he had the head mounted.(y)

Well, Ma'am, you might like a cozy bear rug, too. Just a thought!

~SD~

[Medusa]

Totally!

I dont know where we are going to send it to get it tanned but I also want to save the claws!! Have seen some gorgeous jewelry made from bear claws and I think I read somewhere that they are supposed to be good luck??

[Sheriff D]

Totally!

I dont know where we are going to send it to get it tanned but I also want to save the claws!! Have seen some gorgeous jewelry made from bear claws and I think I read somewhere that they are supposed to be good luck??


I don't know about the good luck on the claws, but getting a bear has to be good luck in itself.

Now I am wondering what jack uses as a firearm?

~SD~

[Kiwi]

Cool-hand-luke and others in opposition to hunting:

This thread is not for hunting debate. Do not come in this thread and bait.

Thanks,

[Lady_Di]

I dont know much about cuts of deer but I did have a deer tenderloin one time that had been marinated in garlic, beer, and some other stuff and it was REALLY good....and I dont even care for deer that much!

I have also had deer chili before!

Cuts?! Where does the roast come from? The ass?

*** FLANK *** ?

The best roasts are up where they along the back, and some seem to think the tenderloin. Prime Rib Cut is still my favourite. As well as where we cut the Porterhouse of any Red meat animal. Basically we cut them the same as a cow, no? Am I off base here? But even with a lamb we do standing rib roasts, etc.

(btw, this is making me really miss my Atkins, thank you very much!)

But roasts can come from several cuts, the way I understand it... I have seen a butchers MAP, so to speak. And I am sure you can google one these days, I am sure.

~ pssssst, I hear yours is sweet, my love ~

Okay... now I wish I had gotten my elk license this year and I had gone hunting before I left the state. Yeah, yeah, so shoot me. Hate me if you want. But I would have loved to leave the state not only with beautiful meat in my larder so to speak, but a skin. I use every bit of what I take down. The menfolk that hunt in my circle, they put up meat for the whole year, feed their whole families, extended families at that, healthy and nutritious meats, with no additives whatsoever.

I will miss New Mexico, our traditional ways here. Recently I was speaking to a dear friend. Her father is the one who could butcher the kill. He would trade for a couple of sacks, about 50 pounds of pinto beans and plenty lots of squashes every autumn. A years worth of food stock. Her mom and her aunts would put up about 7-8 bushels of chile. Green chile, we roast it. Yummmmm... That scent is so New Mexico. I just mailed to Washington what I roasted this August and stuck in the freezer, what I had put up this season. I can not live without my green chile. It is a positive addiction. Seriously. I do not lie. Can not do it.

As far as the red chile... our tradition is we string it up and make into ristras and then we hang it on the side of the house. I usually have it next to the front door as a sign of plenty and welcome. We also do this with dried corn. The multi coloured beautiful stuff. We are the ones that preserved that ancient genetic stuff. To me it is so very beautiful. And it tastes particularly good with Bear Meat, btw... The red chile also hangs by my sink so I can cook with it always. These are some of what we do here with what we hunt with. Hunting is part of staying in touch with what we put in our mouths. (I PM'd someone to let him know that I respect the thing I kill, what they sacrifice, the life they give, to give me sustanance... I know where my meal comes from, the blood that has been let) These are still the staples of our diet. Just add to it the fresh veggies and fruits. It is a very well balanced native diet.


So, Medusa, was the venison chile/chili red or green?

I am from New Mexico, I had to ask. Seriously, that is a big question in this state, we really don't know, unless we ask. I prefer green, myself. And what ya'll do to red chile around this country is a darn right sin, imo. Ya'll should be shot!

*kidding*

Seriously...

Lady Di

[Sheriff D]

are not even available in the northeast!!! Not the *real* green ones. I miss them from Texas, although Texans hardly have the appreciation you all do in New Mexico. I have always known I could live in New Mexico and you remind me why...a respect for the land, a love of food, and plenty of open sky and land to roam and hunt.

Old time Vermonters often can their meats as a way to preserve them. Even the toughest meat becomes tender over time canned with gravy, and then they have it over potatoes all winter. And many have maple syrup with *everything*, including their meat, not just pancakes or breakfast. I do not know anyone in Vermont who is anything but a meat hunter, including me.

I have never had Elk, although I would really love to someday. You have taken down an
elk, Lady Di? :) What do you shoot, may I ask? And what does an average elk weigh? Moose here in Vermont clock in anywhere from 400 - 1000 lbs! You have to have a second shooter with you by law and an army of people on call to handle that!

(f)

~SD~

[tori]

not a recipe, but a preparation i had the other night at a local restaurant.

Capriolo alla griglia: A leg of Cervena venison rubbed with crushed juniper, black pepper, cloves and garlic, then grilled to medium-rare and sliced. Served with Anson Mills heirloom polenta taragna, sautéed Savoy cabbage, and a nebbiolo wine reduction.

this was one of the most amazing things i've ever eaten in my life. just saying.

[Sheriff D]

not a recipe, but a preparation i had the other night at a local restaurant.

Capriolo alla griglia: A leg of Cervena venison rubbed with crushed juniper, black pepper, cloves and garlic, then grilled to medium-rare and sliced. Served with Anson Mills heirloom polenta taragna, sautéed Savoy cabbage, and a nebbiolo wine reduction.

this was one of the most amazing things i've ever eaten in my life. just saying.

Whoa...thanks for sharing!

~SD~

[corkey47]

Arright, I use a marinade of milk for 24 hours, roast Venison, ummm then cumin thyme rosemary and bourbon, cook on low for 3 hours on 250*

Slirp;)

[Sheriff D]

Gee golly AND it is dinnertime! I am being tortured in a most excellent manner.

I am loving the food and cooking ideas...keep 'em comin'!

Thanks, Corkey

~SD~

[corkey47]

Gee golly AND it is dinnertime! I am being tortured in a most excellent manner.

I am loving the food and cooking ideas...keep 'em comin'!

Thanks, Corkey

~SD~

You are welcome Sir, however though I agree with the right to hunt, I must state that I only hunt for food or to cull a herd, as this is bennificial to the eco system, it isn't a slam to those who hunt for sport. My opinion, and NO I don't eat road kill, though I worked as a cook at the "Roadkill Cafe", it wasn't roadkill.:D

[Morningstar]

I dont know much about cuts of deer but I did have a deer tenderloin one time that had been marinated in garlic, beer, and some other stuff and it was REALLY good....and I dont even care for deer that much!

I have also had deer chili before!

Cuts?! Where does the roast come from? The ass?



hey ya's deer folks....... :)
medusa.......... i love deer chili and can make a good pot of it ;) ...

last month ........ i ran over 2 bucks in the same night.... 1 going to pick up a load and another coming bk .. :'( ..... dammm ....... ya know..... i felt soo friggin horriable hitting them...... they just ran right out in front of my truck :'( ...... some nice looking bucks too.
the 1st one i stoped to look for him but couldn't find him.. the 2nd one .. i had no where to pull over.... :'( ..
I just hope someone found them .. soon ...
ya know......... I love deer meat..... but can't hunt them...
i have friends whom are hunters...... i wil buy them tags to get me deer meat...
but runnin em over.. :| .. it was rut season and well.... i know how them bucks get crazy out there.

