The L Word [Archive] - Page 2

polysemous1

02-14-2006, 02:25 PM

Yes, but this is the first show by lesbians. So while their primary responsiblity is to entertain, portraying a real portrait of lesbians makes it a better, more entertaining show, especially for lesbians. And when they set up the show with a group of different women, it's as if they're saying - we're portraying what this scene is like. So I'm still curious as to why they don't have a classic butch. I agree, btw, that Shane's way of holding herself in the world is butch.

The show "used" the lesbian community to try to make it a hit by allowing the lesbian community to market the show, have a built in audience and attach a "ooo lesbians" factor to it. Showtime didn't intend for the show to be targeted primarily to the the lesbian community. It was targeted to straight women. Showtime is what pushed for the straight men character and has pushed for more of the "lesbians" to have have realtionships with men on the show.

I want to watch something because it is good. I can barely sit through The L Word. I find that the acting is bad. The storylines are bad. Even many of the sex scenes are bad. If the characters weren't lesbians I would have never watched the show again a couple of years ago.

The_Lady_Snow

02-14-2006, 02:33 PM

Carmen~ WTF was she thinking spraying Shane with that stuff it's kind of bad for one to breathe no?? And why does she get to throw food around and not get yelled at like she yells at Moira..

Shane~ Dude..... Don't cha hate the fact wood flooring creaks

Jenny~ Finally a break

Moira~ Heh you lil piglet... Getting sucked off by the boy..

Helena~ WOW she falls in love fast..

Tina~ OY VEY what is up with the clothing??

Bette~ Please let that bad ass energy come back out hell you are the chick who got arrested for standing up to them crazies at the museum protest..

Manny and Mrs Robinson~ Umm not the sisters bed~~

Alice~ THANK GOD

Dana~ WOW intense is all I can say..

dandylione130

02-14-2006, 03:34 PM

Okay, okay, the storylines/writing, for the most part, leaves a lot to be desired.

However, I remember dreaming, sometime in the 90's, of how wonderful it would be to have a TV series all about dykes. What if the storylines, characters, etc. were all about lesbians? I used to fantasize, never really believing that it would ever be a reality. Then, some years later, The L Word comes along.

Are the lesbians representative of most dyke communities--No
Are the storylines mostly plausible--Hmmm. A lot of times not
Is the show filled with gratuitous titilation (a lot of which is geared to draw straight men)--Yes
Do I still watch the show--religiously. And here's why. This is the first time in television history that our lives are portrayed. We are the main characters! We exist in celluloid.

And while this show has a long way to go, it has a lot of things going for it: Charismatic women who have a lot of chemistry together, storylines that, while they defy logic sometimes, are compelling and draws me back week after week, and very often they hit on something that resonates and resembles my life (minus the glam).

Oh, I almost forgot-- Shane. I'd watch the 700 Club if for a glimpse of Kate moennig:P

Just my opinion(k)

NYC femme BBW

02-14-2006, 06:55 PM

HammiePoo2

02-14-2006, 07:16 PM

I didn't learn about black people from watching Good Times or the Cosby Show.

Clearly, you weren't paying close enough attention.

j/k

I wonder, though, whether and at what point the dominant representation becomes the reality for those who watch and those portrayed.

If that even makes a lick of sense.

NYC femme BBW

02-14-2006, 07:19 PM

I wonder, though, whether and at what point the dominant representation becomes the reality for those who watch and those portrayed.

If that even makes a lick of sense.

Yes, it does make sense. Good point!

wolfsong069

02-14-2006, 08:20 PM

just out of curiosity... who is "people" in your sentence?

"People" are those that believe that all butches want to be a man

Lachesis208

02-14-2006, 08:35 PM

"People" are those that believe that all butches want to be a man

aaah... sadly, then, i agree that these people may never get it.

turino

02-15-2006, 12:04 AM

likeemfemme

02-15-2006, 05:01 AM

The_Lady_Snow

02-15-2006, 05:08 AM

likeemfemme

02-15-2006, 05:13 AM

I believe I kind of touched on Carmens wackiness when I mentioned the unsafe use of the extinguisher.. Yeah she is hot but hell no woman is hot enough for Me to let her endanger My life..

*glances* at Lars........ Coffee is ovah there Larsy~~~~~~~~~~~>(c)

Carmen is hot and can do no wrong, dammit! ;)

I have to admit, I would have dumped her fine her ass way back when she honestly expected me to put on a dress! :| Come to think of it, I'd have never been able to pull off being a straight woman. I'd have more of a chance convincing her mother I was a straight man... Carmen's mother reminded me of an older woman who once freaked seeing me come out of a woman's restroom stall. :o

Thank you for the coffee sweets. (f)

Lars

The_Lady_Snow

02-15-2006, 05:16 AM

Carmen is hot and can do no wrong, dammit! ;)

I have to admit, I would have dumped her fine her ass way back when she honestly expected me to put on a dress! :| Come to think of it, I'd have never been able to pull off being a straight woman. I'd have more of a chance convincing her mother I was a straight man... Carmen's mother reminded me of an older woman who once freaked seeing me come out of a woman's restroom stall. :o

Thank you for the coffee sweets. (f)

Lars

*shakes head* amazing what a pretty face and a sweet ass can do to a butch... Crazy or not they over look it..... I think a dress would be fine on ya Lars.. Nothing wrong with a lil public humilation.. Peach seems to be your shade....

Funny I freaked some guy out coming out of the mens bathroom stall... :s

likeemfemme

02-15-2006, 05:22 AM

*shakes head* amazing what a pretty face and a sweet ass can do to a butch... Crazy or not they over look it..... I think a dress would be fine on ya Lars.. Nothing wrong with a lil public humilation.. Peach seems to be your shade....

Funny I freaked some guy out coming out of the mens bathroom stall... :s

Truth be told, Alice is more my type. Personality is most important to this butch. Really. ;)

I've had plenty of public humiliation in my lifetime. As for me wearing dresses, been there done that... Lotsa stories to share on that subject. All funny, but sad. I still cringe when I remember. :s Peach? Hmmmmm...

Stay out of the men's room! Geesh. :o

Lars

The_Lady_Snow

02-15-2006, 05:33 AM

*shrugs* I had to go plus I have sons once you seen a penis you have seen em all.....

Hey stop derailing the L Word thread Lars!!!!

wolfsong069

02-15-2006, 05:37 AM

For some reason I can't sleep and I ventured in here to realize that noone has brought up the link between violence in relationships and what Carmen did to Shane with the fire extinguisher.

That was violence....whether anyone wants to view it that way...I know that if my lover came at me with a fire extinguisher, I would not just sit there and take it like a bad child with no choices...Regardless, of Shane having a very hot pool session with Rosanna, Carmen had no right to do that.

Actually your more than a little right about this. In college, my then-girlfriend worked at a youth group home. One late evening a boy was acting out, grabbed a fire extinguisher, and sprayed her directly in the face. The doctor checking her out later told us that the only thing that saved her vision was the fact that she wore glasses and her eyes didn't take a direct hit.

Shayne seems to be the type that avoids conflict whenever possible and is not used to argument. It will be interesting to see how she handles it in the future.

It seems rather inconsistent that Carmen, who went off the handle merely seeing Shayne talk to other women, relented so easily after an incident of cheating. I would have expected Shayne's things to be on the sidewalk by time she got home.

You guys don't (meaning all of you posting and reading in this thread) don't seem to have much to say about Dayna's situation. I'm wondering is we all kind of collectively shrink away from something that sorrowful. My girlfriend wanted to talk it over and how it related to us (what we will do to deal with medical issues and family) and I surprised myself by telling her that seeing that freaked me out, and although I wanted to sit down and talk about it, I didn't think we could resolve it in the 30 minutes or so right before going to bed. So we tabled it for a later date.

NYFemmeGirl

02-15-2006, 07:22 AM

BrazenButch

02-15-2006, 07:53 AM

I have to admit, I would have dumped her fine her ass way back when she honestly expected me to put on a dress!

Lars

I couldn't agree more! Then she had the nerve to spray Shane with a fire extinguisher. What irked me even more was that Shane just stood there like a wimp. What do these writers have a thing about strong women? Look at Bette. Now look what they're doing to Shane. Personally at this point in the story, I think Alice should share whatever drugs she's on now, with all of her friends. They all need a little help.

As far as the show goes, I still thing Queer as Folk was much better. It had better writing. The characters were interesting and had depth. (Oh how I'd love to have a sister like Emmett) There were storylines that many could relate to. (Just my .02)

Brazen

likeemfemme

02-15-2006, 07:55 AM

*shrugs* I had to go plus I have sons once you seen a penis you have seen em all.....

Hey stop derailing the L Word thread Lars!!!!

Who me? :o Never.

Lars <---Who's been to the men's room on many ocassions

femmediva

02-15-2006, 09:05 AM

The show "used" the lesbian community to try to make it a hit by allowing the lesbian community to market the show, have a built in audience and attach a "ooo lesbians" factor to it. Showtime didn't intend for the show to be targeted primarily to the the lesbian community. It was targeted to straight women. Showtime is what pushed for the straight men character and has pushed for more of the "lesbians" to have have realtionships with men on the show.

I want to watch something because it is good. I can barely sit through The L Word. I find that the acting is bad. The storylines are bad. Even many of the sex scenes are bad. If the characters weren't lesbians I would have never watched the show again a couple of years ago.

Hi Polysemous,

I'm curious as to where you got the info that Showtime didn't intend the show to be targeted to lesbians (not challenging that, just saying I have never heard it before). I completely agree that it was also targeted to straight men, via some especially explicit advertising campaigns, but that's to be expected. Showtime is a for-profit entertainment company, and of course they're going to market to as many audiences as possible if they want more people to buy subscriptions to their channel. Do I think it's a bit icky that some straight men may watch it to get off? Yes. But it doesn't make me not want to watch the show. I agree with what others have said about having too-high political expectations for a show whose primary purpose is entertainment.

Also, regarding lesbians on the show having relationships with men, that is actually a reality in our community. I think it's actually one of the more realistic things being portrayed on the show. I don't think they manipulated the storyline just to get men to watch the show. When Claire on Six Feet Under explored a relationship with a woman, nobody accused the writers of that show of putting that in just to appeal to a lesbian audience.

Just my .02.

Lachesis208

02-15-2006, 10:15 AM

I dunno.... I seriously doubt that many straight men watch the L Word, much less with the intent of getting off. The sex scenes are far too brief and interspersed with far too much female drama for the average straight man, who's generally not going to sit through all of that crap just to get to fifteen seconds of lesbian makeout. Sure I'm generalizing, but come on... why would a straight guy watch this show when he could see "real" nonstop action on pay per view? just my opinion, YMMV.

The Dana thing is not being handled very well, and they haven't given us very much to comment on besides saying how awful it is and how we worry after our own relationships in a medical emergency. They're covering this issue too shallowly, there's no meat to the story if you get what I'm saying. The stats on breast cancer say that one in 8 women will have it. So chances are, each one of us knows someone who's had it. I guess that's why they chose breast cancer for a storyline. It could be developed much more, re Dana's handling of it as a pro athlete whose career is probably over. The story is on the L Word whirlwind tour though, so... who knows how much or what kind of development we'll see.

Still watching it though... lol

BrazenButch

02-15-2006, 12:30 PM

I am glad to see a show geared towards lesbians dealing with the issue of breast cancer. I do, however, wish they would give their storyline some more verve here. There are so many lesbians who do not go for regular breast exams for whatever reasons. I've already lost two friends, both lesbian, who had they found out earlier may still be alive today. It is a reality that is often not talked about that much, especially in our end of the community. It is an issue that does need to be put out there.

I am also glad to see the very real problem of how Dana's relationship is being dealt with regarding her healthcare and family. It is an issue that hits very close to home for me. Having just gone through a similar situation with a friend of mine who incidently had breast cancer, it was very ugly. Her family forbade her to be there while they were there. Finally, her family allowed her g/f to see her only because my friend kept asking for her. My friend did not fall for her family's BS when they said that "she wasn't there".

Brazen

polysemous1

02-15-2006, 01:02 PM

Hi Polysemous,

I'm curious as to where you got the info that Showtime didn't intend the show to be targeted to lesbians (not challenging that, just saying I have never heard it before). I completely agree that it was also targeted to straight men, via some especially explicit advertising campaigns, but that's to be expected. Showtime is a for-profit entertainment company, and of course they're going to market to as many audiences as possible if they want more people to buy subscriptions to their channel. Do I think it's a bit icky that some straight men may watch it to get off? Yes. But it doesn't make me not want to watch the show. I agree with what others have said about having too-high political expectations for a show whose primary purpose is entertainment.

Also, regarding lesbians on the show having relationships with men, that is actually a reality in our community. I think it's actually one of the more realistic things being portrayed on the show. I don't think they manipulated the storyline just to get men to watch the show. When Claire on Six Feet Under explored a relationship with a woman, nobody accused the writers of that show of putting that in just to appeal to a lesbian audience.

Just my .02.

I can't remember where exactly I read that. It was more than one source including interviews with the producers of the show. It wasn't intended to be a "lesbian" show which is one of the reasons that Jenny was a focal point of the show.

I do remember readin interviews the the producers and some writers of the show that discussed the issues of straight men on the show and some of the women on the show having relationships with men. There apparently was a fight between the "show" and Showtime. The "camera" guy from last season was put there by Showtime, not the writers to appeal to the straight women. That is why he had that miraculous turn-around and foudn the errors of his ways.

Jenny wasn't well liked but she was the focal point of the show which is why she and Shane became best friends. Again that is what the writers of the show stated. They knew Shane was well liked so if Shane liked her then the auidence might like Jenny.

I still think the show is just a badly written and acted show. My issue with anyone on the show sleeping with men, wasn'tthe fact that someone might do that, it was that Showtime wanted that to appeal to part of its audience even when it didn't fit with one of the characters. Does it make sense that Tina or Alice might have date a man? Yes. Would it make sense for Bette to? No.

Showtime advertised the show heavily in the gay community and used our demographics for buzz and to get more subscriptions. They then make a show that isn't written for our community.

Then again I still think it is just a badly done show and if it wasn't about lesbians no one would watch the show to begin with.

femmediva

02-15-2006, 01:16 PM

Then again I still think it is just a badly done show and if it wasn't about lesbians no one would watch the show to begin with.

Well, I have to agree with this to some degree. I guess I like watching the show for the "novelty" of having a show with mostly queer female characters, and for certain specific actresses/characters that I like on it. At the same time, I curse the crappy writing.

Lachesis208

02-15-2006, 02:09 PM

...if it wasn't about lesbians no one would watch the show to begin with.

i totally agree. when all is said and done... the show is crappy. but i still watch it, because i feel compelled to. i want to see what happens, i want it to get better writing and plots, i want to covertly observe the impact of the show's characters and style on the "womyn's" community here in michigan (an impact which alternates between kinda neat and utterly hilarious). there is no other TV show that i would give this much latitude and hope to.

wolfsong069

02-15-2006, 04:11 PM

i totally agree. when all is said and done... the show is crappy. but i still watch it, because i feel compelled to.

Ok, that made me laugh. Mostly because I watch it week after week and when it's over I say, "God that sucked." but there I am the following Sunday like a lemming on free day at the water park.

I DO miss Queer as Folk, particularly Brian, and think the L Word folks should hook up Brain and Emmett as the token gay guys. THAT would spice it up a bit. Emmett could replace Billy as the manager in Kit's Club and Brian could just hang around and be Brian.

Lachesis208

02-15-2006, 08:48 PM

Ok, that made me laugh. Mostly because I watch it week after week and when it's over I say, "God that sucked." but there I am the following Sunday like a lemming on free day at the water park.

EXACTLY!!! i wish there was a lemming icon on here, i would use it right now.

and i think you're on to something with the Emmet and Brian idea. maybe if you email Showtime, they'd do it! if they've got to have at least one guy on the show, they might as well be interesting.

derail: i wish there was a way that the L Word could pick up Garrett the singing turkey cowboy who just got booted from American Idol. that would make my world complete. :|

likeemfemme

02-15-2006, 09:05 PM

derail: i wish there was a way that the L Word could pick up Garrett the singing turkey cowboy who just got booted from American Idol. that would make my world complete. :|

LMFAO That was a great derailment! (y)

wolfsong069

02-15-2006, 09:27 PM

EXACTLY!!! i wish there was a lemming icon on here, i would use it right now.

and i think you're on to something with the Emmet and Brian idea. maybe if you email Showtime, they'd do it! if they've got to have at least one guy on the show, they might as well be interesting.

derail: i wish there was a way that the L Word could pick up Garrett the singing turkey cowboy who just got booted from American Idol. that would make my world complete. :|

Seriously....wouldn't it be great? Emmett & Brian would be an excellent addition.

Lachesis208

02-15-2006, 11:25 PM

LMFAO That was a great derailment! (y)

Lars, where is the timeout area for thread derailers? I guess I need to be there... (h)

sexymuthas_babygirl

02-15-2006, 11:40 PM

Emmett could replace Billy as the manager in Kit's Club and Brian could just hang around and be Brian.

OMG, that is so perfect! My heart skipped a beat at the thought of Emmett replacing Billy as the manager... and Brian would totally tell it like it is if he was the friend of these wacko women. I can see Brian and Shane being regular best buddies.