[Morningstar]

Arright, I use a marinade of milk for 24 hours, roast Venison, ummm then cumin thyme rosemary and bourbon, cook on low for 3 hours on 250*

Slirp;)




hmmmmmmm thats sounds interesting... and yummy .. saving this in my recipe folder. ;)

[Sheriff D]

You are welcome Sir, however though I agree with the right to hunt, I must state that I only hunt for food or to cull a herd, as this is bennificial to the eco system, it isn't a slam to those who hunt for sport. My opinion, and NO I don't eat road kill, though I worked as a cook at the "Roadkill Cafe", it wasn't roadkill.:D

I am a meat hunter. I don't hunt for sport, although I enjoy it immensely. I do not get a thrill out of killing for the sake of it. I don't know anyone like that, and I know a lot of hunters. Well, I take that back...I work in a prison, so I may be wrong. :|

I had a sig line pic up of my deer harvest this year which I removed because I think it was completely misunderstood. It just got used as a diving board into the scummy pond of judgment. Some people are horrified by death, especially of what they perceive as "defenseless" animals, ok. I can understand that. My own excitement about my harvest was all that was behind my posting that pic. I took a picture of my deer and me because I wanted to remember everything about the deer and that day. I can't expect everyone to understand that, and I didn't, but I did expect people not to assume really really bad things of me because of their feelings about it.

~SD~

[Morningstar]

I am a meat hunter. I don't hunt for sport, although I enjoy it immensely. I do not get a thrill out of killing for the sake of it. I don't know anyone like that, and I know a lot of hunters. Well, I take that back...I work in a prison, so I may be wrong. :|

I had a sig line pic up of my deer harvest this year which I removed because I think it was completely misunderstood. It just got used as a diving board into the scummy pond of judgment. Some people are horrified by death, especially of what they perceive as "defenseless" animals, ok. I can understand that. My own excitement about my harvest was all that was behind my posting that pic. I took a picture of my deer and me because I wanted to remember everything about the deer and that day. I can't expect everyone to understand that, and I didn't, but I did expect people not to assume really really bad things of me because of their feelings about it.

~SD~



.and it was a awsome pic too ;) (y)

[Sheriff D]

I am seriously paranoid that I am going to post on the wrong thread now because of the (misrepresentative) title of that other thread, and the fact that Peach laid down a threat.

(The "Deer Hunting" thread, for you unsuspecting souls, is an anti-hunting thread...I think!).

I am so confused...:s

~SD~

[Medusa]

I am a meat hunter. I don't hunt for sport, although I enjoy it immensely. I do not get a thrill out of killing for the sake of it. I don't know anyone like that, and I know a lot of hunters. Well, I take that back...I work in a prison, so I may be wrong. :|

I had a sig line pic up of my deer harvest this year which I removed because I think it was completely misunderstood. It just got used as a diving board into the scummy pond of judgment. Some people are horrified by death, especially of what they perceive as "defenseless" animals, ok. I can understand that. My own excitement about my harvest was all that was behind my posting that pic. I took a picture of my deer and me because I wanted to remember everything about the deer and that day. I can't expect everyone to understand that, and I didn't, but I did expect people not to assume really really bad things of me because of their feelings about it.

~SD~

I wouldnt worry too much about it. That pond of judgement is filled with people who claim to be against the 'killing of defenseless animals' but who are wearing leather jackets and shoes and sitting their asses on leather couches.

Because we all know that leather is sent down from Heaven in a pretty little package!

[corkey47]

I am a meat hunter. I don't hunt for sport, although I enjoy it immensely. I do not get a thrill out of killing for the sake of it. I don't know anyone like that, and I know a lot of hunters. Well, I take that back...I work in a prison, so I may be wrong. :|

I had a sig line pic up of my deer harvest this year which I removed because I think it was completely misunderstood. It just got used as a diving board into the scummy pond of judgment. Some people are horrified by death, especially of what they perceive as "defenseless" animals, ok. I can understand that. My own excitement about my harvest was all that was behind my posting that pic. I took a picture of my deer and me because I wanted to remember everything about the deer and that day. I can't expect everyone to understand that, and I didn't, but I did expect people not to assume really really bad things of me because of their feelings about it.

~SD~

Sir I respect you right to your freedom of speach, and to see your sig line the way you would want. There are some on here that truly do offend me, but I don't say anything out of respect for their right to post it. This is all subjective now isn't it. Feed ME, I'm hungry, Want some Venison:D :P

[Sheriff D]

I wouldnt worry too much about it. That pond of judgement is filled with people who claim to be against the 'killing of defenseless animals' but who are wearing leather jackets and shoes and sitting their asses on leather couches.

Because we all know that leather is sent down from Heaven in a pretty little package!


I have a serious opinion about this, which I guess I might cheekily call "life dysphoria", or certainly "food and clothing dysphoria". We get to be all high and mighty in this cozy little consumer society of ours, no don't we?

~SD~

[Morningstar]

I am seriously paranoid that I am going to post on the wrong thread now because of the (misrepresentative) title of that other thread, and the fact that Peach laid down a threat.

(The "Deer Hunting" thread, for you unsuspecting souls, is an anti-hunting thread...I think!).

I am so confused...:s

~SD~


... it is?? :| .. ya know....... i just came on line ..... and i seen that thread.. on the front page.. and thought it was this thread.,.:s not sure how i got confused with that. but i started seeing nic names in there i hadn't seen before... in THIS thread..
then got to looking at the title of the thread...... and knew i was not in the right one.
but thought...... wow 2 deer hunting threads.
soo anyways.... i posted here.... but went to look for the deer hunting thread..... and couldn't find it.. :s .. soo all of a sudden its gone??? I am so losted here... :'(


Medusa ..... I agree. ;)

[Sheriff D]

... it is?? :| .. ya know....... i just came on line ..... and i seen that thread.. on the front page.. and thought it was this thread.,.:s not sure how i got confused with that. but i started seeing nic names in there i hadn't seen before... in THIS thread..
then got to looking at the title of the thread...... and knew i was not in the right one.
but thought...... wow 2 deer hunting threads.
soo anyways.... i posted here.... but went to look for the deer hunting thread..... and couldn't find it.. :s .. soo all of a sudden its gone??? I am so losted here... :'(


Medusa ..... I agree. ;)

That thread has since been renamed, praise be. The new title is "In Opposition to Game Hunting". I asked that it be renamed last night IF, in fact, it was supposed to be anti-hunting, which I could never quite tell but suspected; in either case, I argued that it would be too confusing for folks. I guess chaos had to ensue first, but no matter, it is gratefully done. I guess thanks are in order for Peach. *Thank you*, and sorry for the unintended disruption on my part. And I am not posting that over there, outta fearin' for my B-F life!

Carry on,
~SD~

[Morningstar]

That thread has since been renamed, praise be. The new title is "In Opposition to Game Hunting". I asked that it be renamed last night IF, in fact, it was supposed to be anti-hunting, which I could never quite tell but suspected; in either case, I argued that it would be too confusing for folks. I guess chaos had to ensue first, but no matter, it is gratefully done. I guess thanks are in order for Peach. *Thank you*, and sorry for the unintended disruption on my part. And I am not posting that over there, outta fearin' for my B-F life!

Carry on,
~SD~


..aahhhhhh ... ya know.... when i seen "" deer hunting"" i thought it was another deer hunting thread like this one... and went over and peeked in it. and oh my ..... read a lot of crazy stuff going on.. ..
and wanted to post.. but came bk here to do that. then went to look for the other one again and it was gone...........
thats good it got changed...... cause it was confusing if it was for those against hunting ...
think it was a trick to get us hunters over there........ ya think?? lol hate to laff about it but ......... think they baited us....... lmao... *whhewww ** ok.....
bk to eating my freshly smoked turkey leg.. :P

[Sheriff D]

..aahhhhhh ... ya know.... when i seen "" deer hunting"" i thought it was another deer hunting thread like this one... and went over and peeked in it. and oh my ..... read a lot of crazy stuff going on.. ..
and wanted to post.. but came bk here to do that. then went to look for the other one again and it was gone...........
thats good it got changed...... cause it was confusing if it was for those against hunting ...
think it was a trick to get us hunters over there........ ya think?? lol hate to laff about it but ......... think they baited us....... lmao... *whhewww ** ok.....
bk to eating my freshly smoked turkey leg.. :P

Yes, indeed, I suspected baiting myself. And that's illegal up here in the north country!


~SD~

[Morningstar]

Yes, indeed, I suspected baiting myself. And that's illegal up here in the north country!


~SD~


........ lol ..... north country?? what part of north country??
i am from buffalo NY and believe it or not..... there r a ton of deer there.....in that area and a lot of hunters.

[Woodie69]

Hi All,

I just found this thread. I so want to learn to hunt. :P It is something that I have always wanted to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting. I perceive it as a sport. The same as fishing, and everyone knows how much I love big game fishing! You would never tell by my marlin, dolphin, and tuna on the walls.;)

Over the Thanksgiving holiday I was at a beautiful resort in Farmington, PA called Nemacolin Woodlands Resort. There was a hunting lodge that was apart of the grounds where we were staying. Inside the hunting lodge were mounted animals of all kinds from all over the world, and huge fireplaces going. They were giving shooting lessons with both guns and bows/arrows. They had a clay skeet range outback of the lodge where you could practice shooting. Also, there was a section for those using bows/arrows. It was a first class place if you ask me.

If anyone has any ideas of how I can get started in hunting please let me know. I am all ears on this topic!

Thanks,
Andrew (hoping this is the right thread I am suppose to be in)

[Morningstar]

Hi All,

I just found this thread. I so want to learn to hunt. :P It is something that I have always wanted to do. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hunting. I perceive it as a sport. The same as fishing, and everyone knows how much I love big game fishing! You would never tell by my marlin, dolphin, and tuna on the walls.;)

Over the Thanksgiving holiday I was at a beautiful resort in Farmington, PA called Nemacolin Woodlands Resort. There was a hunting lodge that was apart of the grounds where we were staying. Inside the hunting lodge were mounted animals of all kinds from all over the world, and huge fireplaces going. They were giving shooting lessons with both guns and bows/arrows. They had a clay skeet range outback of the lodge where you could practice shooting. Also, there was a section for those using bows/arrows. It was a first class place if you ask me.

If anyone has any ideas of how I can get started in hunting please let me know. I am all ears on this topic!

Thanks,
Andrew (hoping this is the right thread I am suppose to be in)


yes woodie..... u are in the right thread.... ;)
i cannot help u on the learning to hunt topic but i am sure others whom r in this thread can help........
i would suggest....... practice hitting targets... gotta start somewhere.
i always wanted to learn to shoot bow myself. ;)

[TheRealJLO]

hey woodie...

I haven't been in here forever. I've been in the slow process of learning. last year I gotmy license and went out about 3 times rabbit hunting. it was really late in the season and we only saw one rabbit and i missed. boooo!

I am supposed to go out buck hunting in the near future...like this week. I can't wait. In the mean time my brother takes me out skeet shoot as often as possible. if i go like 2 times in a week I'm great, and will hit them te second they hit the air. if i don't go for awhile I might as well throw his shot gun in their air cause I'd have a better chance of hitting one.

I try not to view hunting as a sport. around here what you hit you eat, and if you don't eat it, there are plenty of families on a verbal list that you go to and give it to them because they NEED it. I wish it didn't cost like 90$ to get a deer butchered, because then i would have gone out all last year. But I thought it was wrong to go out because if i hit one, then what would i do?

one of the biggest problems I've heardofherein jersey is plenty of hunters might go out and they will hit one and their kid will hit one. And they would love to donate the meat to a shelter, esp during the holidays. unfortunately the shelters won't take the 100+ lbs of free meat unless you pay to get it butchered first. OY. Catch 22

[Morningstar]

hey woodie...

I haven't been in here forever. I've been in the slow process of learning. last year I gotmy license and went out about 3 times rabbit hunting. it was really late in the season and we only saw one rabbit and i missed. boooo!

I am supposed to go out buck hunting in the near future...like this week. I can't wait. In the mean time my brother takes me out skeet shoot as often as possible. if i go like 2 times in a week I'm great, and will hit them te second they hit the air. if i don't go for awhile I might as well throw his shot gun in their air cause I'd have a better chance of hitting one.

I try not to view hunting as a sport. around here what you hit you eat, and if you don't eat it, there are plenty of families on a verbal list that you go to and give it to them because they NEED it. I wish it didn't cost like 90$ to get a deer butchered, because then i would have gone out all last year. But I thought it was wrong to go out because if i hit one, then what would i do?

one of the biggest problems I've heardofherein jersey is plenty of hunters might go out and they will hit one and their kid will hit one. And they would love to donate the meat to a shelter, esp during the holidays. unfortunately the shelters won't take the 100+ lbs of free meat unless you pay to get it butchered first. OY. Catch 22



,........... hey stranger......... wb.... ({)TheRealJLO(})

[Woodie69]

Hey TheRealJLO,

My neighbor hunts duck, geese, rabbit, and deer. He does his own butchering. His Grandfather taught him how to hunt, and how to butcher all the different animals. Yes, here too (in MD) most everyone who does hunt, does stay within their legal limits. Some even just hunt for specific food shelters, and for those who are on a set income that want the deer meat, duck or goose. That is the only reason why I would be interested in pursuing it. I would be the one donating everything I shot. I am not one to waste anything. Way too many people and children are starving in this country. I was one of those starving when I was homeless. I know how it feels.

I still consider hunting a sport. I really don't find any reason for not hunting.

I would not be using a rifle (my younger brother suicided by using my father's hunting rifle). I would be using a bow and many, many arrows.:D

Andrew

[TheRealJLO]

sorry to hear about your brother. never leaves you when someting like that happens.