I totally (l) (l) (l) QAF and miss it terribly (even though it annoyed me at times too)... it was so much better, funnier, and more interesting and any QAF characters would only spice things up over on the L word if you ask me.

I must say that another thing I loved about QAF was the working class element. Sure, you had Brian who was the well-heeled ad exec, but you also had Michael (when he worked at Big Q or whatever) and his Mom (waitress) Emmett working as a shop girl, not everyone was freakin' loaded AND gorgeous AND brilliant. Some characters were a bit goofy or struggling or kinda dumb at times yet they were all close and still had interesting lives.

The L word's characters bug me in that sense.... everyone seems just a bit too glamorous/too cool/too rich. If they're not rich they have a very "cool", trendy sort of job. A mix is more fun, IMO... but yeah, I know, it's LA and all that.

Anyway, now I'm all nostalgic for QAF. **sigh*** Much better quality overall.

Anyone else notice that the baby (T&B's) has been largely absent lately, and even though they don't own a crib and the baby sleeps with them, it's never there in the bed??

What ever happened w/the adoption thing? I hate to say it but I bet tina would be exactly the kind of bitch to leave and keep Bette away from the baby to be hateful. I hate the thought, but I've seen much "better" women and men do just that. I wouldn't be surprised. People are soooo screwed up and stupid when it comes to that sort of thing.

Sheri

turino

02-15-2006, 11:51 PM

Brian could help Max feel his manhood..and visa versa...

This is now a hot show...

Jenuflect..let's write it.

wolfsong069

02-16-2006, 05:41 AM

OMG, that is so perfect! My heart skipped a beat at the thought of Emmett replacing Billy as the manager... and Brian would totally tell it like it is if he was the friend of these wacko women. I can see Brian and Shane being regular best buddies.

I totally (l) (l) (l) QAF and miss it terribly (even though it annoyed me at times too)... it was so much better, funnier, and more interesting and any QAF characters would only spice things up over on the L word if you ask me.

I must say that another thing I loved about QAF was the working class element. Sure, you had Brian who was the well-heeled ad exec, but you also had Michael (when he worked at Big Q or whatever) and his Mom (waitress) Emmett working as a shop girl, not everyone was freakin' loaded AND gorgeous AND brilliant. Some characters were a bit goofy or struggling or kinda dumb at times yet they were all close and still had interesting lives.

The L word's characters bug me in that sense.... everyone seems just a bit too glamorous/too cool/too rich. If they're not rich they have a very "cool", trendy sort of job. A mix is more fun, IMO... but yeah, I know, it's LA and all that.

Anyway, now I'm all nostalgic for QAF. **sigh*** Much better quality overall.

Sheri

I almost feel like a traitor liking QAF better. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking, "I'm not watching this shit....nothing like 2 guys fucking to ruin my night."...but your right......it was somehow more real. The issues were more real.....how they lived their lives was more real.

Look for example, at how the children were delt with. If you remember, Brian's son was born on the very first episode of the series. It was interesting how on some issues you thought he was going to be an asshole about, and wasn't, and visa versa. It was obvious by the way the show was written that the poor relationship between Brian and his own father drove some of the decisions he made, and up to the very last episode of the series, Brian struggled with wanting those decisions to be the best ones. His character had a lot of depth. You liked him.....and you thought he was the biggest asshole ever. All of those characters had depth to them.

I guess we don't have any choice but to do what Turino suggested....write our own show......

BCtboi

02-16-2006, 06:01 AM

For any of you who are Shane fans, my girlfriend has a fansite for the girl that plays her.

http://kate-moennig.net

likeemfemme

02-16-2006, 10:50 AM

Brian could help Max feel his manhood..and visa versa...

This is now a hot show...

Jenuflect..let's write it.

Ya know, next w/e I could be Max and you could be Brian. No?

turino

02-16-2006, 10:51 AM

I will be Brian...k? We have the same mind and I live in a loft!

Ally_J2005

02-16-2006, 10:54 AM

To: Likesemfemme & Turino.....I'd buy a copy of that..lol

You have to admit Jenny handled that very well.... I was cracking

up. *Ally_J*

likeemfemme

02-16-2006, 10:56 AM

I will be Brian...k? We have the same mind and I live in a loft!

Max is thoughtless & homeless, so am I. This will work. (y)

Really Ally?? You promise??

Ally_J2005

02-16-2006, 10:58 AM

Max is thoughtless & homeless, so am I. This will work. (y)

Really Ally?? You promise??

Girl scouts honor..lol ;) *Ally_J*

wolfsong069

02-16-2006, 11:32 AM

I will be Brian...k? We have the same mind and I live in a loft!

You know recently I moved a phone system for a business that was in a loft in the city. It was nice looking thats for sure. The 312 is waaaaay out of my price range though, maybe someday when I win the powerball I'll move.

We may have to flip for being Brian, I just maay be the bigger asshole of the two of us. I CAN'T be Michael....I'd have to kill him off before the end of the first episode whiney little toad that he was...... and Emmett.....although I'd love to hang out with the guy is a little too.....ok what's the word I'm looking for here? A little too something for me....maybe 2 Brian like characters...yeah...that would work.

Back to the L Word....Max needs some buddies

UltraHiFemme

02-16-2006, 11:32 AM

Hmmm, boi on boi action. :|

Anyway, I do believe Tina would be a cold bitch and keep angelica away from Bette. Now that is realistic!

And yes, i hardly see the baby anymore.

Kat

Perabo

02-16-2006, 06:27 PM

Well, I have been sitting here reading the last 20 pages of this thread, taking in all of your opinions, my eyes are on fire, but I do have a couple of comments.

I like that they brought Moira from the midwest and have him/her trying to adjust to his/her new surroundings. As for his/her transitioning, perhaps when h/s lived in the midwest transitioning wasn't a possiblity. Now with this new crowd, "Max" will really start to be himself. I recently came out to my friends about wanting to transition and then Moira appears on the L Word right after....believe it or not, my friends that had turned away from me actually realize that this is something that can happen in real life. There is a gray area where someone like Max (and me) wants to fit in with the lesbians, but just can't.

I would hope that the young butches in rural america do a bit more research about lesbians prior to doing anything drastic in the transitioning department....let's give them some credit here, we all learned over time who we were and what we wanted, and I know for a fact, I didn't learn it from TV. It's been in me from an early age, and now I know that I am not the only one that ever felt that way. I can't wait to see where they take Max's character.

Perabo

NYFemmeGirl

02-17-2006, 07:06 AM

Anyway, I do believe Tina would be a cold bitch and keep angelica away from Bette. Now that is realistic!

And yes, i hardly see the baby anymore.

yes, the baby in used as a prop when convenient.

I think the show is setting the stage for Tina keeping Angelica away form Bette by not resolving the adoption issue.

Like somebody said earlier, it's also setting the stage for A Million Little Pieces blow up with Jenny. I heard a publisher on the radio insinuate that James Frye blamed his publisher for pushing him into making it a memoir - just as Jenny's publisher has started to do.

I think that Shane did violence to Carmen by cheating on her and throwing pizza is mild in comparison. The fire extinguisher is over the top but only because it can permanently hurt the eyes. Otherwise the metaphor is apt.

Brian as Shane's telling-it-like-it-is best friend is brilliant. I wonder how the big fish in the little pond (Pittsburgh) would fare in L.A.? I also miss the working class characters. Although at least the L Word has a couple of characters with different ethnicities.

NYFemmeGirl

02-17-2006, 07:09 AM

femmetwists

02-18-2006, 04:50 PM

the baby issue is a perfect example of why this show gets on my nerves...tho i am a loyal viewer.

why make such a big deal about practicing attachment parenting as though the baby must *always* be attached to someone...but now we never see her anymore, and she seems to be spending more time with the nanny and kit than with her mothers.

and the adoption...are we ever going to find out what happened? is bette ever going to confront her ignorant nephew about what he said in front of the social worker?

is bette taking the job in new york?????

why, 6 months into their relationship, are shane and carmen *just now* discussing monogamy???? if shane wasn't mono she wouldn't have been so upset by carmen's flirting. maybe she would have walked over and stuck her tongue down carmen's throat with a captive audience? ionknow. carmen knew shane was a ho last season...

is max bi? is that going to be dealt with? (btw, i think billy has been hittin on max from day one...and is jealous that jenny is with him instead. could that be why billy was so pissy with jenny at the beginning of this ep? she didn't seem to be doing anything wrong to me before the publisher showed up)

*and* i'm glad about the hospital scene when the doctors couldn't talk to lara. i totally understand the new hipa laws...but they suck for "non-traditional" families. what bothered me wasn't the doctor..he was doing his job...the parents pissed me off. "you can go home now, we'll take over from here" what? why was lara being such a punk?

ok...i promise this is it...but how is it that a good f*ck rid alice of her...whatever her illness was??? no more meds? no more psychosis? quick, someone run and tell the psychiatric association!

are women *really* writing this stuff?

theeladyscorpian

02-19-2006, 12:22 AM

loll i love you girl....and yesssssssss womyn are writing this i do hope you put in to the write a script contest....oh and i am so addicted with hope....i always have hope....
the baby issue is a perfect example of why this show gets on my nerves...tho i am a loyal viewer.

why make such a big deal about practicing attachment parenting as though the baby must *always* be attached to someone...but now we never see her anymore, and she seems to be spending more time with the nanny and kit than with her mothers.

and the adoption...are we ever going to find out what happened? is bette ever going to confront her ignorant nephew about what he said in front of the social worker?

is bette taking the job in new york?????

why, 6 months into their relationship, are shane and carmen *just now* discussing monogamy???? if shane wasn't mono she wouldn't have been so upset by carmen's flirting. maybe she would have walked over and stuck her tongue down carmen's throat with a captive audience? ionknow. carmen knew shane was a ho last season...

is max bi? is that going to be dealt with? (btw, i think billy has been hittin on max from day one...and is jealous that jenny is with him instead. could that be why billy was so pissy with jenny at the beginning of this ep? she didn't seem to be doing anything wrong to me before the publisher showed up)

*and* i'm glad about the hospital scene when the doctors couldn't talk to lara. i totally understand the new hipa laws...but they suck for "non-traditional" families. what bothered me wasn't the doctor..he was doing his job...the parents pissed me off. "you can go home now, we'll take over from here" what? why was lara being such a punk?

ok...i promise this is it...but how is it that a good f*ck rid alice of her...whatever her illness was??? no more meds? no more psychosis? quick, someone run and tell the psychiatric association!

are women *really* writing this stuff?

femmetwists

02-19-2006, 06:30 AM

*giggle* i always have hope, too, Tee. sunday nights are so funny around here...the studsband starts to get the shakes around 9:30 when i politely remind her that she'll have to relinquish the remote. read the 'info' for tonight's episode..."jenny injects max with hormones"

ugh...i wish i weren't so weak! why was qaf cancelled, anyway?

theeladyscorpian

02-19-2006, 01:39 PM

for a long while I didn't have showtyme so my partner would fill me in....never got to see the 1st nor 2nd seasons so I'm learning as we go.....and they are doing re-runs of QAF on showtyme through out the week....I've been watching it and i like it the charactors and the writing....again a huge lack of the LBGT community as a whole but still an impressive cast and script...why am i addicted to L-word wellllllll it's still "Us"....even in it's lacking....

DrBombay

02-19-2006, 04:02 PM

[QUOTE=femmetwists]ok...i promise this is it...but how is it that a good f*ck rid alice of her...whatever her illness was??? no more meds? no more psychosis? quick, someone run and tell the psychiatric association!QUOTE]

A much overlooked, yet important point--she got the crazy fucked out of her--we could all use that once in a while.

Aqueerius

02-19-2006, 05:36 PM

[quote=femmetwists]ok...i promise this is it...but how is it that a good f*ck rid alice of her...whatever her illness was??? no more meds? no more psychosis? quick, someone run and tell the psychiatric association!QUOTE]

A much overlooked, yet important point--she got the crazy fucked out of her--we could all use that once in a while.
I sooo agree with you Doc on this one. Mental illness does not go away no matter how good of a f*ck anyone gets...
I hope they get rid of their writers and find some writers who care more about continuity and content than what will titillate and unfortunately not make sense!

So we went through a whole season last year where the characters were had one characteristic and now this year they've all done a 360 with maybe the exception of Kit. I'm all for characters who have many dimensions because that's human behavior, but they never tie up loose ends.

When did Helena turn from bitch to woos and become Alice's care taker? Why is Tina now beginning to question her sexuality? Why did they turn Shane, who I might add is one of the few characters on the show who I have any respect for, into a pussy whipped dress wearing high heeled freak just for Carmen? It was very sweet why she did it but the hair do was too much for me.

And poor, poor Alice....they never explain what the diagnosis is as to why she went over the deep end, has been on several meds, and in one fell swoop by a lesbian vampire is now Laura's advocate and has to explain to Dana's parents why Dana would feel better having her partner there while being told she has metatastic breast cancer?

The actresses on this show should wake up and complain when the story lines seem to never connect to some degree...

I watch the L-word because it is one of very few that shows which portray lesbian lifestyles, unfortunately none that I identify with but albeit lesbian relationships, friendships, drama, etc.

Lachesis208

02-19-2006, 09:50 PM

ok let me be the first to say... good lord.

my main question after watching this episode has more to do with timing and continuity than anything else. how much time is supposed to have elapsed since last week's episode? on the one hand, we see the cutout that Alice threw away last week just now being picked up by the garbage truck. on the other hand, Max has already had time to contact Tom, get the hormones from wherever, and take two doses, albeit early on the second dose. then there is the matter of Dana just having the surgery and already being out of hospital and walking around even though it was major chest surgery, and in her first chemo. i'm so confused about time.

on the wtf front-- last week Shane can't commit to not accidentally shagging random people, and this week they're getting matching tattoos? huh.

shadowboi

02-19-2006, 10:13 PM

I haven't seen this episode yet. I'll have to comment tomorrow!

Long live Charter on Demand!!

theeladyscorpian

02-19-2006, 10:13 PM

blink...what more can i do or say..i am so confused!

femmetwists

02-19-2006, 10:22 PM

um...can somebody please tell the writers that this is a dyke show. why is everyone boinking men?

and...why did sharmane confront max like that about the needle?

i'm disliking carmen more and more. and yes, i'm convinced that the tats mean they're breaking up soon...next episode, hopefully?

oh...on the issue of why "the only butch on the show is transitioning" and the message to youngsters that sends...there aren't any butches on the show. there's an ftm, and there's shane. yes, max did say, "let us butches do it..." so of course we could argue that max is a butch...but we have to remember that the writers are totally ignorant.

hmmm...if i won the screenwriting contest i'd pull a roseanne and everything would be a dream. rewind to ep 1 and start ALL over.

Lachesis208

02-19-2006, 10:55 PM

hmmm...if i won the screenwriting contest i'd pull a roseanne and everything would be a dream. rewind to ep 1 and start ALL over.

this may actually be the only thing that can save the show.

prelude to the dream: somebody shoots Shane in the season ending cliffhanger episode, and we all spend the off season asking each other Who Shot Shane?? because there are sooo many possible shooters.

Then... in the opening scene of the first episode of the next season, somebody is shown waking up and saying... I just had the strangest dream...

(i know, it's been done, but i'm banking on the fact that most of the viewer's won't be old enough to remember Dallas. and how great would it be to bring Valerie Bertinelli on the show? lol)

I can't even comment on all the icky sex that happened in this episode. Not icky because it involved men... but just plain icky in general. I'm pretending it didn't happen, since that's what the writers seem to be doing with all the other plots they started and never finished! :s

mrMsf2005

02-20-2006, 04:34 PM

i have to say, i'm glad billie got off and now hes gone, he was like
a predator circling his prey, and they should have at least had max
make some effort to get a scrip for male hormones, not all FTMs go
to backalley doped up dealers for their transitioning desicions. really.
no effort no resources no help for anyone out there with fear and
curiosity to guide them, not even a real conversation between max and
tom.... carmen sux, is what i feel, shane too, ive NEVER liked the shane
character, every hipscenesterkid w/a badhaircut and hangups and drama
by the minute who thinks their a stud ~ relates to shane, thinks they are
represented in her , uh uh((she aint manothehouse'no more))
.tina and her best line ever, "you couldnt just shut up and fuck me" ((((!LMAO!))))
if the writers cared about continuity they would have given carman a younger
mother and not so typical and traditional ~ remember jenny telling burr connor
"my gf carman's step dad used to take her to see all your movies" which led me to believe her mother was young/er and had a more progressive
relationship w/carmen other than feeding everyone, in an apron, no stepdad ~ that was messed up, they did that, how old is carmen supposed to be? 45? her mom looked 60. crazy. LMAO and til next week~whew!:Pi could go on.....

kristin1970

02-20-2006, 04:55 PM

For any of you who are Shane fans, my girlfriend has a fansite for the girl that plays her.

http://kate-moennig.net
Shane is soooo fucking hot!!

kristin1970

02-20-2006, 04:57 PM

Shane is soooo fucking hot!! I'm so hooked on the 'L word... It is strange that they have not shown the baby!
I have a 2 year old daughter that sleeps with me nightly... you would notice a baby!

babyboytoy

02-20-2006, 05:06 PM

What me and my girl cant get is why last season the characters are so much different then they are now..what the heck happened..

Its good they are hitting on FTM's and what they go through but why could it not be the right way..

Tina makes me sick and why Bet is dealing with her i dont know..

I like the show but some of the things going on i just shake my head..

BlueMoonWolf

02-20-2006, 10:45 PM

i have figured out how to "fix" the writers.... lock them in a room and force them to listen to indigo girls and melissia ethridge and the rest for days.... yep that will fix em

OBB Orginal BadBoi

02-21-2006, 07:18 AM

They are going to have to start changing the name of the show from Lword to P(oly)word cuz there is too much sex w/ men & whatever else on that show to live up to it's name.

That is cool if that's what they are aiming for, but it's not very lesbian focused to put twice as much hetero sex in a show about lesbians.

I think on QAF there was one maybe 2 times heterosex was ever inculded, but then again most the main characters were gay men who didn't change personalities every other week.

& I know Max is susposed to be this FTM bonking the gayguy to assert his manhood (which is queer on queer), but even next to Billy who is not the most masculine fag in the world Max just looked even more girlie to me & the whole thing seems soo str8.

I also have noclue what muscles the others are talking about, but Max isn't the only thing weak about the show in my book ( @least this week ).

The only characters I really enjoy in the show would be Alison, Shane, & Carmen. Alison for the comic relief . Shane & Carmen as the hot L factor. Tina and the rest can continue sucking d and go to a more fitting show for them like Sex on the City for all I care.

ShaneShugga

02-21-2006, 08:25 AM

I quit watching that shyt weeks ago. Good riddance, is what I say. I'm not gonna PRETEND that I like that f*cked up show.

The producers need their azzes whupped.

Peace!

femmetwists

02-21-2006, 01:34 PM

along with lachesis' post about time and consistency...

ugh...i hate the way this show consumes me!!!

anyway...how is that shane is a "gold star" when she used to be a prostitute for *men*?????

Whispertome

02-21-2006, 01:35 PM

So, um... did anyone ever find out why Alice and Dana broke up anyways?

I always knew that Dana would get ride of Lara, Lara was too "Oh honey it'll be ok.." and she needed Alice to be all toppy like "Stop whining and get off your ass and live!".

I just find myself sickened by the fact that they always gotta drag a damn man into everything that has to do with lesbians/ftms. How many butches/ftms here would just up and fuq a guy in the butt? Let alone a druggie wierdo? Especially when you have a hot gf thats about to be rich? WTF!

Oh and how does Tina, out of the blue one day, decide she wants to fuck a man?

I guess they figure if women aren't fucking men then men won't watch the show. Who cares? It's not for men!

Now if Kit wants to do a man thats her business cuz well she is str8 for the most part, but the lesbian/ftm chars? Gimme a fuqqin break!

I love Alice...love love love her....knew she would break out of her psycho kick. I'm sure everyone has felt that way if even for a moment after being left anyway.

I dunno about the life sized cut out though, I prolly woulda made it into a dart board at the radio station. LOL

Bette and Tina will end up breaking it off and sharing custody eventually. Perhaps they will intro a new char for Bette to hook up with or maybe she'll get with someone we already know. Regardless, she's still a hoe bag for ruining it all. I guess it just gave Tina an excuse to be a hoe bag too though.

Motley was way horny for Max before she hears his girly voice, then she was like ewww. But now that she knows Max is a butch/ftm I think she might be horny for him again, especially if his voice deepens!

It's cool to know Max is a butch in rl though!! Finally a famous butch! Now, since we got a skinny famous butch, can I be the fat famous butch? I wouldn't mind snuggling with Alice for a season or two (on tv - relax honey if you read this). LMAO

LOL..I will vote to have you in to get close to Alice, rofl. They are pushing the FtM a bit fast, but I guess it is because the season is short? I think Billy saw a mixed up, vunerable young butch and took advantage..happy the slime is gone.

Tina was "str8" before she met Bette. I know a few butches who got involved with str8 women only to have them change their mind and decide they are not gay/queer/lesbian any longer. I guess it is the mindset when things get difficult go back to where they can control the situation more????

I like that Alice has her spice back..she is so funny

msdemeanor

02-21-2006, 01:49 PM

anyway...how is that shane is a "gold star" when she used to be a prostitute for *men*?????
Shane used to pass as a gay boy prostitute for men. She gave blow jobs; she didn't get f**ked.

pepper28

02-21-2006, 03:26 PM

Maybe the meds didn' work for Alice because she didn't really have a mental illness -- maybe she was just suffering from a severe bout of depression?? Depression isn't always chronic??

Pepper :)

[quote=DrBombay]
I sooo agree with you Doc on this one. Mental illness does not go away no matter how good of a f*ck anyone gets...
I hope they get rid of their writers and find some writers who care more about continuity and content than what will titillate and unfortunately not make sense!

So we went through a whole season last year where the characters were had one characteristic and now this year they've all done a 360 with maybe the exception of Kit. I'm all for characters who have many dimensions because that's human behavior, but they never tie up loose ends.

When did Helena turn from bitch to woos and become Alice's care taker? Why is Tina now beginning to question her sexuality? Why did they turn Shane, who I might add is one of the few characters on the show who I have any respect for, into a pussy whipped dress wearing high heeled freak just for Carmen? It was very sweet why she did it but the hair do was too much for me.

And poor, poor Alice....they never explain what the diagnosis is as to why she went over the deep end, has been on several meds, and in one fell swoop by a lesbian vampire is now Laura's advocate and has to explain to Dana's parents why Dana would feel better having her partner there while being told she has metatastic breast cancer?

The actresses on this show should wake up and complain when the story lines seem to never connect to some degree...

I watch the L-word because it is one of very few that shows which portray lesbian lifestyles, unfortunately none that I identify with but albeit lesbian relationships, friendships, drama, etc.

shadowboi

02-21-2006, 04:33 PM

I haven't seen this episode yet, but in the previous episode Bette told someone (I can't remember who) that Tina had never been with a woman except her. There are many lesbians who do the "Just to make sure I'm really gay" thing.

I'll have to watch this week to give my perspective on the FtM thing.

sexymuthas_babygirl

02-21-2006, 05:37 PM

I still wish they'd put Brian on the show. I bet he'd give Billy some hell too. I consider myself to be 99% same-sex attracted (a realization made over 30-something years), but something about Brian.. I dunno... he just great and probably one of the rare few bio men I'd have sex with, or at least flirt heavily with anyway. Brian and Fox Mulder. I just seem to like 'em brooding and sarcastic, male or female or otherwise. ;)

Billy gives me the creeps. He doesn't seem to have pure motives. I am fine with Moira transitioning... BUT I think it's highly unrealistic that it would happen that fast. When Billy first brought it up (or was it someone else, at that party??)... Moira/Max was all "Yeah, sure, I've thought about it"... and it seems to me that you don't go from "I've thought about it" to "I'm going for it" in a couple of weeks!
Am I right? I mean, if Moira had said something like "I have always felt like this body didn't fit but I never dreamed it was something I could do until I came here"... or something like that, from the BEGINNING, then yeah, I'd buy it... but I don't buy it the way they wrote it. Too quick. Too soon.

I (l) the return of the spunky Alice.

I continue to be highly annoyed with the absence of the baby.

Carmen is cranky and I agree that it's stupid to have them fighting one day and getting matching tattoos the next, especially when the fight was a pretty big issue. If there was an expectation of monogamy and Shane indeed "cheated" because they'd agreed to be monogamous, I would think they'd take longer to work through that... if they worked through it at all. They were over it just like they'd fought about someone forgetting a birthday or something. Puhleeze. I've been with someone who cheated and it was the only time I chose to give a cheater a second chance, but it took MONTHS of repair and trust building.

Any speculations as to what was up with Shane in the bedroom with Carmen when she got kinda freaked out? I'm really curious about that.

I must say I got a big chuckle out of the tattoos and the tattoo artist's comment, because I have a tattoo on the back of my neck that is a "matching tattoo".... the bearer of the other one is a woman who now insists our 1 year "thing" was "just a close friendship". :P

I was going to post more but my kids are now bugging me and I can't concentrate. So, laters fellow L word watchers!

Sheri

shadowboi

02-22-2006, 04:44 AM

Ok,

I don't think Tina is confused. Just because she wanted to have sex with a guy is not a huge deal. She didn't want a relationship, she just wanted a f*** and then a good bye it seems to me. If she is bi, then fine. I don't think someone should have to choose whether they are attracted to men or women. Be with who you want to be with.

Max screwing Billy wasn't a surprise I don't think. It's symbolic as power over male, plus Billy appears to be the only one that is approving or accepting of Max's transition. Jen is getting there, but I'm not sure she's there yet.

Dana, as a fellow cancer survivor, just because you feel sick or you are scared does not give you the right to step on everyone around you. Get over yourself.

Ok, that's about it from what I saw!

Looking forward to next week!

femmetwists

02-22-2006, 06:36 AM

Shane used to pass as a gay boy prostitute for men. She gave blow jobs; she didn't get f**ked.

i know, but wouldn't that still disqualify her? sexual contact...*shrugs*

femmetwists

02-22-2006, 06:45 AM

Any speculations as to what was up with Shane in the bedroom with Carmen when she got kinda freaked out? I'm really curious about that. Sheri

yeah...i think she caught a glimpse of carmen's tat and reality set in..."what the F did i just do???" shane is really getting tired of carmen, and they're becoming almost as annoying to watch as bette and tina. she could still be thinking about the hot pool scene...hell, i am!

Easygoin84

02-22-2006, 07:26 AM

NYCFemme

02-22-2006, 07:08 PM

hmmm...if i won the screenwriting contest i'd pull a roseanne and everything would be a dream. rewind to ep 1 and start ALL over.
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Trinity3

02-22-2006, 08:36 PM

I don't know...is it just me....but did anyone else see...the scene where Dane went into the meditative state and she was sitting on the lawn....
Did anyone see.......the HUGE PENIS SHAPED bush that was to the right of the scene???? It even had like two bushes below that looked like balls!

So was this just me?!!

Lachesis208

02-22-2006, 09:04 PM

Did anyone see.......the HUGE PENIS SHAPED bush that was to the right of the scene???? It even had like two bushes below that looked like balls!

So was this just me?!!

nope. we both saw it, and commented on it. wtf ?!? lol

i kept expecting Alice to be there next to Dana in her happy place. especially when she turned her head, i thought for sure they'd cut to Alice on the lawn there too...

babyboytoy

02-22-2006, 09:11 PM

I can't get over what their doing to Dana this season, and Alice is a mess, and I'm really upset because they took a perfectly good butch - femme couple and made it out into a FTM issue and I was so happy they brought a butch form the middle of no where, like me. <sigh>

Live and let live
Amanda B-F

I agree with you Amanda..but you also have to look at the gay scene and how FTM's are generally overlooked by lesbians..I think it is fabulous they have an FTM on the show..

Trinity3

02-22-2006, 09:13 PM

nope. we both saw it, and commented on it. wtf ?!? lol

i kept expecting Alice to be there next to Dana in her happy place. especially when she turned her head, i thought for sure they'd cut to Alice on the lawn there too...

Aye, I expected to see Alice there as well! I love the way Alice has been handling this whole thing and how she has now fended for Lara and also is NOT taking Dana's SH*T!

shadowboi

02-22-2006, 09:49 PM

It's nice to see an FtM transition without the circus event and Jerry Springer!

shadowboi

02-22-2006, 09:50 PM

Did anyone see.......the HUGE PENIS SHAPED bush that was to the right of the scene???? It even had like two bushes below that looked like balls!

So was this just me?!!

I saw it too! It was very ironic :s

DrBombay

02-23-2006, 11:07 PM

I only saw a few moments of last weeks show--

did vampire girl dump Alice? I better see someone in cuffs, hanging from a beam in vampire girls house before this season ends--i don't care which character it is (well, anyone but Dana).

I'm not sure there is enough testosterone on the planet that will aid in lowering the munchkin voice of Max--hand that butch a smoke and a shot of jack daniels

i'm admitting to a renewed crush on jenny-

femmetwists

02-24-2006, 07:10 AM

shadowboi

02-26-2006, 09:37 PM

Ok here is what I think...

Tina is a bitch

Bette is a self centered bitch. If you and your partner are having issues, going to meditate about it isn't going to help. Mediatate on why you think you need to meditate so much!

Carmen is a crazy bitch. Hot, but crazy none the less.

Dana is getting better about not being such a bitch, but still wants to wallow in self pity.

Alice is getting less crazy I think because she has a purpose other than stalking.

Shane is just....shane.

Max is cool. I think he's more centered in this episode than any of them are. I did tense up when he went in the men's restroom, but all was well :) I'm glad of it too.

sexymuthas_babygirl

02-27-2006, 12:12 AM

wolfsong069

02-27-2006, 07:16 AM

I got mad when Tina rushed to nurse the baby and take her from Bette, because it seemed clearly punitive in Bette's direction and there is nothing lower (to me) than using a kid in an argument or to hurt another adult. Disgusting behavior, really.

That was a passive-aggressive manuever to remind Bette that she is NOT the baby's mother. Meaness just for the sake of being mean, and that I hate more than anything.

Bette does not have much of a leg to stand on. Her monogamy record isn't spotless that's for sure. The holier-than-thou attitude and hostility towards Tina makes her a complete hypocrite.

I dunno what I would do if my partner came to me and said she was suddenly having feelings and desires about wanting a man. I think after the initial shock I'd want to talk about it and find out what specifically it was that she was wanting, and whether or not it was something that could be resolved by changing something in our relationship.

I think that Bette & Tina have been done for awhile and should just end it before that baby gets old enough to know what's going on and have tangible feelings about it. I'm not saying that babies don't have feelings, but she is young enough not to think, "Was it something I did?" Etc etc..

Would Max have facial hair already? I was surprised by that, but I'm ignorant of the whole thing really.

Max really chose the wrong color skin tone for the pissin' packer though. Yikes. Looked like the "Corpse" selection. Or just me and my TV? .

Sheri[/quote]

Well, they were talking about Max's muscles last week after mentioning hy had merely 2 injections. I dunno about this Max thing. Not being an FTM myself I should probably let one of the guys answer this. The thing is that they are all over the place with Max. Last week he was taking T that he bought off the street and fucking a gay man, this week he has a mustache & goatee and meeting with a surgeon and discussing top surgery. Where did he get the money? What responsible Doc would even talk to a person obatining their drugs through illegal means? The time line seems unrealistic........really unrealistic

Medusa

02-27-2006, 07:28 AM

OOOOHH!!! It looks like Helena is going to get sued for Sexual Harrassment by that woman she has been screwing!!!

(l)

sexymuthas_babygirl

02-27-2006, 10:13 AM

[QUOTE=wolfsong069]

That was a passive-aggressive manuever to remind Bette that she is NOT the baby's mother. Meaness just for the sake of being mean, and that I hate more than anything.

Yep! Believe me, my ex (husband) was an ASS, but I never would have pulled that crap with the baby, when he was a baby.

Bette does not have much of a leg to stand on. Her monogamy record isn't spotless that's for sure. The holier-than-thou attitude and hostility towards Tina makes her a complete hypocrite.

That's bugged me for this whole season! It doesn't make Tina right in her behavior, but Bette is no saint and she needs to quit acting like she is! I'm wondering if they never worked through that the way they should, so Tina holds this deep resentment and maybe, on some subconcious level, she's "getting back" at her. I know that they got back together right when the baby was born and then they were all wrapped up in the new baby. It's hard to work on the relationship and repair the damage done by Bette's cheating when there is a new baby in the picture. So I'm guessing they just tried to "forget" it and move on and it's biting them both in the ass now.

My ex cheated, and it was never really addressed like it should have been, and I'll admit that even years after, I'd fantasize about cheating just to show him how it felt. I never acted on it, but I understand the desire, if that's the case somehow with Tina.. she may not even realize that it's the case.

I dunno what I would do if my partner came to me and said she was suddenly having feelings and desires about wanting a man. I think after the initial shock I'd want to talk about it and find out what specifically it was that she was wanting, and whether or not it was something that could be resolved by changing something in our relationship.

My girlfriend did NOT agree with me (and would never tolerate it), but at this point I wonder if Tina having sex with a man might not just answer the question once and for all? I know it's stupid but perhaps she just needs to get it out of her system... assuming her feelings are strictly sexual ones. Don't know if Bette would go for that little experiment... maybe Tina just needs someone really really butch and is confused and mistaking that for wanting a bio male. Hell, I was confused like that for almost 30 years! LOL!

I think that Bette & Tina have been done for awhile and should just end it before that baby gets old enough to know what's going on and have tangible feelings about it. I'm not saying that babies don't have feelings, but she is young enough not to think, "Was it something I did?" Etc etc..

Absolutely! Having BTDT, it's always worse if you wait until they are older. Almost always. I knew when my eldest was 3 that I needed to get out of that marriage, but I waited, and waited, and had another baby, hoping against hope we could work it out, and of course we couldn't, but when we split they were 10 and 5 years old and it was MUCH harder. Stooopid.

Sheri

Her Butch

02-27-2006, 10:25 AM

LOVE THE L WORD !! Hot sex scene this week !! Helena very HOT !!