[Sheriff D]

Hey Woodie and JLO and Morningstar!

Woodie - first step is to get your hunting license, and this requires taking a hunter saftey class. I assume you want to deer hunt since you only want to hunt with a bow and not a firearm (you said no rifles but am I to take that to mean ALL firearms - ie. no shotguns, either?). You can hunt turkeys with bows, too, but they are so incredbly challenging even with a shotgun that I wouldn't suggest starting with them!

Hunter safety class is required in every state before you can purchase a license. It is a 20 hour course and includes both written and field tests which you must pass at the course's conclusion. Then, ince you want to bow hunt, you have to take a bow safety class which is not as many hours but also has two tests (I assume - I have not taken that one myself - yet!). Both classes give you all rules and regs, and they go over in great detail ethics, safety, and best preactices. As I said, this is required by law, but you also meet a lot of people with your same interests and enthusiasm who can point you in good directions. All info for hunter safety classes can be found on your state's fish and game website. Just FYI - the classes tend to happen in clusters right before the fall and spring hunting seasons - so Sept, Oct, and then March - at least that is the case in New Hampshire (where I took my class), and Vermont, where I live an hunt.

Once you pass your class, it is good for life, and you just show your certificate (or last year's license) each year when you buy a new license. I think they always welcome folks to do refresher courses, however, esp if you have moved to an entirely different part of the country and want to learn things appropriate to that area, because the instructors tell a lot of personal stories and survival skills are a big part of it. Mainly, the course is about technical knowledge, so to learn to hunt, you have to do a lot of studying of habitat, behavior, and life cycles of your chosen prey. It took me five years to be a part of a successful deer hunt. The years prior, I did a lot of things wrong, but I learned from every mistake.

JLO - I will say more to you in another post - this one's already too long!

Good Luck, Woodie!

~SD~

[Woodie69]

Hiya Sheriff and The RealJLO,

My neighbor has promised to teach me how to butcher the meat once I get myself going. I think next year I will be enrolling in the hunting/safety class - thanks for the idea SD! I have to get myself through my hand/wrist surgery, and time to heal before I take anything else on.

I have no desire to pick up a firearm of any kind. Way too emotional for me to even consider that method of hunting. My younger brother's suicide haunts me to this very day. I was the last one to see him alive on the stretcher with all the EMTs around him.

Anyway, I do think hunting would be something that is relaxing and fun to do.(y)

Thanks for the tips and all,
Andrew

[Sheriff D]

Oh Yeah,

I wanted to also say that there are videos available to help you with butchering. Quartering a deer is pretty easy. JLO - often there are instructional videosavailable in hunting shops. I have a good one that shows how to quarter, and then you can put it in a cooler for a couple of days to age (or the bottom of your fridge) before you butcher properly. I think you are in CA? So I assume you could not hang it in the barn to age a couple of days like we do here in VT - therefore, the cooler or fridge for you. That's what my dad does in TX.

Get you a sharp knife, a hacksaw (for bones), and a video (less than $90 right there!) or someone to teach you, and you are all set.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Friends and Neighbors,

I have just started a thread entitled "Animal Stewardship", which you can find at the following address:

http://www.butch-femme.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=27261

I started it because I am interested in the discussion going on on the Opposition thread, but I don't want to intrude there for obvious reasons. I am hoping I inspire an actual discussion (as opposed to mud-slinging). I know those of you who are interested in wild animals have thought about this topic, so please chime in.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Well, I was talking to my girl tonight about how important it is to me that I can talk to other folks on here who are interested in hunting and fishing, because otherwise it is a pretty straight scene, which does get old.

Anyway, that is my warm-fuzzy contribution for the evening....

(y)

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Back from my hunting trip with my Dad down in East Texas the first week of January.

It was awesome - there must be 3-4 more hours of daylight there this time of year than up here in VT. I hunted almost all day for four days. We were hunting deer, feral hogs and squirrels. We ended up with two young hogs and some squirrels, but no deer. I saw deer almost everyday, but they were either too far off, unidentifiable (we only had one buck tag - and there are specific restrictions on rack sizes now which take some careful id'ing), on the wrong property, after legal shooting hours, etc etc etc.

It was great to be back home. I miss Texas a lot sometimes.

We had a great time. My Dad just bought a Browning 270 WSM - awesome rifle with little recoil due to a gas chamber (or something like that) in the stock, which is what I hunted with (for the hogs and deer) when I was there. I don't understand the mechanism, but I have a regular 270 that kicks twice as hard that I never really look forward to siting it in because I know my shoulder is gonna pay. I used a 20 gauge shotgun for the squirrels. Dad marinated those for a day and we baked them - I couldn't believe how good they were!

Jack - did you go bear hunting?

~SD~

[Bebo]

Howdy SD, another excellent thread. I am an avid hunter. I love it. Never take more than my share. 2006 was my first deer hunt. I have a farm in northern Ontario and have a lot of deer here. I don't leave my land to hunt. Anyway back to the 'big game'. I had a couple of friends from the Hamilton area come up to hunt that year as well. I had chosen my spot and told the fellas where it was. Of course we went out and did a recon first. They had a good laugh when they saw ny chosen spot. Seems that with all their wisdom they were positive I was wasting my time. I had spent all year watching the patterns of the deer. To make a long story short, on opening day at 1630 hrs I had an eight point buck that field dressed at better than 200 lbs!!! Holy sh--!! What a magnificent animal. I had spent several hours just sitting, scanning my piece of bush/field. He appeared out of nowhere. I was using a 3030 marlin,my fave, and it was 1 clean shot. He didn't blink, just dropped. I guess you could say I have a 'thing' for Artemis. I have a shrine to her on my land and that is where the heart went. I butchered it myself rather than send it out. He hung in the barn for about 4 or 5 days. The weather was perfect. We de-boned the whole carcass. I think it's the best venison I've ever had. I also hunt rabbits and grouse. For those it always depends on my mood. Maybe the 12 gauge or the 410 or perhaps the .22. I also do a fair bit of target shooting. I want to construct a proper range this year. Also entertaining the thought of moose hunting this year. Don't have those right on the property though. I have a friend that wants to hunt bear here this year. I have watched them in the back field. There are getting to be a few around so perhaps a 'harvest' this year wouldn't be a bad iudea. We'll see how the population is later in the spring. Thanks for the placeto shoot the breeze about hunting. Bebo
p.s. The guys got skunked.

[xjackhammer]

Jack - did you go bear hunting?

~SD~


Hey Bro, Im quietly reading ;)
No.... didnt get the chance to get out yet, my Company is keeping me real busy.
Im planning to go out for a Pig hunt sometime this month though, just for the day.


Congrats on your bounty by the way!!!!
Them young Hogs (little footballs) are good eating.


........ side note..........
Woodie69
Bow-Hunting is very respectable.......your gonna love it!!!!