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 10:27 AM

KerriShynes

02-27-2006, 11:17 AM

Would Max have facial hair already? I was surprised by that, but I'm ignorant of the whole thing really.

Max really chose the wrong color skin tone for the pissin' packer though. Yikes. Looked like the "Corpse" selection. Or just me and my TV?

Sheri

But given the way they have jumped around the timeline so much this season, I thought maybe more than a week was supposed to have passed and we just didn't know it. And that pissin' packer was just plain scary looking!

DrBombay

02-27-2006, 11:27 AM

At least once, every episode, I say "WTF is she WEARING!?" to at least one character... and sometimes I say it two or three times, to different characters. Tonight Alice and Jenny AND Max got it from my couch... but Alice won. Her dress made her look 9 months pregnant, with Holly Hobbie no less. Weird!Sheri

Alice's dress was all I could remember about last night's show----she looks so much better in chains.

Helena sex was hot--I can never figure out why the girls don't talk during sex...no dirty talk, no nothing---

I actually think Carmen and Shane are providing a bit of comic relief--i think they are going to be fine. Carmen is full of zest.....I like a bit of firecracker in a girl.

worried about the Helena sexual harrassment possibility.

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 12:00 PM

worried about the Helena sexual harrassment possibility.

I smell scam. I think Danny is behind it. More specifically, I think it's been a set up all along to get money out of the Peabody family.

mrMsf2005

02-27-2006, 01:44 PM

bette/ funny that she thinks shes still in charge
tina/ funny that she thinks SHES in charge
alice/ shes just funny
helena/ she is finally evolving into a nicer honest person, not so hostile
carmen/ GET YR ASS OUT OF THAT CLOSET and put on some damm clothes child, she aint that hot
shane/ funny she is apologizing for carmans dreams, TALK ABOUT pussy control:P "youflewAwayshane"i'm sorry" WHATEVER(dramaQnz)
kit/ you go girl, lovin the young dude, and sinGing her heart out!hay!
jenny/ love the woman she has become, sexy, and
ready to go places in every way, i love that she is with MAX,suits her,to be open and so sexual.
max/ grow some balls man and tell shane and whoever else to fuck off and quit giving you attitude manm for real, fuck them if THEY have a problem
dana/ hay lovin the oscar wild slash glam hat
thank god its a shw i can take my frustrations out on and still get on with my life AFTER:(

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 02:08 PM

Anybody else think that they are going to kill off Dana?

babyboytoy

02-27-2006, 02:30 PM

Anybody else think that they are going to kill off Dana?

After seeing last night's episode and then seeing the previews for next week..I am really hoping they dont kill off dana..maybe have her go through a close call and really battle her cancer but dont kill her off..but who knows what they will do..hopefully tina and bette will finally break up....

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 02:36 PM

hopefully tina and bette will finally break up....

Couldn't happen soon enough if you ask me.

babyboytoy

02-27-2006, 02:44 PM

shadowboi said:

"Bette is a self centered bitch. If you and your partner are having issues, going to meditate about it isn't going to help. Mediatate on why you think you need to meditate so much!"

Oh yeah... what the HELL was with her telling Tina that she couldn't go hang out with Kit and the rest???? I'm no Tina fan lately but can we say CONTROL FREAK? And then she gets pissed when she calls to "grant her permission" and finds out Tina has done what she wanted anyway? Isn't Tina an adult last I checked?

Jeeeeez.

And again, isn't she still jobless yet she's running off to catch a plane for the meditation thing? Whatever. I can't afford to fly anywhere even when I work full time year round unless I have to, for a funeral or something "mandatory". Crazy crap. I am checking into a free meditation class here in town, five miles from my house though.. but I have a kids and a job and this is reality.

I got mad when Tina rushed to nurse the baby and take her from Bette, because it seemed clearly punitive in Bette's direction and there is nothing lower (to me) than using a kid in an argument or to hurt another adult. Disgusting behavior, really.

What happened to "We don't own a crib" and the family bed thing with those two?

Carmen is nuts. I've had "those dreams" before and yes, I wake up mad, but I get over it by the time the coffee is brewed, and then *I* feel like an ass, even if I have a "good reason" for those type of dreams, a dream is JUST THAT.

Would Max have facial hair already? I was surprised by that, but I'm ignorant of the whole thing really.

Max really chose the wrong color skin tone for the pissin' packer though. Yikes. Looked like the "Corpse" selection. Or just me and my TV?

At least once, every episode, I say "WTF is she WEARING!?" to at least one character... and sometimes I say it two or three times, to different characters. Tonight Alice and Jenny AND Max got it from my couch... but Alice won. Her dress made her look 9 months pregnant, with Holly Hobbie no less. Weird!

Sheri

Sheri I totally agree with you in regards to where in the world did Max get facial hair..It sucks showing this on TV cause the directors speed everything up..But I DO LIKE how they are actually showing what the partner of anyone who transitions goes through..Its not only about Max it is about his girl too..Its not an easy transition for the two of them..The cock could not of looked more fake..he needs a darker cock..

Carmen freaked out only because of what Shane had done a few weeks ealier..it is not easy to just get over someone cheating on you...her dream just triggered what had happened..though it was funny..it does make sense why she was bothered..

What I really dont get is how these characters have changed so dramatically..its crazy..I wish they would of shown more character development instead of just showing how they are now...

The sex scene was hot omfg..and the house damn..

The thing with Bette though not a perfect angel she is trying..But no Tina has to be the bitch..How dare she take 'their" child right out of Bette's arms..that just broke my heart..but what is meditation going to do for their relationship that is deeply troubled by lack of communication and their feelings towards each other...I agree with what others have said..If tina is having these feelings towards men why doesn't Bette try to be there for her and figure out these feelings that Tina has instead of freaking out..

I cant wait for next week's episode

babyboytoy

02-27-2006, 02:47 PM

Couldn't happen soon enough if you ask me.

Im sick of seeing them go at it..when there is obviously nothing left between them..and what about the poor baby..they should of both really thought before they brought her into the world

Jens44

02-27-2006, 02:47 PM

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 02:55 PM

I don't know if anyone said this already, but I get totally irritated with the sloppiness as far as details on the show. Dana had a mastectomy, and was unable to reach back to unhook her bra -- that is something very realistic, and as a women's health nurse, I was happy to see that they showed the afteraffects of a mastectomy on a woman's arm mobility. However, in the scene at the basketball game, Dana picked up that same arm, on the affected side of her body, and waved vigorously at the crowd. Ugh. Get the details right, folks.

*frustrated*

Jen

They've been all over the place with details. But when you can't even carry something through the *same* episode. Sheesh.

My latest pet peeve:

I was getting really frustated with the product placement earlier in the season and then kind of forgot about it, but it came rushing back last night "You Mercedes Benz...." That scene with her and Lara after she won the tournament was a total commercial for the car.

Annoying.

wolfsong069

02-27-2006, 04:34 PM

Anybody else think that they are going to kill off Dana?

Well after the way they are writing the storyline this year I was half-assed thinking the plane would crash and everyone on it would die, Tina and Bette would move to Canada and live next door to Lindsey & Melanie. Eventually, Bette would cheat with Lindsey AND Melanie. Tina, in a rage and wanting revenge, will sleep with Brian and get pregnant but convince Justin the baby is his. Kit will go to canada to help Bette after Tina leaves her and takes All babies, whether or not she is the parent, and move in with Emmet. Emmet and Tina will marry for the benefits but there will be tension in the household because Emmet will still have a relationship a week and various strange men will be wandering around the house.In addition, Tina will become confused again because she will develop feelings for Emmet and act out jealously whenever Emmet has a new guy friend. Bette will get introduced to KD Lang and run off with her on a tour for KD's new CD.

Oh what they hell.....can't be any worse than what they are doing now can it? ;)

shadowboi

02-27-2006, 04:37 PM

Anybody else think that they are going to kill off Dana?

I hope they don't kill off Dana. I really like her when she isn't nailed up on the cross as a martyr.

shadowboi

02-27-2006, 04:39 PM

Carmen freaked out only because of what Shane had done a few weeks ealier..it is not easy to just get over someone cheating on you...her dream just triggered what had happened..though it was funny..it does make sense why she was bothered..

I understand that she wasn't over what happened, but she has a mouth and can open it (as we've seen) and say "you know what I don't think I'm totally over what happened and need sometime to myself." Don't go off saying "I dreamt that you and her got matching tattos and blah blah blah" because at that time you are a crazy person. Say what's on your mind!

dykeinabox

02-27-2006, 04:49 PM

I understand that she wasn't over what happened, but she has a mouth and can open it (as we've seen) and say "you know what I don't think I'm totally over what happened and need sometime to myself." Don't go off saying "I dreamt that you and her got matching tattos and blah blah blah" because at that time you are a crazy person. Say what's on your mind!

I don't know, I think there's something else going on with Carmen. When she and Jenny and Shane were being all weird she was pretty even about all of it. I don't know just what, but something tells me there's more here than meets the eye. We'll see.

TeaPartyTart

02-27-2006, 05:03 PM

Wondering why the following did NOT happen:

-Why didn't Tina give Bette an ear full for going on a 10 day meditation sabatical? Go buy one of those freakin' Chicken Soup for the soup books and get a damn job.

-Why didn't Shane kick Max's ass for jumping Jenni?

-Why don't they write more subtle funny lines like the one Tina said ..."No thanks, I've already had tea."

-And for the love of diet coke, why the heck didn't anyone have mile high club sex on Helena's private jet??;)

babyboytoy

02-27-2006, 05:33 PM

I understand that she wasn't over what happened, but she has a mouth and can open it (as we've seen) and say "you know what I don't think I'm totally over what happened and need sometime to myself." Don't go off saying "I dreamt that you and her got matching tattos and blah blah blah" because at that time you are a crazy person. Say what's on your mind!

Carmen had mention that it is hard for her to get over when they were sitting together towards the end of the show..

As far as her getting upset at Shane for what she dreamt about some woman are like that, until they know what they dreamt is not true and just a dream..I know my woman is like that...Has the same fiesty personality as Carmen..I dont think she has issues..Hell if someone I loved had cheated on me I would be acting the same way she is...

BigBadOfficer

03-05-2006, 03:18 PM

mrMsf2005

03-05-2006, 03:29 PM

I've only got one opinion to express and I mean no disrespect to anyone.

I was excited when Max came to town. I thought "Oh yea, finally they're going to show a butch and add that dynamic into the show"

Again, no disrespect to anyone, but I'm upset that the first butch on the show is being portrayed as FTM.
I think it adds to society's preception that all butch women really want to be men.

hey BBO, MRm, here, and you know i agree- its one thing to have a butch in the show its another to actually follow thru with the ID, and in her exp/ characters' exp....its kind of sad....like that dylan character, who is ready to say 'im not gay' and yet that validates her feelings? does that makes sense? I'M TOO MUCH INTO THIS SHOW, I THINK, I GET ALL INVOLVED, but its entertainment.

theeladyscorpian

03-05-2006, 04:01 PM

I smell scam. I think Danny is behind it. More specifically, I think it's been a set up all along to get money out of the Peabody family.thank you i thought it was just me who felt this way.....but too many saw her agressively going after Helena if it went to court she would'nt have a leg to stand on....Helena will come out of it fine.....i hope.....with their writing lately who knows really....

Tee*

BigBadOfficer

03-05-2006, 04:04 PM

but too many saw her agressively going after Helena if it went to court she would'nt have a leg to stand on....Helena will come out of it fine.....i hope.....with their writing lately who knows really....[/COLOR][/I]

Tee*

The writers will probably forget that they even showed that.................

Lachesis208

03-05-2006, 04:10 PM

The writers will probably forget that they even showed that.................

LOL yeah no kidding!

I, too, am WAY too into this show... I tried to quit after two episodes ago.... last week's episode sat in the DVR for almost the whole week.... I didn't want to watch it but I HAD TO... lol... sigh... I've got my American Idol problem under control (I think!) and now I need an L Word intervention.

When is Dana Delaney coming back on?? :$

BigBadOfficer

03-05-2006, 04:14 PM

I've only watched in once during it's scheduled time. We have cable on demand so we usually watch it at some point during the week.
I have a love hate relationship with it. I'll continue to watch it of course.............

babyboytoy

03-05-2006, 04:26 PM

I've only got one opinion to express and I mean no disrespect to anyone.

I was excited when Max came to town. I thought "Oh yea, finally they're going to show a butch and add that dynamic into the show"

Again, no disrespect to anyone, but I'm upset that the first butch on the show is being portrayed as FTM.
I think it adds to society's preception that all butch women really want to be men.

Big a part of me agrees with you and a part of me doesn't..

Yeah it is sad that the only butch portrayed on the show is an FTM..But you also have to look at society and the gay community does not know a whole lot about FTM's...I think it is wonderful to have an FTM on the show..

I do not think that it is showing that all butches want to be a man..But to each their own..

just my opinion

BigBadOfficer

03-05-2006, 04:35 PM

I do not think that it is showing that all butches want to be a man..But to each their own..
just my opinion

I personally don't think that is what the show is portraying. I'm saying that in my experience a lot of (not all) straight people have the opinion that butch women want to be men.

Lachesis208

03-05-2006, 09:08 PM

soooooooooooo....

What did you all think of Kit's speech to Max??

Timely. Are they eavesdropping on some of the discussions here? lol

shadowboi

03-05-2006, 10:22 PM

Again, no disrespect to anyone, but I'm upset that the first butch on the show is being portrayed as FTM.
I think it adds to society's preception that all butch women really want to be men.

I see your point. It does lend into that thought pattern.

Along that same vein though brings to the general public a real view of what an FtM goes thru in daily happenings. Like the bathroom scene where Max goes in with all the guys. Things like that are never thought of by the public at large, and will give people something to think about.

It has both good and bad points for sure.

bbjpride

03-05-2006, 10:32 PM

The only thing I don't like about Max is that I think he is a poor representation of our transgender community. The are portraying that FTM who choose to take T and go through surgery change who they are completely but in reality they are only changing their appearance to who they feel they truly are. The anger he has on the show is the feelings that most FTM have prior to transition, not during transition. Just my opions and thoughts. :)

OkieBug61

03-06-2006, 09:38 AM

soooooooooooo....

What did you all think of Kit's speech to Max??

Timely. Are they eavesdropping on some of the discussions here? lol

I thought Kit's speech to Max had a good and a bad twist to it. I think Kit should have questioned Max in a more concerning manner than accusing him of giving up what she felt is his best part (that of being a woman). Kit can't possibly know what Max is feeling inside. Being concerned of someones choice is one thing. Trying to force your opinion of their choice on them is quite another.

Whispertome

03-06-2006, 11:28 AM

I personally don't think that is what the show is portraying. I'm saying that in my experience a lot of (not all) straight people have the opinion that butch women want to be men.

That is so true, how many times I have heard that..why can they not have both on ?

Also, I am wondering why Max is so angry..is there another issue that is going to come up for him??? Maybe he was an ass always..I got involved with someone who at first was the perfect, loving Butch, then later on turned controlling and abusive...it is the pattern..

Is Dana going to die? I hope not.

And the sexual harassment..it is a set up but I think Dillon is regretting it already and will recant later one

mrMsf2005

03-06-2006, 01:33 PM

soooooooooooo....

What did you all think of Kit's speech to Max??

Timely. Are they eavesdropping on some of the discussions here? lol
really!:P i get the same impression!oooooow, kinda weird!

anyways, i loved KITs speech to Max, i thought it was
real and sincere and jumped out of my chair and said HALELUYA!
butthats just me,
i ?d my butch status in my 20s, and never
went on hormones, but lived as a man/passing for yrs, which
surprises me that i passed,as i have developed a more natural
appearance since, but i do agree with that speech and feel it
on a butch level; i love women, i dont want to transition and
live as a str8 man, or in keeping with gayID be viewed as a
gay man, THATS ME; i have come to love my womanhood, and to
share that self love with other women butch/femme/mtflesbianID
gives me an empowering and liberating appreciation for this
life i have been given IN THIS BODY, i can alter it, but i
i wear a bra cuz im38 and the suport does make my breasts
appear more body proportionate((?TMI?))anyway KIT hit both her
speeches out of the park last night!for sure!loved it!
(((and made me even more smitten w/her:s )))HOT!

theeladyscorpian

03-06-2006, 04:07 PM

okkkkkkkkkkk here goes just my imho.....kits speech to max was lovely.....however she can't know what max feels and it's not her place to make max question hys choices that is between max and the Drs he will be dealing with before the actual transition....

her second speech was moving to angus....

you know bettes going to walk in on tina playing house with the bio-man right? i'm wondering where all this is going when dealing with parental rights etc. they are so over have been for quite some tyme....enough already separate and live already....gesh

ok carmen has lost her damn mynd and is it me or is she becoming obsessive about shane she seems to be doing that i want to be your whole world thingy and she is really very emotionally abusive....

omg they set helena up lovely what will she do? the womyn is really feeling helena though so i wonder....but that was some sneaky shyt...

do you think they will keep dana on and will she and alice get back together?
i hope so they were fun together....

i am beginning to think 1 of our illustrious b-f members is a damn writer on the show.....QQn....welp same L-tyme same L-channel....

Tee*(L-word addict)

mrMsf2005

03-06-2006, 04:33 PM

jeeez TLS/tee, you said it!
i hope they show shane kicking carmen to the curb, and
dont just stop showing her and they go 'how you doin shane?'
and we get the picture....talk about messed up, ?WTF? man
anyway, yeh i think KIT gave her opinion w/o judging, but
MAX is constantly in the light of judgement, whether he was
moira/butch, or as MAX/ftm...i think daniela sea is doing an
extraordinary job, and a great add-on to the show, she makes
me sympathize w/and understand her character, great acting!

yeh did you notice that NO CONDOM was used in the sexscene
btwn TINA and harry? bam!endshow!tina knocked up, OR, can you
say STD??? of course they wont - here comes the sarcasm -
everyone knows you cant contractANY STD from having hetero
sex....:( i just hate it when shows have str8sexCONDOMLESS
they showed max and billy using a condom, dble standard????
whats up with that? continuity plsPLS!(n)
P.S.i think dylan will fess'up, her feelings for helena will
'come out' for what they are, she has a conscious/danny doesnt

TeaPartyTart

03-06-2006, 04:41 PM

I think I've given up rehashing what happened. Instead I started playing this game called:

Wonder where they got that story line?

Story:
Bette gets on her cell phone at the Buddhist retreat.

Where they got that story line:
Can you hear me now? Good...

*********************************************************
Story:
Alice tosses Dana's cutout in the trash and goes to look for it.

Where they got that story line:
Brady Bunch episode when Cindy gave Marcia's diary away to a book drive and Mike and Carol drove all over town looking for her 'inner most thoughts.'

SassyBritches

03-06-2006, 05:22 PM

I personally don't think that is what the show is portraying. I'm saying that in my experience a lot of (not all) straight people have the opinion that butch women want to be men.

I would agree with that. Most people assume I am straight so I get the earfull from straight people and even gay men. A lot of them seem to have the same opinion.

I am quick to correct and I do try to open up their eyes while their mouth is hanging open, stunned that I am "not straight".

theeladyscorpian

03-06-2006, 05:35 PM

omg ya think tina preggers again??????? roflllllll serves her flighty azz right.....no way you can get STD's from str8 sex????????? eek!!! a total double standard there.... you know what messed me up weren't they in bette and tina's bed??? what is wrong with those 2 heffa's excuse my french but they have no respect or moral boundries when it comes to screwing on the side damn get a hotel ,motel hell even the holiday inn.....just my .02
yes daniela is a good actor they need to give her more meat more realistic story lines and damn it all make the tyme lines fit so i can stop going cock eyed while mumbling WTF?????? carmen is an extremely beautiful womyn but shes turning into a damn fool.....you can be intimate with my family but not me?? i was like ok i've stepped into that alternate universe thing right????? lolllllll
jeeez TLS/tee, you said it!
i hope they show shane kicking carmen to the curb, and
dont just stop showing her and they go 'how you doin shane?'
and we get the picture....talk about messed up, ?WTF? man
anyway, yeh i think KIT gave her opinion w/o judging, but
MAX is constantly in the light of judgement, whether he was
moira/butch, or as MAX/ftm...i think daniela sea is doing an
extraordinary job, and a great add-on to the show, she makes
me sympathize w/and understand her character, great acting!

yeh did you notice that NO CONDOM was used in the sexscene
btwn TINA and harry? bam!endshow!tina knocked up, OR, can you
say STD??? of course they wont - here comes the sarcasm -
everyone knows you cant contractANY STD from having hetero
sex....:( i just hate it when shows have str8sexCONDOMLESS
they showed max and billy using a condom, dble standard????
whats up with that? continuity plsPLS!(n)
P.S.i think dylan will fess'up, her feelings for helena will
'come out' for what they are, she has a conscious/danny doesnt

mrMsf2005

03-06-2006, 05:59 PM

hey Tee, i dont thinkthey were in bette and tinas bed
/actually, door:o , cuz bette asked tina to move into the
other bdrm last week since she was having these feelings.
carmen, carmen, in real life sara shahi was a dallas cowboy
cheerleader:$ i think, maybe that explains the lack of
!CLOTHES! ok?:((girlputonsumdamclothes!)
shes a bore, as billy once said about a boy, but girl4me,
her,"beauty holds no mystery for me"(y)shes what i would call
HIGH MAINTENANCE, not to her tho,(@) i think id be in trbl
i think it was cool that Jenny confronted max, and whta shane
said to max, i think shane and jenny would be good for each
other, but who knows? theres what? 3more episodes left?
(u) see ya tee!;) mrM/ tio_papi\colours digest

babyangeleyez

03-06-2006, 06:10 PM

I'm a total L Word addict! This season so far has had its share of twist. I kinda figured though that Tina and Bette's relationship would hit the skids. I have liked Tina from the beginning, but not sure about what she is doing now. Dillion was acting way to weird while the camera was on. I'm surprised that Helena didn't pick up on it. Guess she was thinking Dillion was playing hard to get. It was so set up! Shane and Carmen... Carmen is wigging out hard!! Not sure how that storyline is going to play out. Max and Jenny... Hmm, I don't like Max anymore. I don't like how hy is starting to get abusive to Jenny. Alice and Dana... I'm glad to see that Alice is there for Dana and I really hope that Alice doesn't get too hurt. I'm hoping Dana will beat breast cancer and her and Alice get together, but I'm sure there is going to be a rollercoaster twist on that one. Can't wait until next week!!

theeladyscorpian

03-06-2006, 07:29 PM

papi we better stop chatting about all this before we see it in next weeks episode lollllll.......and thank you for clearing up the bed thing i was not amused carmen does enjoy showing the bootay....lol at her Hm status.....i think she would bore you quickly my friend.....you're much more intuned to depth instead of merely scratching the surface....imho;)

babyangeleyez i agree with you dylan is hooked on helena and she will indeed fess up.....

Tee*

sharkchomp

03-07-2006, 12:11 AM

Oh man, I got the feeling that Dana is going to die after watching next weeks preview. Man that would suck, I really like her character. I think it's cool that Max is transitioning but hate that he's getting steriods off the street - ie not going through a real doctor. Can't wait for next week

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

shadowboi

03-07-2006, 04:35 AM

Aw man! I haven't seen this week's yet cuz I suck :s

I'll watch it tomorrow night! I don't want Dana to die either! Alice will lose it for good!

TheDety

03-07-2006, 06:24 AM

Still somewhat new to B-F and still seeing what it has to offer...spreading my horizons so to speak and found this thread.

I watch LWord weekly religiously...so will be good to discuss the storyline with you all.

And Hi!

Lachesis208

03-07-2006, 07:39 AM

TheDety

03-07-2006, 08:06 AM

Welcome to our L Word support group! lol

Feel free to jump right in any time...

LOL support group?

*Steps up to the mic*

Uh *taps mic* Hi, my name is TheDety and I am an LWord Addict.

Enchantress

03-07-2006, 08:15 AM

TheDety

03-07-2006, 08:20 AM

*standing up and facing the room * " I am an L word addict" Admission is the first step to recovery isn't it?

With that said, what the heck is up with this season, I'm so very confused!

The Tina and Bette story line alone causes distress and who else wishes that Jenny would go away?

::looking for a show of hands:::

Jenny??? Oh my no! I love her strength in this season. Her standing up to Max is very much a turn on. Max is really turning into an asshole. I mean come on..."Where are your rich friends?". Can we say USER?

TiBette really need to seperate...or there is going to be some SERIOUS drama when Bette comes home to some dude boinking Tina.

Dana...god I love her and wish I could take her pain!! Alice is so freakin funny and wonderful!

Helena...HAWT! Dylan really needs to get rid of the hubby and clear her concious.

citybutch

03-07-2006, 08:45 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else find this so badly written and directed that its just too frustrating to watch?...

Don't want to burst anyones bubble...but am I alone here?

Mugsy

03-07-2006, 08:59 AM

I think it's cool that Max is transitioning but hate that he's getting steriods off the street - ie not going through a real doctor. Can't wait for next week.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~
Thank you!! I was wondering if this bothered anybody else.

theeladyscorpian

03-07-2006, 09:32 AM

um are you alone....weeeeeeeellllllll yes and noooooo i agree with the first part of your post it has been horrible errrrr ummmmm ack but i am too damn addicted to stop watching and i watch every week sometymes twice(in case i missed something)in hopes that it will get better:s

*steps up to the mic hello my name is Tee and I am an L-word addict* steps away quietly to que L-word reel lol......
Is it just me or does anyone else find this so badly written and directed that its just too frustrating to watch?...

Don't want to burst anyones bubble...but am I alone here?

Enchantress

03-07-2006, 10:33 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else find this so badly written and directed that its just too frustrating to watch?...

Don't want to burst anyones bubble...but am I alone here?

City,

A friend of mine said the same thing after watching one episode for five minutes *laugh*. I just seem to enjoy it either way ..

mrMsf2005

03-07-2006, 12:15 PM

:| hi, i'm a Lword addict:| *hi*(((support+clapping)))
i agree, citybutch, you know i watch the beginning credits
religiously and see everyweek that ilene chaiken is doing
most of the directing producing and writing, so shes (apart)
from talented, working on a full load ~
but, man what DRAMA! can you say dyke drama????
where are the other writersdirectors and producers?????

I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CARMENS MOM, SOOOO TRADITIONAL
AND SO STEREOTYPICAL, how old is carmen suposed to be? and
her mom is like ancient, im38, myMA58, myNIECE18, and we all
talk openly, my ma doesnt wear chanclas and carry a wooden
spoon, my abuelita(wouldbe77)didnt either(whowecalledgrandma)
oh, and her english was spoken thru her facial expresions.
i dont know her family sets hispanics back like a century,
assuming we finally made it into this one with all the macho
stereotypes gangrelatedjailbro's+youngbarriogirls, or flirty
sexydancing unmarried/divorcedTIAslooking for a goodtime or
husband, and the sunday churchgoing family....granted that
image does exist, but my problem is THAT IS THE ONLY IMAGE
THAT EXISTS - what about the machismo men who had to learn how
to cook, iron, anddo for themselves when their wives of 30yrs
finally got fed up w/theirBS and left them? and their
daughters were too busy/jobs,school,family, to take care of
their helpless"papa"...am i going on too long?anyway THAT IS
MY IMAGE/experience IN MY FAMILY and culture.maybe this is for
another thread????? huh?LWORD?:P sorry everyone:$

msdemeanor

03-07-2006, 12:37 PM

I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CARMENS MOM, SOOOO TRADITIONAL.....i dont know her family sets hispanics back like a century
I said this early in the thread, but it seems to need repeating every so often:

"They seem to have a fondness for offensively portraying every other stereotype, so why not this one, too?"

It appears that the only knowledge the writers have of any people or cultures other than their own come from stereotypes. I sometimes wonder if they even portray the closed little world that they DO know accurately, or if somewhere in West LA there are a hordes of trendy lipstick lesbians complaining over their trendy food of the day that they are nothing like the characters on the L word. Oh, wait, maybe I just steroetyped trendy West LA lipstick lesbians ;)

mrMsf2005

03-07-2006, 12:51 PM

I said this early in the thread, but it seems to need repeating every so often:

"They seem to have a fondness for offensively portraying every other stereotype, so why not this one, too?"

It appears that the only knowledge the writers have of any people or cultures other than their own come from stereotypes. I sometimes wonder if they even portray the closed little world that they DO know accurately, or if somewhere in West LA there are a hordes of trendy lipstick lesbians complaining over their trendy food of the day that they are nothing like the characters on the L word. Oh, wait, maybe I just steroetyped trendy West LA lipstick lesbians ;)

ha!totally
is a generalization the same as a stereotype?
and is it a possible loophole??
im signing off with that msdemeanor, stay outta trble you!(h)

Lachesis208

03-07-2006, 01:33 PM

Is it just me or does anyone else find this so badly written and directed that its just too frustrating to watch?...

Don't want to burst anyones bubble...but am I alone here?

Nope. Many of us agree with you, but we watch it anyway. No one knows why.

*shrug*

TeaPartyTart

03-07-2006, 01:37 PM

Nope. Many of us agree with you, but we watch it anyway. No one knows why.

*shrug*

Rumor has it there are hypnotic spirals that swirl in the background. No one can see them with the naked eye. I think it's like a dog whistle for a person. I know I look like this :| every Sunday night.

TheDety

03-07-2006, 01:38 PM

Nope. Many of us agree with you, but we watch it anyway. No one knows why.

*shrug*

Things that make one go "Hmmmmm"

TheDety

03-07-2006, 01:38 PM

Minnesota Princess

03-07-2006, 01:41 PM

Hi all,

I am princess and yes, I admit I am a Lword junkie...

With that said, can I vent for just one minute? Season 2 the creators of the L word spent great time and expense to show us how truly evil and divisive Helena could be, right? So with that said WTF is the deal this year? Suddenly she is a treasured member of the group, soft, girly, has a heart and shows some morality? I don't get it, did she have a complete catharsis or what? :s Very, very confused.

MP

Lachesis208

03-07-2006, 01:45 PM

Rumor has it there are hypnotic spirals that swirl in the background. No one can see them with the naked eye. I think it's like a dog whistle for a person. I know I look like this :| every Sunday night.

That's gotta be it.

OooOOooOOooh!!! I also meant to ask if anyone else happened to see the TOTALLY SUBLIMINAL butch-femme couple that posed for a prom picture during the Max-fundraising-party scene.....

Seriously! At one point during the party scene, they flashed on three or four different couples posing by a backdrop, getting their prom pics taken. The one couple went by so fast, I had to rewind the DVR to see it again. I had a reeeeaaaaally hard time pausing on the image, I think it was like one frame or something, because by the time it was on screen and I pressed "pause" so I could see it better, the DVR just advanced to the next scene and skipped right over the b-f folks! I finally managed to do it, and the two looked totally b-f to me. So I had to laugh. We got in there, but it was subliminal, sooo.. does that count?

me on Sunday nights: :| :s :| :s :| :( :| :o :|

angelincognito

03-07-2006, 01:55 PM

Hi there.

I only JUST got Showtime, so I'm only really now getting into L Word. Some friends lent me season one and I saw none of season two. But this season? I'm all about L Word and know pretty much everybody.

I also agree that these here lesbians are nothing like the lesbians I know (mostly) and originally found it offensive how they are making this stereotypical world of lesbians.

Then I thought, ummmm, it's TV. I'm pretty sure no one would watch if they showed real lesbian life,

"Baby, can you fix the ceiling fan?"

"Hunny, wanna veg on the couch and watch The Sopranos?"

"Snookums, maybe a little less salt in the rice next time?"

"Sweetie, make sure you boil that dildo a little longer this time."

(OK, maybe the latter makes for good TV... I'll ponder that one a little longer)...

Point is -- it's TV so generalizations and exaggerations are bound to happen... and I'm just going to take it for entertainment value.

That said, here are my opinions on the current characters/plot lines:

Shane: Ahh -- classic butch -- well, ummmm, minus the mascara, that is. ;) Personally, I like her and think she needs to dump that Carmen chick. The sex by the pool with Cherie scene?? GOOD GRACIOUS... come to mama! lol

Carmen: She's incredibly hot but too skinny and WAY too too high maintenance. I do think it's hot that she's a DJ and I am totally jealous of her hair. LOL

Dana: Man I really hope she doesn't die... it's sad what's happening to her... though, I am a little peeved about her new possessive-thing with Alice. She let Alice go -- and now that Alice is finally unbroken from it here she comes again...

Alice: I'm soooo glad that psycho stuff is over! I like Alice, she's so cute and quirky. And what she did for Lara at the hospital was really classy.

Bette: One of the hottest on that show. But REALLY needs to get the heck away from Tina.... she's also a little too (ok, A LOT) "froo froo shee shee" for me. Case on point, get a damn job even if it doesn't "inspire you" LOL -- then I suppose they can afford for her not to work. And for goodness sake, stop w/ the lost puppy look and the whining! ;)

Tina: One of the least hottest on the show (if not THE least hot). And even though I know it's a show I'm hating her dipping back into men. I think that perpetuates the notion that being gay is a choice. I don't know, she just aggravates me. As soon as man comes around her her eyes get all wide and pervy. Get a grip woman!

Helena: Very attractive -- like the accent -- not sure how I feel about her. Not liking that she's gettin' played by that Dylan chick.

Moira/Max: Loving the introduction of a transitioning FTM even though s/he's turning into a d*ck. Actually, I hope they show a true representation of the process. FTMs are not something I know too much about so I'm looking forward to seeing more about it. Not liking the whole "where were your rich friends" and grabbing Jenny like that -- NOT cool.

Jenny: I never liked her. She just annoys me. She just comes off as soooo frickin' phony, OMG.

Kit: She reminds me of my mom. LOL -- she looks like her. Other than that, I like her, but I do not trust that Mangus fella. LOL I think that's a mismatch if I ever saw one. That dude is icky.

Sooooo not like you asked all this -- but there's my two cents on the subject. :)

Come on Sunday!! I sooo need to know what the heck this "episode we can't miss" is all about.