[Sheriff D]

Hey Jack, too bad about being so busy. That's the thing about construction, huh? I am just lucky enough to have a teaching job as a carpentry instructor now. Spares my (old feeling) back and gives me some good time off. Have you ever hunted hogs before? Sounds like maybe so. Yes, they are great eating: free-range organic, don'tchaknow. These two were running around in a litter pack - about ten of them, all the same age, I'd say 4-6 mo., under 50 lbs each. Perfect. I am surprised we did not get more than two (assuming one each), since we fired at the pack simultaneously at close range with high-powered rifles. They can get monstrous, you know. Occassionally you'll hear some crazy thing about someone shooting an 1100 lb one (supposedly just happened in Georgia), but the biggest one my Dad has gotten was 250 or so.

B - thanks for posting, man! Great to have another hunter on the premises. Congrats on your buck - sounds like a beauty all around. So, what was your hunting spot like and why were the guys doubting you? I am not surprised you skunked them on your own land. Why wouldn't you know the deer travel patterns better than anyone? Lucky Dog, you, to have so much land. Me, I am a state land hunter. Are the rabbits you hunt snowshoe hare? And do you use dogs?

I'm going to post more on bow-hunting later. I am due to move to the big city soon, to a state with lots of gun laws and too many people, so I've got to learn it. Have already contacted a guy about taking archery lessons.

~SD~

PS> I hear quiet reading is good for the mind, and sometimes the reputation, and certainly for the ol' blood pressure. :)

[Sheriff D]

Welp,

since I am home sick today, I went web surfing to research slingshots since I am in the market for one. I found this link:
http://www.execulink.com/~environm/index.html#top

which I wanted to share with Bebo since s/he is in Northern Ontario as well. Seems like a real friendly (and gay friendly, says so more than once right on his site) outdoorsman. Ever heard of him?

If anyone has any slingshot recommendations, I'd be interested.

~SD~

[queenofsmirks]

Lucky Dog, you, to have so much land.

My father (an avid hunter) lives in Colorado, but travels to Texas to hunt... go figure. Well, I should clarify - he hunts in CO and WY, but goes to TX to hunt wild boar (I think).

[Sheriff D]

My father (an avid hunter) lives in Colorado, but travels to Texas to hunt... go figure. Well, I should clarify - he hunts in CO and WY, but goes to TX to hunt wild boar (I think).



I'm betting it's feral hogs - there's a plethora of 'em down there, at least, there are on my Dad's land in east TX. European species, non-native, descended from farm escapees, and probably from the conquistadors ships. In fact, escaped pigs are thought to be blamed for much of the disease that was spread to Native Americans back in the day. They are walking petri dishes for human disease, apparently.

Either that, or it's javelina, the native wild boar of TX. A different beast entirely.

~SD~

[Mir]

Range Time! (note: opinionated purist, read for amusement if not advice)

Well, two steps.
1) Practice shooting. Compound, don't start out as a purist. Compound is harder to draw but easier to hold at full draw. You probably have a legal minimum draw weight, I normally see 45#. Sidebar: draw up not down. Point the arrow at the ground as you draw, especially until you're over the pulley or a misfire will go *amazing* places. Get *good*. If you only wound your prey you have to trail it - both of you will be in more pain than necessary, and it's not the critter's fault! Practice different distances and circumstances, there should be a walking range you can get to for the best practice once you're getting your arrows in red/gold on the 20yd indoor range. Learn to estimate distance and use sighting pins - again, being new is not the time to be a purist. Learn the importance of understanding what deflects an arrow, and thinking through your trajectory to make sure it works.

2) Practice hunting. In hunting season, don't do this in hunting areas, there are a lot of fools who shoot movement at 70yards. Frequently each other. It's the only good time for them to be as inaccurate as they are. Anyway, practice hunting. Learn to move as quietly and smoothly as you can in the clothes you've chosen for hunting. Boots are hard to get the hang of. Avoid brushing against branches, learn to move them aside with bow or hand and you'll have to worry less about scent on other parts of you. Learn your equipment, if you use a stand how quietly can you set it up? How little can you touch the lower part of the tree as you do? I've not done that so no opinion on all those equipment bits.

You see, I *am* a purist. I believe in 30yds as max legitimate range, I believe in stalking not stands, in fact I grew up "deer-smacking", sneaking up on a deer. The goal is to slap it on the rump. Don't try this in hunting season either, learn during the summer.

I can't hunt now, partly because of the aforementioned fools and partly my chest freezer is unplugged at a family house till I can get property to hunt on. I keep my hand in by continuing to deer-smack.

On beautiful things, the elk herd coming down out of the hills in the early morning fog...

fwiw
Mir

[Sheriff D]

Mir,

thanks a lot for the info. I'm not sure I understand some of what you said, so I have some questions for ya.

Are you saying to start with a compound bow? I had actually decided to start with a recurve or long bow, just because I don't have endless finances, and the compound bows seem more gadgety in general, and like they need adjusting regularly, etc., whereas long bows or recurves are pretty straightforward. Also, I like the idea of instinctive shooting (http://www.flybow.de/18.htm)(what is used with recurves and longs), and I think I would be good at it. But I'll find out!

What kind of bow do you use now?

As far as practicing and range, both of those seem like good advice to me. 30 yards is something I have heard before, and I would not even attempt taking an animal with a bow until I was real confident. I have mixed feelings about a tree stand, not only from a safety perspective (I do have one, which I have used, and I have a full body harness), but I just would prefer to move around more. Around here, a person can practically freeze to death sitting there.

I have never in my life heard of deer-smacking. I guess it's not too common in the northeast. I do believe in plenty of scouting, and am doing some now, since we finally have some snow on the ground, it is easier to track and see their patterns on the land I hunt. I would also love to find some drops - this is definitely a goal of mine!

I'd also like to hunt feral hogs with a bow down south.

Nice to see it so busy around here, especially with folks from different parts of the country.

~SD~

[Mir]

First, deer-smacking is a "Native American" (no more native than you, just first immigrants) game. Completely unsurprised you haven't heard of it, and not sure how many of the people still do it either - but I taught a great many boy scouts at camp!

Second, bows. It's all about quality for cost on what you can buy. You should be able to walk into a loan shop, particularly a gun/loan shop, and buy a used compound. You will not be able to do this (unless insanely lucky) with a longbow and not often with a recurve. Compounds have all those bits, yes. And I cordially detest them. *However* what the pulley does is very handy for a green hunter - it means that when you freeze or hesitate or wait for the right shot at full draw you *can* remain at full draw and not misfire or send your arrow any of the fascinating places it can go. A bow is (obviously) deadly force, and an arrow can ricochet and lose little of its speed. Back to why I don't go into public hunting areas. Due to those pulleys, drawing a compound is almost all the work up front before the pulley takes over. This makes it harder to draw than a traditional bow, but it means the most work is done in the draw. With a traditional bow, the most work is done at the end of the draw length not the middle, which means you're continuing the hardest part while you hesitate.

Sidebar on recurve vs longbow: Nothing in the world like the deep thrum of a longbow. It's also annoying to get through the bush and a less efficient user of both force and accuracy due to those straight thick limbs. A recurve bow is designed, engineered, through thousands of years, to more efficiently use force, reducing the (real term) tip waggle of the last foot or so of the limbs, which makes it send the arrow more cleanly and forcefully than a longbow of the same draw weight.