Sarah_T

03-07-2006, 02:10 PM

I think part of the problem with Carmen and her family could be that Sarah Shahi is Iranian. You would think that with all the beautiful Hispanic women in the world, they could find a hispanic woman to play the part. I love Carmen, but I'll agree that her family seems a little "stereotypical".

All that being said, I still find myself glued to the couch every Sunday. My girlfriend and I are going on vacation on Friday and I'm already worried about missing the next episode!

I saw this site: http://www.thelwordonline.com/Season3_eps.shtml and when you look at episode summaries for the upcoming episodes, they make it sounds as though Dana may not beat her cancer. I don't want this season to end, but I want to know what happens already. This is madness!

:| hi, i'm a Lword addict:| *hi*(((support+clapping)))
i agree, citybutch, you know i watch the beginning credits
religiously and see everyweek that ilene chaiken is doing
most of the directing producing and writing, so shes (apart)
from talented, working on a full load ~
but, man what DRAMA! can you say dyke drama????
where are the other writersdirectors and producers?????

I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM WITH CARMENS MOM, SOOOO TRADITIONAL
AND SO STEREOTYPICAL, how old is carmen suposed to be? and
her mom is like ancient, im38, myMA58, myNIECE18, and we all
talk openly, my ma doesnt wear chanclas and carry a wooden
spoon, my abuelita(wouldbe77)didnt either(whowecalledgrandma)
oh, and her english was spoken thru her facial expresions.
i dont know her family sets hispanics back like a century,
assuming we finally made it into this one with all the macho
stereotypes gangrelatedjailbro's+youngbarriogirls, or flirty
sexydancing unmarried/divorcedTIAslooking for a goodtime or
husband, and the sunday churchgoing family....granted that
image does exist, but my problem is THAT IS THE ONLY IMAGE
THAT EXISTS - what about the machismo men who had to learn how
to cook, iron, anddo for themselves when their wives of 30yrs
finally got fed up w/theirBS and left them? and their
daughters were too busy/jobs,school,family, to take care of
their helpless"papa"...am i going on too long?anyway THAT IS
MY IMAGE/experience IN MY FAMILY and culture.maybe this is for
another thread????? huh?LWORD?:P sorry everyone:$

femmediva

03-07-2006, 02:28 PM

Hmmm...I had read that she's half Iranian, half Latina. In any case, the actress is not the one that's writing the script, so any stereotyping is coming from the writers' end of things.

I think part of the problem with Carmen and her family could be that Sarah Shahi is Iranian. You would think that with all the beautiful Hispanic women in the world, they could find a hispanic woman to play the part. I love Carmen, but I'll agree that her family seems a little "stereotypical".

All that being said, I still find myself glued to the couch every Sunday. My girlfriend and I are going on vacation on Friday and I'm already worried about missing the next episode!

I saw this site: http://www.thelwordonline.com/Season3_eps.shtml and when you look at episode summaries for the upcoming episodes, they make it sounds as though Dana may not beat her cancer. I don't want this season to end, but I want to know what happens already. This is madness!

dykeinabox

03-07-2006, 07:17 PM

I just saw a promo for a new NBC sitcom called "Teachers". Sarah Shahi is in it. Wonder if she's not going to be around on The L Word for much longer?

sharkchomp

03-08-2006, 01:51 AM

MissBelle

03-08-2006, 05:32 AM

Is it just me or does anyone else find this so badly written and directed that its just too frustrating to watch?...

Don't want to burst anyones bubble...but am I alone here?

I couldn't agree more.
I admit that out of much curiosity I have watched this a few times
and could not even believe how many "lesbian issues" were thrown
into one episode.
Such thin writing and downright silly direction.
Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't it take longer than one week
to get facial hair from a shot of T?
Where are the female David Chases out there?
I would so love for there to be a fun and sophistcated representation
of our lives on film or television, but sadly not yet.
Headed to a writing class, right away!!!!

TheDety

03-08-2006, 07:57 AM

Anyone here into spoilers? I just heard one that made me wince at the drama that will enfold.

theeladyscorpian

03-08-2006, 08:08 AM

thank you this is what i've been trying to say in my loooooooong winded way lol....i loved QAF it was really more realistic even when the content was questionable...its hard to get to know L-word charactors because they change personalities like i change shoes.....
I think one of the problems I have with the show is that it has no real character developement. Bette goes from super confident, running a big museum to unemployed and crying at a non speaking retreat. I don't know too many people like that. We all have our ups and downs but we don't usually go from one extreme to the other. Life throws us all curves but we usually remain mostly ourselves.

Now if you compare the L Word with Queer as Folk, QaF has characters that you got to know, they did change over time but it seemed more life like to me. I really like the L Word, I just think the writers need to commit to the characters and then write the stories around them.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

citybutch

03-08-2006, 08:33 AM

I can see going to extremes. Sometimes cataclysmic events lead some folks to go to extremes. I think eventually you recover and carry on...but extremes happen. I DO have to agree heartily here on character developement. It's a combination of bad writing, bad directing, and bad editing that leads to the choppy story development and non-existent character development. If they aren't more professional in subsequent seasons I think the show will sadly be short-lived.

I DO watch it for now...but only with one eye on the screen. I am easily occupied with other activities while the show is on...sometimes....even SLEEP! It bugs me from start to finish....

Remember the days back in the 80's when someone like Phil Donahue would have lesbians were on the show...? Calls would spread like a wave across the country to alert people to turn it on...was SUCH a big deal to see us represented on TV.

I think one of the problems I have with the show is that it has no real character developement. Bette goes from super confident, running a big museum to unemployed and crying at a non speaking retreat. I don't know too many people like that. We all have our ups and downs but we don't usually go from one extreme to the other. Life throws us all curves but we usually remain mostly ourselves.

Now if you compare the L Word with Queer as Folk, QaF has characters that you got to know, they did change over time but it seemed more life like to me. I really like the L Word, I just think the writers need to commit to the characters and then write the stories around them.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

mrMsf2005

03-08-2006, 04:54 PM

I just saw a promo for a new NBC sitcom called "Teachers". Sarah Shahi is in it. Wonder if she's not going to be around on The L Word for much longer?
GOOD ?QUES? YOU THINK SHANE'LL DUMP HER THIS WEEK?
I SAW THAT PROMO TOO, BUT DIDNT THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT IT
SINCE LWORD IS ALMOST DONE....

:s SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 'SPOILERS'????:'(
TELL MEEEE:o DONT TELLME:P TELL MEE:| DONT TELL ME
**HI, IM An LWORD ADDICT**((coughclap micfeedback)):(

sharkchomp

03-08-2006, 10:00 PM

Hey City, wow, yeah I remember those days too. I think I watched Oprah's first gay episode. I think last season or maybe it was this season, she did a show on FtM's. Well, it's a slow progression but it is happening, even at a snails pace. I think back too, to the first Real World on MTv where one of the cast was a gay perosn. That was HUGE man! And now it's just regular news - if even 'news' at all.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

MissBelle

03-12-2006, 09:06 AM

Okay so for those of you who love this show and think it is a fair representation
of "queer life" I have to wonder these things....
It is fact that a lot of our world believe that gay marriage, gay adoption and legal rights
between partners should not be allowed right?
and that they don't get a lot of oppurtunity to see great examples of intelligent, responsible and serious parenting in the queer world right?
Is it not true that a large portion of straight males in our society believe that
"she just needs the real thing"
or that being gay means being fickle and is based on a "sexual choice" rather than an emotional and or chemical one right?
So why is it okay for these characters to have a baby and then within a couple of episodes the bio mom is engaging in straight cyber chat and then tops it off with some
real straight sex while confused and equally flakey (no, her "very serious" and laughable buisiness demeanor does not excuse her from this fact) is hanging out at yet another vacuous club event or having a moment with a different woman?
or even worse, that none of them can do ANYTHING without consulting thier friends.
This kind of writing isn't saying what straight people have been insisting for so long?
I know that it certainly does not represent the life I see around me in major cities (okay maybe the 20's crowd) but these women are in their 30's and up!
Here is a quote from a bio male I work with,
"I love that show man, I watch it for the hot lesbians having sex!"
Apparently he and his buddy watch it whenever they can, get some laughs and watch some glammed up lesbians have sex with nearly everyone they come in contact with.

Look, I know a lot of you like it and it's fun fluff and all of that, but it *is important these days that the people within the queer world( writers,producers,directors) do not act in a irresponsible and greedy fashion just to get a paycheck at our expense in turn showing the world that just like that knew all along.......They all just need a dick, they have pathetic and chaotic lifestyles and hang out in clubs all the time constantly obsessing over DATING!
It doesn't insult you at all?
I just wish that there were something of reality or substance out there, like wouldn't it be nice if there were a woman with real kids of age, above infancy and the things those characters face?
maybe even a Butch who dates the straight lady next door?

As a local and usually very good local magazine in my area wrote in this months article
section and tell me if this sounds okay to you.
she writes....
"Perhaps if I were younger I would see more similarities, it doesn't matter to me though,
whether the women we see on the L word are real, it's the fact that they are on T.V is whats important"

Two things about that statement, the disturbing line if taken out of context that mirrors our society right now in the scariest way "ITS THAT THEY ARE ON T.V THATS IMPORTANT"
and that it "REALLY DOESN'T MATTER".
This is why our world thinks the way it does about so many things it doesn't understand.
I hope no one takes offence to this opinion, but I need to vent and is this not a forum for happy and unhappy things?
I guess when something so rare as a show about queers is on major television that we don't have to "settle" for what we can get.
P.S they might want to do something about the little girl voice on the FTM before they go giving her a full on beard.
Whew....
By the way, I love that this site and that we can have such a fun and open forum for sharing our thoughts on things.

dykeinabox

03-12-2006, 11:04 AM

GOOD ?QUES? YOU THINK SHANE'LL DUMP HER THIS WEEK?
I SAW THAT PROMO TOO, BUT DIDNT THINK TOO MUCH ABOUT IT
SINCE LWORD IS ALMOST DONE....

:s SOMEONE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT 'SPOILERS'????:'(
TELL MEEEE:o DONT TELLME:P TELL MEE:| DONT TELL ME
**HI, IM An LWORD ADDICT**((coughclap micfeedback)):(
Calm down there mrMsf2005. Would hate for you to choke.

Let's just say this. It's highly unusual for an actor to work two series full time. Although I understand the L Word shooting season is on the "off season" for regular shows.

So anything is possible.

Lachesis208

03-12-2006, 03:41 PM

Okay so for those of you who love this show and think it is a fair representation of "queer life" I have to wonder these things....

Well... It is possible to enjoy the show, even to love it, without also thinking it is a fair representation of queer life.

I feel pretty safe in saying that nobody who's posted in this thread (this season, anyway) believes that the L Word represents queers, lesbians, or anyone we know. So.. I don't know whether that makes the rest of your questions moot... I'm betting, though, that you're kinda preaching to the choir here, since most of us probably agree with your points.

The way I look at the L Word... and this is what allows me to maintain a sort of love/hate relationship with the show... is that NO television show fairly represents the folks it's portraying, not even straight folks. For example, Melrose Place, I don't know any straight folks who act like that.

Beyond that, we have to remember that whenever any minority group first begins to show up on television, it's in some kind of weird, marginalized, stereotyped role that bears little to no relation to the actual experience of folks in that group. I mean, really... within my lifetime: lesbians weren't even acknowledged to exist, then there was the famous girl-on-girl kiss on LA Law, then it was ok to have lesbian characters on tv as long as they didn't kiss anyone much less have sex, and now we have the L Word with its plethora of fucking.

I'm not saying it's "right" but I am saying, it's in a natural line of progressive evolution. Several years from now we can hope to see regular lesbians portrayed on tv, maybe even lesbians who look and act like us and our friends. For now, I see three choices: I can piss and moan about the lack of representation of MY life and stories on TV; I can become a writer or a producer and create accurate representations of my life and stories for TV, and then sell those products to networks; I can celebrate tiny victories for what they are. I choose the third one. I never, ever, not even in my wildest dreams, would have ever expected to see an entire television show completely about lesbians. Ever.

Where the L Word adds value to our world, just as the show exists today, is that it creates opportunities for people to talk to each other about being gay, being lesbian specifically. Straight folks (like coworkers) have asked me about the show, and I tell them, well, was Melrose Place an accurate depiction of YOUR life? And a light bulb goes off, and they say OH and then we talk about it.

So, no, to make a long post short, I'm not insulted by the L Word. As much as it sucks, and the stories are dumb, and the writing is worse than awful, and the characters are shallow, I appreciate that the show is on television. I hear what you're saying, I really do, and your concerns are valid. I just don't believe that people form opinions of others based solely on what they might see on one television show. Call me crazy... lol

Oh, and, welcome to b-f.com. Thanks for taking a risk and posting your thoughts here. :)

TheDety

03-12-2006, 03:47 PM

*Looking forward to tonight*

BigBadOfficer

03-12-2006, 03:54 PM

For example, Melrose Place, I don't know any straight folks who act like that.

I think of the same thing when I read some of these posts. I think of afternoon TV. You've never seen Hope from Days of our Lives with her make up smeared, baby on her hip screaming, or dirty dishes piled up in the sink. Who do we know that is married to a police officer and opens the door in the middle of the afternoon wearing an evening gown?
Who uses telepathy to guide their dead husband home after an avalanche has buried him for 3 months. Annnnnd if all the kids can age like 15 years within 2 in an afternoon soap opera then I can assume Max can have some facial hair within a week.

I myself hate the writing and see holes all of the time and get as frustrated as everyone else BUT if the L word were to mimic me and Pinkcrush or many other couples or friends I have the ratings would be horrible and we'd have a thread on how freakin boring it was.

It's got to be drama filled, with cliffhangers, unrealistic behaviors and everything else the L word has done.
It is crazy and I agree with all the posts ( I said that I think)

bikergal

03-12-2006, 04:48 PM

Can you say "soft porn" Every episode seems to be more and more sexual. hhmm... maybe that isn't such a bad thing....

*goes off to ponder things*

Lachesis208

03-12-2006, 05:56 PM

...if the L word were to mimic me and Pinkcrush or many other couples or friends I have the ratings would be horrible and we'd have a thread on how freakin boring it was...

lol... me too! My daily life is way too routine and boring to be shown on TV... who wants to watch me work my way through a pile of laundry taller than me? :(

TheRealJLO

03-12-2006, 08:55 PM

i'm sorry i missed the last episode and was in denial that Dana's character was dying....it could have been done better but okay they went with the cliche "what was everyone doing the moment this big thing happened" idea and everything leading up to it.

Alice in the hall crying was bad...but the flower singing was crossing the line!!!!! that thing as so morbid i was yelling at the screen.! okay i needed to vent, and now i have. goodnight.

TheDety

03-12-2006, 08:59 PM

Funny how you know something is coming. Yet you STILL cry.

It was like the Titanic...you knew it was going to sink.

TheRealJLO

03-12-2006, 09:05 PM

okay i just realized something..... you know how they replay the episode over immediately afterwards...... well it was a whole whopping 28 mins that shane was given before carmen came in straddled her and asked if it was over with. yeah shane cheated first...but 28!!!!!! carmen gave a retalitory fuck that means she set out to hurt her on purpose. grrrr. okay now i'm really out.

smartazfemme

03-12-2006, 10:43 PM

I had to post finally, I have been reading the thread forever it seems. I love the show, not because of all the "label issues" we have heard and seen in here, but, as a ground breaker. We have progressed so far to actually have a substance on TV of some simulance of what we may live. Even if all do not agree, we are abel to be seen.

I know how it feels to be southern, femme, and not be forgiven for being gay and who I am. From birth to this point in life, always. I know most of us must remember what it was like in the 70-80 years, pre-aides, famous star support, and just being able to talk openly anywhere about being a lesbian. I am so glad the growth of the show means the writers are taking on one issue at a time. They can't solve them all or make everyone happy. But, I realize when I hear another ER nurse talk about it and she is not gay, she is at least accepting we have a role in society, and we have the same issues as any other human being.

Now on a less than serious note.......my the sex scenes are getting good....lol. Now where can you see that at??? my thoughts......Smart(k)

SassyBritches

03-12-2006, 11:14 PM

MY DISH BLEW OVER!! so, my direct TV is not getting a signal. What happened tonight??? I hope Carmen & Shane broke up

smartazfemme

03-12-2006, 11:21 PM

Sassy,

Dana died, Alice left for 20 minutes maybe, and then of course she died alone. They timed it up to the death, making it as if what everyone was doing up to the time of the death of a friend. Carmen and Shane fucked like WOW, really good soft porn, only after she told Shane she fucked someone also, after the Sherry thing. Bette left the silent retreat, met some nice people at the bus stop, which of course she has never road, but, had to get back home, she could no longer stand the silence. Good scene for the nice help strangers can give you. Bette's ex, went to an all straight dinner, and looked all family burb type, and had a reality check. Kitt realized she was in love and crazy like most of us get when we are in love. Max and bimbo went to eat with her ex from the first season, the man, and his wife. She was rude, and Max is becoming a jerk, now has full hair growth in just a week... Breif and to the point, but, one to catch...its on tomorrow at 8 and tuesday at 10...see you...Smart(k)

turino

03-12-2006, 11:28 PM

mameha

03-13-2006, 12:09 AM

MY DISH BLEW OVER!! so, my direct TV is not getting a signal. What happened tonight??? I hope Carmen & Shane broke up

tonight it was about losses and how different people deal with it...
from Bette's attempt (& failure) to find peace and serenity in silence, to how Carmen dealt w/ Shane's cheating, to Helena losing whatever-her-name-was and also being faced w/ lawsuit, to Lara losing the chance to re-connect, to Alice not being there for the last moments, to Dana losing the battle w/ cancer....and to the cast losing a co-worker due to the storyline...

oh ..i hate to crush your hope but C & S didn't break up...in fact...ok i won't spoil it.

lastly..i didn't like that Max, without first asking if it is ok, reached and rubbed the pregnant belly of Jenny's ex's new wife.."when are you due?". is this an ok behavior?

Whispertome

03-13-2006, 12:26 AM

IMO, this episode was to show how devastating and surprising life/death can be. How breast cancer, or any kind of cancer can change lives and also how the little hassles in life really are not that important. It also shows that even as one passes, life does go on..looking forward to Alice's "outburst" at the services next week

AsianLes

03-13-2006, 01:31 AM

I don't like the L Word, because I found that all the characters in here are so fake. Come on, they all got good jobs, supper SKINNY, supper model, too much FEMME, nothing is wrong with Femme, I am one but they need VARIETY. There is like one Butch and that's Moira. Shane is not even Butch, she in a world of her own, Andro is not Butch, period. Amazing how she wear dark eyes liner, lipstick and some still consider Shane is Butch, Lolz!!!!
Another problem is Sex, there nothing wrong with sex but it too much, they need a good plot and storyline. I know that they need rating, but I found it annoying to see Sex in like every 30 minutes of each episolds. And tick me off, in the 1st season where I see Jenny hump her BF like every 15 minutes, "Shrug" Scary, Lolz!!!! Sex is beautiful, just don't over do it.
I can see a lot of flaws in this show. It's nothing compare to Boys Don't Cry or If These Walls Could Talk 2.
Just my opinion. No offense.

SassyBritches

03-13-2006, 07:10 AM

Thank you so much!!! I just had to know! I bet Shane & Carmen go in the poly direction... or that might be too much for America right now.

Sassy,

Dana died, Alice left for 20 minutes maybe, and then of course she died alone. They timed it up to the death, making it as if what everyone was doing up to the time of the death of a friend. Carmen and Shane fucked like WOW, really good soft porn, only after she told Shane she fucked someone also, after the Sherry thing. Bette left the silent retreat, met some nice people at the bus stop, which of course she has never road, but, had to get back home, she could no longer stand the silence. Good scene for the nice help strangers can give you. Bette's ex, went to an all straight dinner, and looked all family burb type, and had a reality check. Kitt realized she was in love and crazy like most of us get when we are in love. Max and bimbo went to eat with her ex from the first season, the man, and his wife. She was rude, and Max is becoming a jerk, now has full hair growth in just a week... Breif and to the point, but, one to catch...its on tomorrow at 8 and tuesday at 10...see you...Smart(k)

Mugsy

03-13-2006, 07:20 AM

I'm an hour past over it with Jenny's militant dyke attitude, and it looks like Max is getting his fill too.

TeaPartyTart

03-13-2006, 07:27 AM

I cried like a baby!

I thought it was odd how Alice was looking up at the sun and crazy Tonya shows up all angelic and knocked up. Foreshadowing of death, new life...one leaves.

The whole bus stop and Bette was a little too Forest Gump for my taste.

I do think it was one of the better shows. I liked how the cast was on after talking. They didn't want Dana to die either. I'm glad they showed that.

MissBelle

03-13-2006, 12:36 PM

Well... It is possible to enjoy the show, even to love it, without also thinking it is a fair representation of queer life.

I feel pretty safe in saying that nobody who's posted in this thread (this season, anyway) believes that the L Word represents queers, lesbians, or anyone we know. So.. I don't know whether that makes the rest of your questions moot... I'm betting, though, that you're kinda preaching to the choir here, since most of us probably agree with your points.

The way I look at the L Word... and this is what allows me to maintain a sort of love/hate relationship with the show... is that NO television show fairly represents the folks it's portraying, not even straight folks. For example, Melrose Place, I don't know any straight folks who act like that.

Beyond that, we have to remember that whenever any minority group first begins to show up on television, it's in some kind of weird, marginalized, stereotyped role that bears little to no relation to the actual experience of folks in that group. I mean, really... within my lifetime: lesbians weren't even acknowledged to exist, then there was the famous girl-on-girl kiss on LA Law, then it was ok to have lesbian characters on tv as long as they didn't kiss anyone much less have sex, and now we have the L Word with its plethora of fucking.

I'm not saying it's "right" but I am saying, it's in a natural line of progressive evolution. Several years from now we can hope to see regular lesbians portrayed on tv, maybe even lesbians who look and act like us and our friends. For now, I see three choices: I can piss and moan about the lack of representation of MY life and stories on TV; I can become a writer or a producer and create accurate representations of my life and stories for TV, and then sell those products to networks; I can celebrate tiny victories for what they are. I choose the third one. I never, ever, not even in my wildest dreams, would have ever expected to see an entire television show completely about lesbians. Ever.

Where the L Word adds value to our world, just as the show exists today, is that it creates opportunities for people to talk to each other about being gay, being lesbian specifically. Straight folks (like coworkers) have asked me about the show, and I tell them, well, was Melrose Place an accurate depiction of YOUR life? And a light bulb goes off, and they say OH and then we talk about it.

So, no, to make a long post short, I'm not insulted by the L Word. As much as it sucks, and the stories are dumb, and the writing is worse than awful, and the characters are shallow, I appreciate that the show is on television. I hear what you're saying, I really do, and your concerns are valid. I just don't believe that people form opinions of others based solely on what they might see on one television show. Call me crazy... lol

Oh, and, welcome to b-f.com. Thanks for taking a risk and posting your thoughts here. :)

Thank you for your welcome and points well taken Lachesis.
I think that I may have not been clear in saying that while of course no
television truly depicts the real lives of others in a fully realistic
way and that is obvious and understood, the difference is that this is
one of the only "lesbian" shows out there.
It would be nice if the writers had some integrity in the story lines
knowing that gay marriage and adoption are something that the non gay world
is not taking very seriously and if one were a straight voting conservative person
out there without a lot of world experience or sophistication, they might just see
all this frivolous crap and lack even more understanding.
It has been proven that there are a large number of people who unfortunatly
*do believe what they see.

Yes, there are hundreds of over the top shows and soap operas , but this is the only one at the moment about gay females, thats why I feel the content *does matter.
Infact, I could care less if "my life" is being respectfully portrayed,but
that in this era of gays trying to be taken seriously, this Irene chaiken
is a very irresponsible girl who thinks she is doing us all a big ground breaking favor, it's a bad, self important lesbian ego trip.

My jaw dropped at how unaware the cast was in the pre show last night about
the breast cancer victim Dana leaving the show.
They started by saying a "few" words about cancer and then started whining bout their castmates departure!!!!
They didn't even realize what they were doing and saying!
Unbelievable.
I will give credit though in that the gay scene in L.A is a lot like that from what I experienced myself while there and from a close Butch friend of mine who can't get a
femme date in L.A to save his life and I can assure you it isn't lack of looks or brains.
A lot of the audience for this show is straight and it's the first they have seen of all of it aside from Billie Jean King or the mulleted dyke at the mall.
As far as preaching to the choir...I wouldn't have wasted my time in doing that.
Until your post and a few others lastnight, it was a love fest on here with the exception of Citybutch whom I responded to originally.
I have no interest in being contrary for the sake of it or being a bitch today so I need to give it a rest, but thank you so much for responding.
By the way, how long has the new mother character known this guy she's bringing around her new kid? hmmmmm

mrMsf2005

03-13-2006, 01:10 PM

wow, dana dying was big, i think the show seemed a bit more like a return to the characters more so than the last few episodes...rose troche, wrote and directed last nights show, which made a difference; ithought. i wanted helena to say exactly what she shouldve 'you set me up'...and NOT pay them off...IMO...the bus stop primal scream therapy, i dont know bette needed it, her character is rich in depth and theory she needs stuff spelled out for her, letter by letter....KIT and the insecure stuff, yay, she is letting herself feel and love..and fear..that stuff is brand new for someone in recovery and im glad they showed that, cuz its NOT just people in recovery, its raw human emotions...her being a non-practicing alcoholic is just a bonus her character has to offer the viewers. ?WTF?TINA?playinghouse? anyway im not sure i believe carmen did cheat on shane, i think she just made it up to see how much shane wants her, and what her reaction would be, if she'll be hurt or not...
and whatshisname with the pregnaNt wife, JENY'S mysoginist ex, man what a jerk, of course he coaches HSgirls sports, he HAS to control women, the more the better&the younger, the more guys he saves in the future from going thru his life by control...hes so transparent, he is typical, and mean, i have no sympathy for his character, in fact i was hoping MAX and his wife would hit it off and he'd get all bent about THAT...that'd be fun to watch...?TMI?later all!:P

babyboytoy

03-13-2006, 01:23 PM

dragon

03-13-2006, 03:22 PM

The Documentary ' Silverlake Life: A View from Here" was about 2 men (who I knew) that filmed their lives together on through to both getting AIDS. In that movie when one died the other sang "You are my Sunshine" to him as he lay there lifeless...It was one of their songs..

that is a beautiful and very, very touching movie. :'(

dykeinabox

03-13-2006, 03:31 PM

I am once again annoyed with the show...what else is new?

The Documentary ' Silverlake Life: A View from Here" was about 2 men (who I knew) that filmed their lives together on through to both getting AIDS. In that movie when one died the other sang "You are my Sunshine" to him as he lay there lifeless...It was one of their songs..

I hate that the writers stole it from there....

YUCK.

seems they hardly have an original thought... I spit on this show

secretly hoping they read this board.

Turino, not to know your thought process, but Silverlake wasn't the first film to use this song and it won't be the last. Even in the same context. It's cliche as hell, but I don't think it was intended as a direct rip.

Just always remember... there isn't an original idea in Hollywood. Just seven ideas that keep circulating.

Aqueerius

03-13-2006, 09:00 PM

Im terribly sad that Dana died..But give the directors credit in picking one of the only characters people really like..and how she was an athelete yet still got brest cancer..showing that anyone can get cancer..

Like others on here I agree that QAF directors did alot better with that show then the L word is doing..L word is not life like and the story line sucks ass but still i find myself watching it every week and drawn into it..

Who in their right mind would have sex with their gf after they found out that she cheated on them..come on now..So fake..

I do not like how Dana died alone..that is not fair..and how could you not see it coming after she left the room to get some fresh air to come back to her dead...

Max's character is a good portayal of a ftm in alot of ways..yeah with the magic of television he has a full face of hair..but look at the attitude..alot of men on T do develop some type of anger if they dont know how to supress it..

I think the show does a good job at showing what does happen in the homosexual world but does not keep focus on the issues..they just hit on them instead of focussing on them..its sad..

Im hoping this show gets better next season..but im still sad to see QAF is better then the L word..

Just my .02
I totally agree with the points you made here and would like to share my experience when my mother died from breast cancer. The nurse on the show kept pushing Alice to go get some fresh air. She even made a point to say something like "she has not gone anywhere." Well, that was when I knew Dana was going to pass away.

The hospice nurses where my Mom died explained to me and my family that the gravely terminal patient will hold on as long as they can, especially if there is a loved one, friend, etc. present in the room. The last sense that goes is their hearing so even if they are on machines and look lifeless they are still listening to whoever is present. The nurse begged me to go home and get some rest. She assured me that she would call me with any changes in my mom's condition. Well, I went home and about 20 minutes later I received the call that my Mom had passed. I still feel guilty that I was not there when she died. But I am comforted by the fact that I made sure that before I left I told my Mom what I needed to tell her and told her that it was okay for her to join my Dad in heaven.

babyboytoy

03-13-2006, 10:21 PM

I totally agree with the points you made here and would like to share my experience when my mother died from breast cancer. The nurse on the show kept pushing Alice to go get some fresh air. She even made a point to say something like "she has not gone anywhere." Well, that was when I knew Dana was going to pass away.

The hospice nurses where my Mom died explained to me and my family that the gravely terminal patient will hold on as long as they can, especially if there is a loved one, friend, etc. present in the room. The last sense that goes is their hearing so even if they are on machines and look lifeless they are still listening to whoever is present. The nurse begged me to go home and get some rest. She assured me that she would call me with any changes in my mom's condition. Well, I went home and about 20 minutes later I received the call that my Mom had passed. I still feel guilty that I was not there when she died. But I am comforted by the fact that I made sure that before I left I told my Mom what I needed to tell her and told her that it was okay for her to join my Dad in heaven.

Aqueerius:

First off I want to say Im sorry to hear about your mother passing..I also have to agree with what you have said in response..It is sad how she went and how Alice was not there because of the love she had for Dana..I do however understand the whole fact that they will fight and fight until they are alone and then die..
I still love the directors for the way they portrayed what someone with cancer goes through...

theeladyscorpian

03-13-2006, 11:28 PM

okkkkkkkk....

I'm saddened that Dana's charactor is gone however it is 1 of the few as of late realistic things going on in this show....Poor Alice she was pulled again and now to endure this loss I hope they allow her to heal with some dignity this tyme instead of making her a pill poppin fool with a shrine....
The Max Jenny Ex husband new wife thingy ughhhhhhhhh why??? I just do not get that set up at allllllllll....
I am so glad Kit is beginning to realize shes worthy and getting in touch with her self.....she now knows love....cool
Ugh Shane and Carmen what in the hell?????I cheated on you after you cheated on me so now lets have wild monkey sex baby and in the preview why don't i ask you to marry me.....so not xhane i am becoming ill with how they are twisting her into a damn puppet....no punannie is that dag gone good jeezz!
Helena and Dylan wow...Talk about breaking my heart poor Helena...got suckered punched...pay attention because it glitters does not always mean it's gold geesh she should have walked away when she found out the gurl was str8....
Last but not least Ms Tina and Bette....they are both getting on my nerves as of late the choices the drama the bull ick....snatch the pin away from those damn writers pleaseeeee....:|
just my .02
Tee*

theeladyscorpian

03-13-2006, 11:37 PM

I'm sorry for the loss of your Mother....Thank the Creator you got to tell her what she needed most to hear.....

Blessings,
Tee*
I totally agree with the points you made here and would like to share my experience when my mother died from breast cancer. The nurse on the show kept pushing Alice to go get some fresh air. She even made a point to say something like "she has not gone anywhere." Well, that was when I knew Dana was going to pass away.

The hospice nurses where my Mom died explained to me and my family that the gravely terminal patient will hold on as long as they can, especially if there is a loved one, friend, etc. present in the room. The last sense that goes is their hearing so even if they are on machines and look lifeless they are still listening to whoever is present. The nurse begged me to go home and get some rest. She assured me that she would call me with any changes in my mom's condition. Well, I went home and about 20 minutes later I received the call that my Mom had passed. I still feel guilty that I was not there when she died. But I am comforted by the fact that I made sure that before I left I told my Mom what I needed to tell her and told her that it was okay for her to join my Dad in heaven.

wolfsong069

03-14-2006, 04:05 AM

I do not like how Dana died alone..that is not fair..and how could you not see it coming after she left the room to get some fresh air to come back to her dead...

Both my mother and my girlfriend are cancer survivors, this was a difficult episode to watch.

Sooooooo is anyone as sick of Jenny as I am? Using Max's transitioning as a weapon to throw in someone else's face. I think it's about time Max had a sit down with her before she goes too far. This is HIS story to tell, and to whom he wants to tell it to. They need to have an agreement on how this is going to be handled. I noticed she barely bothered to introduce him, and when she did she almost immediately gave out his personal information. God Jenny sucks.

Shyfemmekat

03-14-2006, 07:31 AM

I've watched the first 2 seasons so far. Kit and Ivan are my favorites so far. I am so over Jenny. I want to know when they are going to have a big butch character on there. ;) Butch is Bomb. And where are the quieter, more down to earth people? It seems like everyone on there has slept with everyone else. Many people seem to think all of us are like that. I always have to explain to people that not all of us queer women are like The L Word. A lot of us don't have good jobs, disposable income, and a whole list of sexual conquests. Some of us are pretty conservative and are in committed relationships. We are trying to build something lasting and permanent. Still sometimes it is really good, and I don't see a lot of other shows out there like it. I think TV is usually over the top, as someone else mentioned previously. I loved "Six Feet Under" as well, sorry it's gone off the air now. "Silverlake Life" made me cry. So did "Brokeback Mountain", and "Southern Comfort".

ShyFemmeKat

femmediva

03-14-2006, 09:05 AM

There's an article in the Arts section of today's Times about the current trend in television of "killing off" main characters. The Dana plot line in the "L Word" is prominently featured in the article. They have some good quotes from Erin Daniels about her thoughts on the issue.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/14/arts/television/14kill.html?pagewanted=1&th&emc=th

Lachesis208

03-14-2006, 09:52 AM

Peggy Peabody is my all-time favorite character. I want to be her when I grow up.

dykeinabox

03-14-2006, 10:40 AM

Peggy Peabody is my all-time favorite character. I want to be her when I grow up.
I love the woman who plays her. I'll watch her in damn near anything. She rocks.