On instinctive: this is in fact what/how I shoot. I spent a lifetime developing it. It is indeed possible to fire from almost any position, etc., etc. Please note the word possible. This is something to work up to. You need to learn how to shoot well, and there is a lot of detail to doing that right. If you're concerned about money I suspect you're not planning on a year of lessons at a range? I'd be happy to do distance coaching in PM but there's no substitute for being able to watch you shoot. I'm trying not to bore non-archers to tears, but the thing about instinctive is that it's misnamed. People who want to be instinctive archers all too often try to do so from the start, snap-shooting incorrectly. What you're really after is training your reflexes so that you can do fast, adaptable controlled shooting. You build up to it. I think it should be called reflexive shooting, it's honing and training until the correct shot is reflex.

Stance, smooth nocking and aim are universal and the sights and kisspoint on a compound make it easier to learn. Draw will be different, as mentioned above, but compound favors the hunter and the person who simply hasn't built up arms and skills to a high enough level yet. Another gadget you should have is a trigger release (don't know what they're called now) - essentially, the smallest thing you can have holding the bowstring and the least you can roll it (it rolls off our fingers, you see, not sliding straight) the cleaner your shot will be.

I'm going to quit holding forth for a bit - I'm truly happy to babble archery technique but this list is about hunting not intensive study of one means of doing so...

Sorry, riflefolk... feel free to launch into retaliatory discussion of gun bluing and the best stocks and reloading techniques...

wry
Mir

[Bebo]

Hog hunting?? Definitely don't have that here. Actually I have a 'pet' pig that would be devestated to even hear such things. Although he lives on a farm he has led a very sheltered life. Sooo.. other than him, it sounds excellent.
I also am interested in bow hunting. We have a range/sales archery shop near here that spends a lot of time with you, testing different types of bows etc before you purchase. It's on my to do list. I have 'played' with a longbow at an SCA event once years ago and really liked it. Thought about a crossbow and I think it's just a quiet gun. Not really different from a long gun at all. Am leaning towards a recurve. I will 'play' with it for a year before I will hunt deer with it. Grouse and rabbits always sharpen your skill. Of course lots of target practice first.

SD- Snowshoe hare and some otherthat I cannot remember the name of. They are yummy. Eastern Varying Hare or something.... I have 6 dogs. One of which is my retired, world's best hunting dog. She is only 7 but is almost completely blind. A hereditary Lab thing, Progressive Retinal Atrophy. She is fine in her home environment, but her hunting days are done. Bebo

[Sheriff D]

Don't worry, Mir, you are not derailing anything here, especially this time of year when deer season is over (although I think it's true that this thread does function as THE hunting thread for the site. I don't think there is quite the demand for a thread for each type of game yet!). We talk about whatever hunting experiences/techniques anyone wants to, so don't be shy about expounding on what you know, which seems to be a lot. This is great info.

I was going to guess that deer smacking was a Native American thing, but thanks for clarifying. I think it's a good idea to practice getting as close as possible to the deer without them detecting you, but I can't see myself ever smacking them with my hand. That seems like harrassment for no good reason, and I would rather not spook them more than necessary, since my ultimate goal is to harvest. Limited space here in the northeast makes me think that this is something you might do if you had lots of wide open space to choose from, like out west. If I have good hunting grounds, I am going to make a concerted effort not to spook those deer or scare them out of their beds unnecessarily. But I guess that is all neither here nor there.

You certainly have given me more to think about with compound vs. traditional. I am going to take lessons eventually, but I can handle $20 for a half hour every couple of weeks. I just assume that everytime I pick up a new weapon and/or game animal sport, I am going to drop close to a grand, once everything is factored in, so I was trying to pick just one bow! It's going to be an adventure, in any case, but I've got many other obligations, so I have to keep it reasonable. I am taking this up because I am going to have to hunt in more urban/suburban areas soon.

Thanks for the offer of continued help. I am sure I will have more questions as time goes on. Have you done competitive shooting as well?

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Hog hunting?? Definitely don't have that here. Actually I have a 'pet' pig that would be devestated to even hear such things. Although he lives on a farm he has led a very sheltered life. Sooo.. other than him, it sounds excellent.
I also am interested in bow hunting. We have a range/sales archery shop near here that spends a lot of time with you, testing different types of bows etc before you purchase. It's on my to do list. I have 'played' with a longbow at an SCA event once years ago and really liked it. Thought about a crossbow and I think it's just a quiet gun. Not really different from a long gun at all. Am leaning towards a recurve. I will 'play' with it for a year before I will hunt deer with it. Grouse and rabbits always sharpen your skill. Of course lots of target practice first.

SD- Snowshoe hare and some otherthat I cannot remember the name of. They are yummy. Eastern Varying Hare or something.... I have 6 dogs. One of which is my retired, world's best hunting dog. She is only 7 but is almost completely blind. A hereditary Lab thing, Progressive Retinal Atrophy. She is fine in her home environment, but her hunting days are done. Bebo

Yes, B, you heard it right - hog hunting. Make sure your little pig isn't looking and I'll give you a link: http://www.hunting-in-texas.com/texashoghunting.htm
Yep, it's fun AND delicious.

Are crossbows legal in Ontario? I think they are illegal in most states in the union except to the handicapped hunter.

As far as bow hunting small game - birds and rabbits - I just learned you can actually use a blunt arrow to the head for that, keeping the little meat in each undamaged.

Sounds like you've got some nice dogs. You got the life, huh? Awesome.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

I just found this link to field aging white tails (i.e. determining their age by looking). I thought it was excellent info.

http://www.1atexasdeerhunting.com/bodyagingdeer.htm

~SD~

[Mir]

Thanks, Sheriff. Yes, I've shot a bit of traditional competitive and coached (by circumstance) a high-level JOAD kid at scout camp... his world was so teched and refined and ...all the things I find unbeautiful in guns (fun toys but... no art to me. Various sharpshooter bars, but they don't sing). Cue Gum Sucking Old Fart music, only I've always been chasing things a generation or twenty ahead of me. I fletch, make strings, and have restored a couple of longbows. Now the arthritis is to the level I can only shoot 4 arrows at a time. Let's just say my marksmanship has suffered. Oh, and don't make all the arrows you can, hang out on a range 4 summers in a row and shoot a couple dozen before retrieving each time. Bowshock does *wonders* for your wrist...

On shooting birds, yes you can and the blunt's more about not killing your buddy than leaving the meat undamaged. Some purists say bruised meat isn't as good, can't say as I've noticed. The bird arrows also have "floo floo" (also real term) fletchings meant to provide drag so it does turn and fall near you... The trick with shooting into the air is that you're prey to several air layers and possible wind changes that way. I've never seriously worked on it...

wry
Mir

[Bebo]

I've never used the blunt arrows. Thought they were for targets. I know almost nothing about the tech aspects of bow hunting. I have gotten a few grouse and rabbits with an old antiquated longbow years ago. Haven't used one in several years. My own opinion on the bird shooting with a bow is that if they take wing I don't shoot. I love the challenge of getting in close. I don't notice a difference whether there's a little bruising or not. Mind you I had a buddy that hit a deer one year and rather than waste it we cut it up. Lost half the carcass to bruising. B

[Mir]

ok,

Broadhead: stereotype arrowhead, 2-6 blades, gotten very techno. Purpose: slice up and cause lots of bleeding. Doesn't tolerate stumps, rocks, bone for that matter well at all. These are the ones that the foam targets are made for, they don't beat them up nearly as badly as field points do.

Field point: Look at your typical ballpoint pen. See the point, on a small cone then a narrow section then flares out again? That's the basic design of a field point. It's designed to punch through armor originally, but is very able to survive rocks, etc. It is a pain to get out of a fencepost or tree. I've rasped off rock marks on the tip plenty of times...

Target point: recent point, soft bullet-look point that is only up to targets on haybales. I've seen them fail to punch into the tight targets, too. Rocks dent it badly. It's not going to bury itself fascinatingly in a tree...

Bird blunt: rubber not metal at all, flares wide to about 3/4" across at the tip. It's designed to punch a bird much like a falcon does and cause least harm to ye hunter or ye car. It's usually on an arrow that is also fletched with very wide soft feathers/vanes designed to create drag so that these arrows do not arc normally but make the first half of an arc then drop to the ground when it reaches the top.

Unca Mir's archery clinic... hey, you can get me started on what I can learn of your shooting errors from your target groups...

wry - I'm really only trying to answer questions I see asked, though I confess everything but the bird blunt *is* gratuitous...

Mir

[Bebo]

Excellent info Mir. My knowledge of archery has already tripled!! I am not a very technical type person and admire those that take their passions to that degree. I am an avid gun hunter. An excellent shot. I practice often with different guns. But shit, I only know the basic workings!! I guess I don't have a very inquiring mind. I have only dabbled with archery and find it amazing. Of all things it was my deer hunt this year, with a long gun, that really tweaked my interest in archery. I want more of a challenge. Don't get me wrong I love all hunting and target shooting, but found my 'big buck' to be a bit of a let down. And also, here in Ontario the deer season for bows is about a month longer. 2 weeks before and after gun season. The 2 weeks prior to gun season is when there is the best chance for the bucks. I have never gotten a doe tag in the 4 years I have hunted deer. It's done as a lottery. Supposed to be calculated by population etc. Doesn't seem right though. This area has become overpopulated and I hope they will issue more tags. Do you hunt as well as target shoot Mir? Thanks for the info. B

[Mir]

but I gotta tell you guys - :| my *vegetarian* wife just wound herself into a rant that the anti-hunting folks better not buy meat in the store, wear / use meat products....2 good minutes worth... (and I didn't post the play-by-play...eye opening!!)

Think I've corrupted her? She now says that not only can't she digest meat but she feels if she can't face killing it she's got no business eating it... and is now on hunters helping conservation...

All I did was mention the anti-hunting threads I noticed when searching for this one today...

*blink*

*fierce* vegetarian...

I love my wife!!!
Mir

[Sheriff D]

In my area here in Vermont, bow season is about 2 months long, whereas rifle season is two weeks long. If that is not incintive to take up bow hunting, I don't know what is!

Also, I will be moving to Boston, MA sometime in the next year. In that state, it is shotgun only and bow, and the bow season is much longer as well. Plus, I aniticipate hunting in densely populated areas. In western Conneticut, for example, there are some areas where the deer population is so dense that they will issue you another doe permit for each that you check in! Amazing how deer do so well even in urban suburban areas.

~SD~

[xjackhammer]

I put up a few pictures from our hunt in the gallery.
Not sure how long they will be allowed to be there, even though its a legal activity.

[Sheriff D]

I put up a few pictures from our hunt in the gallery.
Not sure how long they will be allowed to be there, even though its a legal activity.

(y) (y) (y)
Awesome shots, Jack! Congrats to you and Medusa. I'd love to put some up of my own hunts this season, but I can't figure out the whole damn pixel thing, how to shrink my pics and all that shit. I don't know if I need software or what the hell, but I'd love to share some pics as well. If anybody can help me with that, I'd be much obliged.

Anyway, aren't ya gonna tell some stories now?!?!?!?

~SD~

[xjackhammer]

Sheriff D

This is a free program and its what I use.
http://www.irfanview.com/


Ill be back for the stories.

Coffee is calling, and since Im home because of the rain... no work.

[Peach]

I put up a few pictures from our hunt in the gallery.
Not sure how long they will be allowed to be there, even though its a legal activity.

I told Medusa a couple of pics would be ok, as long as they werent TOO graphic, entrails and such, if you want to post THOSE kind, use another gallery and put a link in with a warning, folks then have a choice to view or not. while personally, I'm not keen on the photos of hunting stuff, as far as I know, its ok tp out them up. Like I said, as long as they arent really bloody and graphic, ok?

[Medusa]

I told Medusa a couple of pics would be ok, as long as they werent TOO graphic, entrails and such, if you want to post THOSE kind, use another gallery and put a link in with a warning, folks then have a choice to view or not. while personally, I'm not keen on the photos of hunting stuff, as far as I know, its ok tp out them up. Like I said, as long as they arent really bloody and graphic, ok?

We saved the really graphic ones for your christmas card! ;) LOL
No, seriously we are just going to put the gross ones on photobucket or something.
We appreciated the fact that we can post the ones that we did post and look forward to sharing more (offline).

SheriffD~ We actually brought a hoof home for our dog because we saw the 'hog dogs' at camp going nuts over them. When our dog saw it, she took one look at it and gave Jack a dirty look and then ran in the house and hid behind the door.
I told Jack that the hair on the pig looked a lot like her hair and it probably scared her!
Besides, she is a pampered pooch and only has ever eaten cooked meat in the form of hamburgers and steak leftovers!

[wolfsong069]

No, seriously we are just going to put the gross ones on photobucket or something.
We appreciated the fact that we can post the ones that we did post and look forward to sharing more (offline).



Nice pics.....

I am reminded of being in West Germany out at Grafenwoehr when I was still a young PFC. Myself and a corporal were detailed to take the company garbage over to the dump. It was dark as we pulled in. I swung the door open to jump down when the corporal grabbed my arm. "Don't get out of the truck, he warned, Climb up over the back and throw the trash from the truck bed." Puzzled, I asked, "Why"? but he had already scrambled up into the back of the truck and was tossing bags over the side.

It wasn't more than a minute before he stopped and said, "You hear that?" I stopped too, listening. It was all around us. Rustling, grunting, squealing......I flipped the red lens off of my flashlight and shined it out into the night. They were out there.....alot of them......an entire herd (or whatever you call them) of wild boar. I counted 14, but it was dark and maybe there were less.....or more. We got back into the truck whe we were finished. The corporal said, "You don't never want to be on the ground here. They will run you down."

Anyways.....congrats on the hunt......I bet he was good on the grill

[Sheriff D]

Peach, much obliged on the pic info. I have been wondering about the official word on hunting pics around here. I know some of us will really appreciate being able to share them.

Jack, thanks a million for that link. I have been completely in the dark over the whole gallery thing since the major upgrade, so maybe now I will be able to post more pics again when I have time. I'll be sure and let ya'll know when I get some hunting pics up there...;)

Medusa, ya'll's city pup don't want a nasty hog hoof?!?! I used to give them to my dogs all the time, but never a fresh one, just the ones from the feed store. You have seen those? The pigs ears and hooves? But I think they are smoked or something.

So, did you two go on an organized hunt, or was it solo? I am curious about organized hunts - sold packages with a guide and all of that - have never done it, as I am fortunate to have access to land here in Vermont and in Texas.

~SD~

[Toughy]

I was listening to NPR yesterday and they had a program on Elk farms that raised elk for food and also offerred hunting on the farm (at 10 grand a pop). The farm of course is fenced and the elk plentiful. No stalking required and the hunt probaly lasts an hour at the most...more like a half hour or even 15 minutes.

Those on the program offerred pros and cons to this kind of canned hunt. The pro side says it puts less stress on wild elk that are not as plentiful since wolves have been re-introduced in the wild.

The con side centers on the concept of 'ethical hunting'. Hunting should be a contest between man and beast with the beast having a chance to get away. The harvesting of the elk is based on the skill of the hunter.

What do y'all think about this issue?

I fall on the side of the ethical hunter concept.

[Bebo]

In My Opinion. A canned hunt is not a hunt at all. It is an organized slaughter for fee. Those with more money than ethics or hunting skill find them necessary. Much easier to pay for a trophy.
And in my opinion it shows no respect for the animal's gift of it's life.

[carmin]

First, be it know that I am not an animial rights or animal activist. But, in my opinion, hunting for sustinance is acceptable, but for sport? I don't know...there seems something vulgar and obsene about it to me. If we lived in a world where our very existance depended on hunting, then I would say yes. But seeing it is not, I think 'sports' should be confined to a ballcourt or football stadium...now, there's a prime example of primal brutality at it's best!

[xjackhammer]

Sheriff D
It was solo... we have alot of places to hunt believe it or not here in Los Angeles: Our area was unfenced, private property.

Now on that note, some novice hunters were in our area with a guide, good for them. I would much rather see novice hunters go out with a guide who can help acclimate them than have people who have never hunted before go out and wing it.

To EACH their OWN.

I went on a hunt with my girl and have not discussed it much in this thread in fear that people would see my gallery pictures and then come to this thread to 'debate'.
I know this is a volataile subject for some people and I respect their right to have a thread discussing how they feel about it.
But.....
This thread got off to a very rocky start because of that very thing and a moderator has already said that this thread is not for discussing the morality of hunting.

I enjoy being able to read stories and share information in this thread. I would like to see it continue in that manner.

[Bebo]

I just spotted a herd of 6 beautiful deer in my northeast field. The winter has not been too difficult for them here (northern Ontario). The wildlife is starting to move. Spring is on the way!! Have seen several over the winter. They seem to like my hay fields. I've only had this place for 3 1/2 years and am constantly amazed at all the beauty. From what I have seen this winter has not been tto harsh for the critters. Wolves, foxes and coyotes all look well too. Lots of feed for all. This will be an awesome year for hunting again. Last year was excellent. Bebo

[Woodie69]

I am not sure of who signed me up for the Eastern Hunting Club - Thank You! I got it in the mail today. I got a ton of stuff (magazine subscription for a year, deer decal, buck knife, lots of brochures on hunting in and around MD, PA, DE, and VA, plus alot of other stuff too).(y)

Please send me a pm whoever did this for me. I am so very grateful for your generousity.

Thanks.

Regards,
Andrew

[Sheriff D]

Well, it's coming up fishing season now, but it's also a good time to get a good price on some used firearms, and my postmistress has a 20 ga Browning shotgun she wants to sell for $325. I figured I would get it for squirrel hunting, but I am not even going to try it out until I get my tax return. I have an unscoped 22 long rifle that I could use for squirrels, once I get a scope, but it is not as safe in populated areas, obviously.

Anyone have a 20 ga? This would be my first shotgun, although I have used my Dad's 20 ga for squirrels.

The winter here came late but was harsh. I am hoping that the deer faired well through it.

Sounds like you got a nice present there, Woodie.

Jack, I went and downloaded that picture software, but I haven't had the patience or inclination to mess with it yet (hate the damned computer, really), although I would really like to post some pics of my Texas hunt eventually. Thanks again for the info.

~SD~

[Sheriff D]

Oh, I should mention for those that fish that the Mepp's company buys squirrel tails, or will trade them for lures, if any of you also squirrel hunt. Apparently, they make the best fly lures.

:)


~SD~

[Bebo]

Well, it's coming up fishing season now, but it's also a good time to get a good price on some used firearms, and my postmistress has a 20 ga Browning shotgun she wants to sell for $325. I figured I would get it for squirrel hunting, but I am not even going to try it out until I get my tax return. I have an unscoped 22 long rifle that I could use for squirrels, once I get a scope, but it is not as safe in populated areas, obviously.

Anyone have a 20 ga? This would be my first shotgun, although I have used my Dad's 20 ga for squirrels.

The winter here came late but was harsh. I am hoping that the deer faired well through it.

Sounds like you got a nice present there, Woodie.

Jack, I went and downloaded that picture software, but I haven't had the patience or inclination to mess with it yet (hate the damned computer, really), although I would really like to post some pics of my Texas hunt eventually. Thanks again for the info.

~SD~

Howdy SD, I don't have a 20ga,, but I like to use a Ruger 22 semi with a scope for squirrels. I've also used the 410 for this purpose. Usually for 'varmints' I will use the 12ga pump or the 22.
The winter here was not too harsh and the deer are already in fine form. They wintered well.
I look forward to those pics I keep reading about!! Bebo

[Sheriff D]

Hi Folks,

Been largely MIA, but I wanted to give a brief hunting/fishing/firearm update.

Still on my quest for a 20 ga. Have looked at a Browning BPS Upland (used) and the Remington 870 Express. Love the Browning but it has some rust spots on the receiver and the new Remington seems more practical. I don't know if anyone has any opinions about a rifled vs a smooth bore on a slug barrel (because I also want to use it for deer).

Went turkey hunting for the first time this spring (with a borrowed 20 ga.). It was at the end of the season and the bugs were awful. I saw nothing but got good practice calling and did hear a tom.

I have been trout fishing. Caught quite a few brookies and some sizeable rainbows. Wrong thread, I know.

My Baby and I went to a camp a couple of weeks ago and did some archery. She's pretty good...;)

Other firearms shot this spring - handguns: .22 target S&W, .38 special Taurus, and a .40 Beretta.

I am having anxiety about moving from Vermont, where there are almost no gun laws, to Mass., where there are too many gun laws. Ack.

And I am in the market for a gun safe, and otherwise really starting to think about deer season...already!!!

Any other hunting stories from the spring?

~SD~

[ArwenN]

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