Medusa

03-14-2006, 10:53 AM

I love the woman who plays her. I'll watch her in damn near anything. She rocks.

Is she the same woman who played in the movie "Dolores Claiborne" with Kathy Bates?

mrMsf2005

03-14-2006, 12:06 PM

Is she the same woman who played in the movie "Dolores Claiborne" with Kathy Bates?
no that was JUDY PARFITT / vera donovon in dolores claiborne

im doing a search for the woman from LWORD, she played
RUTH DUNBAR IN BOSOM BUDDIES....shes great, yeh..amazing!

HOLLAND TAYLOR IS HER NAME/ she hasnt aged in 25yrs!shes great -
im secretly smitten with her...((!childhood crush continues!))

dykeinabox

03-14-2006, 12:53 PM

no that was JUDY PARFITT / vera donovon in dolores claiborne

im doing a search for the woman from LWORD, she played
RUTH DUNBAR IN BOSOM BUDDIES....shes great, yeh..amazing!

HOLLAND TAYLOR IS HER NAME/ she hasnt aged in 25yrs!shes great -
im secretly smitten with her...((!childhood crush continues!))
Secretly? Nah, I will proudly say it: She rocks that older woman vibe.

Lachesis208

03-14-2006, 06:24 PM

Secretly? Nah, I will proudly say it: She rocks that older woman vibe.

totally. I *so* want to be like that when I'm old. I love the lines she gets on the L Word, and her delivery is priceless. Love her love her love her!

So how come Helena has this big British accent, but her mother doesn't... huh.

passionbtlife

03-14-2006, 06:42 PM

I think one of the problems I have with the show is that it has no real character developement. Bette goes from super confident, running a big museum to unemployed and crying at a non speaking retreat. I don't know too many people like that. We all have our ups and downs but we don't usually go from one extreme to the other. Life throws us all curves but we usually remain mostly ourselves.

Now if you compare the L Word with Queer as Folk, QaF has characters that you got to know, they did change over time but it seemed more life like to me. I really like the L Word, I just think the writers need to commit to the characters and then write the stories around them.

~~~shark~~~~~~~~

Actually I disagree, I was in Bette's position and I see her as in a re-evaluation period. I know when I was fired (for being gay no less) from the job of my dreams, that I worked my entire career working towards, I had a major self evaluation period. No one wanted to hire me for a lesser position because they were threatened by my resume. I didn't want the same position because of the demands on my family life. I have never experienced this before. I usually just 'fell' into positions easily. It made me have a paradigm shift in who I was and how I viewed myself. My priorities shifted. I felt this was a direct intervention from my 'higher power/god self/god' however you view it. My identity shifted from word ego centered to a self ego centered 'I am not my job' self... it was quite a trip...I don't see her losing herself as much as finding herself.

The retreat she went on is called Vipassana Meditation, it is a mind/mood altering retreat. I have had several friends take it and when I have the time and my child is in college I am going to take it also. When people left it they had profound effects from it spiritually and emotionally. I would say...don't knock it til ya try it...

my humble 2 cents...
:) Ellen

Hey good point...where did she get that english accent???? LOL Boarding school????

NYFemmeGirl

03-14-2006, 11:46 PM

Sooooooo is anyone as sick of Jenny as I am? Using Max's transitioning as a weapon to throw in someone else's face. I think it's about time Max had a sit down with her before she goes too far. This is HIS story to tell, and to whom he wants to tell it to. They need to have an agreement on how this is going to be handled. I noticed she barely bothered to introduce him, and when she did she almost immediately gave out his personal information. God Jenny sucks.

I'm sick of her too. I was really angry at her when she outed Max. She was awful in so many ways. She felt that Max was not up to par with her ex or at least she's not over her ex and was far more interested in him than Max. Not only didn't she introduce Max at first, but she baited her ex by saying that she knew what he was thinking and that he really didn't want her to succeed. It was cool how Rose Troche had Jenny seeing herself saying that the hot dog joint was the best one around when her ex's wife was really saying it. More insight into Jenny's crazy mind.

Max's copying male behavior from Jenny's ex was frighteningly true to life!

Is their relationship headed nowhere or what? Jenny wants a life lived on the edge and Max, except for the accident of being transgendered, is best suited for a life back in the Midwest with a Becky wife and a lawn to mow.

I thought the sex btwn Carmen and Shane was really hot but also mistimed. (yes, the show has more nudity and more and better sex now). Carmen is doing everything to break up their damn relationship. Why did she have to tell Shane? Though I wonder if telling Shane turned Shane on because she heard it in her head while they were making love? And I hate that this is going to further their relationship (and I hate when I can't find the remote control fast enough to skip the coming attractions).

I've been noticing lately that Jennifer Beale is not a good actor. I guess they needed her big star name power but all the other actors are better.

I was also moved by Dana's death. Alice's crying slayed me and that toy "You Are My Sunshine" was so good. And what was the version of the song they played after that during the credits? Haunting. Though the time gimmick was a little much.

MacktheKnife

03-15-2006, 05:05 AM

Personally, I dislike the L Word totally.

wolfsong069

03-16-2006, 03:35 PM

Personally, I dislike the L Word totally.

I'm getting there......

The start and stop story lines are ridiculous......

Carmen drops a bombshell like that on her family and nothing is ever said about it again?

Bette & Tina have a baby that has become merely a prop?

Shane fucks her ex and the ex mysteriously disappears again, no conversation bewtween them, no resolution? Comeon....Shane was in love with that woman and the break-up was ugly.

Max takes 2 shots of T and looks like Chuck Norris?

Give me a break for cripes sake.....:|

A Becky wife and a lawn to mow ehey? Something tells me you've never been to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, or St. Louis. ;)

MissBelle

03-20-2006, 10:08 AM

I'm getting there......

The start and stop story lines are ridiculous......

Carmen drops a bombshell like that on her family and nothing is ever said about it again?

Bette & Tina have a baby that has become merely a prop?

Shane fucks her ex and the ex mysteriously disappears again, no conversation bewtween them, no resolution? Comeon....Shane was in love with that woman and the break-up was ugly.

Max takes 2 shots of T and looks like Chuck Norris?

Give me a break for cripes sake.....:|

A Becky wife and a lawn to mow ehey? Something tells me you've never been to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, or St. Louis. ;)

Well, I gotta admit I was starting to feel silly that I had even taken the time to care or write about how insulting and just plain dizzy this show is.
I would check to see if any other members wanted to engage about it, but would find myself wanting to log off for good after reading more and more about how "hot" this or that one is and all the saccharine sentimentality about it.
I guess it stems from an over all saddness about lesbian writing,films,t.v and even most of the music, and no, not "all", but you know damn well it's mostly Hallmark fare.
I mean do we always have to be "crawling thru gravel?
"standing under windows"
"feeling sea breezes" and other endless cliches that sound like 16 year old girls who dot thier I's with big circles and take themselves and their sadness SO seriously and dramatically?
felt like I was in the wrong place for sure, but now I see that I'm not from another planet afterall and thankfully not "the Planet."
I am a firm believer though that it is as important to see what is not good as it is to see what is, that way, we may notice these things in our own work or lives and hopefully avoid some mistakes.
ps, Chuck Norris, thats great!

Ceilidh

03-20-2006, 10:12 AM

I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thinks these women are all acting like teenagers going through the angst-ridden first love. My wife flatly refuses to watch the show with me any longer. I keep watching for the same reason I'm unable to put a book down, even if it's really bad. :s

pinkcrush

03-20-2006, 10:32 AM

Personally, I dislike the L Word totally.

I love it, it's TV, it has lesbians, it has boobies, it has sex, it's queer.

It's TV. That's all, I probably spend less than 4 hours a week watching TV & I don't take any television show too seriously, it's just a time for me to vegetate and see people that resemble my life (even if it is just slightly).

I'm sure not everything that happens on Law & Order is a factual representation of how police work/culture truly is but it is entertaining.

I enjoy the way the show jumps around and doesn't hand everything to me at once. They eventually tie everything together, sometimes it just takes them awhile to get around to it.

MissBelle

03-20-2006, 10:54 AM

I love it, it's TV, it has lesbians, it has boobies, it has sex, it's queer.

It's TV. That's all, I probably spend less than 4 hours a week watching TV & I don't take any television show too seriously, it's just a time for me to vegetate and see people that resemble my life (even if it is just slightly).

I'm sure not everything that happens on Law & Order is a factual representation of how police work/culture truly is but it is entertaining.

I enjoy the way the show jumps around and doesn't hand everything to me at once. They eventually tie everything together, sometimes it just takes them awhile to get around to it.

Well, that says it all....
They reached their target demographic.
Although is it a T.V show and shouldn't be taken seriously, I guess us "few"
feel a diservice and that "settling" smacks of complacency, the very reason
that lesbian stereotypes are still bandied about so flippantly.
It would be nice to see the L word, a show with a broad reach try to change these stereotypes consisting of the thought that it is "all about sex,clubbing and drama.
Now, I want you all to go to your windows, open them up and scream at the top of your lungs, "I'M MAD AS L AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!"

WELL, I THINK IT'S FUNNY............

debbie65

03-20-2006, 11:17 AM

I agree. Only episode that came close to reality for me was last week when Dana died. I can’t believe how we have been portrayed most of the season. It truly does us a disservice, in my opinion. My partner laughs at me for watching the show, which he refuses to watch.

I loved Queer as Folks. I loved the dynamics and filming. I felt I could relate to all of the characters male or female. I believe that show did more for our cause than sadly the “L Word” ever will.

Lachesis208

03-20-2006, 11:26 AM

pinkcrush

03-20-2006, 11:28 AM

Well, that says it all....
They reached their target demographic.
Although is it a T.V show and shouldn't be taken seriously, I guess us "few"
feel a diservice and that "settling" smacks of complacency, the very reason
that lesbian stereotypes are still bandied about so flippantly.
It would be nice to see the L word, a show with a broad reach try to change these stereotypes consisting of the thought that it is "all about sex,clubbing and drama.
Now, I want you all to go to your windows, open them up and scream at the top of your lungs, "I'M MAD AS L AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE!!!!"

WELL, I THINK IT'S FUNNY............

I just don't look to the television for truth. It's attached to a hole in my wall that is fed information by corporate America. I expect very little from TV, when I want culture I go to a concert, a play, or a political rally. When I want mind candy I turn on the TV. It's like when I'm hungry for food but I go to McDonald's instead.

I just don't want to depend on TV for my nourishment, so with that being said, I love the L word.

But I will open my windows and scream at the top of my lungs "I'M MAD AS L AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" just because that sounds like fun and yes it was funny!

femmediva

03-20-2006, 12:04 PM

I too wish that the show was better. But, I also wish Bush and his cronies weren't in power today, they've collectively done more to perpetuate stereotypes and damage the lives and public image of gays than the L Word could ever do. No TV show can influence a supreme court confirmation.

It's unfair to expect a soap opera to even be realistic, much less to advance anyone's political agenda. And I have a really hard time believing that anyone is pointing to the L Word and saying "see? SEE??" while they're headed to the voting booth or off to commit their next hate crime.

I don't love the L Word, but I don't think it deserves to be villified.

Thanks for posting this. When are people going to realize that Showtime is a corporate entity, and as such, they're not writing their storylines to promote a political cause! I say this as someone who considers myself an activist in a variety of social justice causes. Like others here, I enjoy watching the L Word when I need some brainless entertainment, to distract from all the soul-sucking, depressing stuff I see all the time as someone who cares about progressive issues. I can totally understand being disappointed about the current state of queer rights in America, but I think more could be accomplished by lobbying your Congresspeople, volunteering at a shelter for LGBT youth, etc, than griping about a TV show. (Now, I'm sure someone's going to reply back that they are already doing those things, and they want to complain about this show on top of that).

What I'm really trying to say is learn how to choose your battles (something I'm trying to learn myself at the moment). It takes a while to realize that you can only sustain being pissed off about every little thing for so long before you burn out. Is this tv show really worth your political energy?

Whispertome

03-20-2006, 04:10 PM

I just don't look to the television for truth. It's attached to a hole in my wall that is fed information by corporate America. I expect very little from TV, when I want culture I go to a concert, a play, or a political rally. When I want mind candy I turn on the TV. It's like when I'm hungry for food but I go to McDonald's instead.

I just don't want to depend on TV for my nourishment, so with that being said, I love the L word.

But I will open my windows and scream at the top of my lungs "I'M MAD AS L AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE!" just because that sounds like fun and yes it was funny!

LOL, too funny..and I agree with you, TV is not where I get my information on anything, but there are many people who believe everything they see on it.. REality is lost on a majority of the population

I also agree that for me, it is a Soap Opera, just like the daytime ones, I watch it as one

likeemfemme

03-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Oh my goodness, I'm 2 episodes behind! :o

Lars <---Turning on his tv tonight

wolfsong069

03-20-2006, 04:53 PM

I love it, it's TV, it has lesbians, it has boobies, it has sex, it's queer.

It's TV. That's all, I probably spend less than 4 hours a week watching TV & I don't take any television show too seriously, it's just a time for me to vegetate and see people that resemble my life (even if it is just slightly).

I'm sure not everything that happens on Law & Order is a factual representation of how police work/culture truly is but it is entertaining.

I enjoy the way the show jumps around and doesn't hand everything to me at once. They eventually tie everything together, sometimes it just takes them awhile to get around to it.

Aw Pinkie....if you were on it I'd get Tivo ;)

I know that this is mostly a culture thing. The differences from the East coast to the Left......the North to the South.

Obviously, whoever is writing Max's storyline has never been to Chicago. They pulled out a map, threw a dart, and hit Winnetka. I bet they gave all those high society folks up there pause.

The real bottom line is that as poor as I find it at times, it's primetime lesbian programming. Five years ago we didn't have it...we didn't have LOGO or any of the other gay oriented channels....10 years ago we didn't have Queer as Folk......a little further back then that, what was considered to be "lesbian" media consisted of 2 straight chicks doing porn for a bunch of men and was placed in the back of the video store behind a curtain with the other "adult" videos.

Dana's death was tragic......her family's handling of her friends was typical and heartbreaking.......Shane took it about like I thought but the proposal surprised me....the end.....well that was just fucking weird.

BigTexDaddyBear

03-20-2006, 05:06 PM

BigTexDaddyBear

03-20-2006, 05:13 PM

mrMsf2005

03-20-2006, 06:27 PM

i dont know about anybody else but im still not convinced
carman really cheated on shane, i think she lied to see what
shane would do, and guess what??? she proposed...but the
whole scene with shane crying and carman saying yes, when they
were supposed to say goodbye to dana, had me all squinky,
'just say goodbye, and let this be about someone else, please'
but of course not,IMO,the writers have been trying to give us
bits of twists and turns and its definately not happening, at
least when i think too much about it, but its a show, not
meant to be based on any one particular life, so is there
gonna be another season? im confused, i thought this was the
real final season, but im all lost...:$
i did however love the indian song in the bacKground when they
were saying goodbye to dana, very spiritual when her image
came thru the waterfalls...that was beautiful.

babyboytoy

03-20-2006, 06:27 PM

I love it, it's TV, it has lesbians, it has boobies, it has sex, it's queer.

It's TV. That's all, I probably spend less than 4 hours a week watching TV & I don't take any television show too seriously, it's just a time for me to vegetate and see people that resemble my life (even if it is just slightly).

I'm sure not everything that happens on Law & Order is a factual representation of how police work/culture truly is but it is entertaining.

I enjoy the way the show jumps around and doesn't hand everything to me at once. They eventually tie everything together, sometimes it just takes them awhile to get around to it.

Pink I see your point..dont agree with it but hey you are allowed to have your opinions..What I think is really sad is the fact that QAF was more based on life then the L word is..making the potrayal of gay men alot more interesting and better directed then lesbians..I dont get it..but then I do..not to bash lesbians out there but I get why the show is the way it is..horribly written and acted...

Wolf I totally agree with you..they hit on something like Shane's affair and then the ex is gone..*shakes head* then all of a sudden Shane wants to merry Carmen after they both cheated on each other..like that will solve anything lol..

BigBadOfficer

03-20-2006, 06:27 PM

Good god what about one freak'n average joe couple just going a long with life, like most of do everyday.[/SIZE][/COLOR][/B]

Nobody would watch it. It would be like watching The Donna Reed Show. We watch TV to take us away from our everyday lives

BigTexDaddyBear

03-20-2006, 07:00 PM

Nobody would watch it. It would be like watching The Donna Reed Show. We watch TV to take us away from our everyday lives

Man! All I'm say'n is just let one little couple be kinda normal just for one season then kill them off in a car wreck or something . Isn't that how this damn shows written anyway. :P

wolfsong069

03-20-2006, 07:06 PM

Nobody would watch it. It would be like watching The Donna Reed Show. We watch TV to take us away from our everyday lives

Well.....if they put cams on the Chicago & Ohio bunch we'd sink the L Word and it's first 10 spin-offs right off the network

BigBadOfficer

03-20-2006, 07:12 PM

Well.....if they put cams on the Chicago & Ohio bunch we'd sink the L Word and it's first 10 spin-offs right off the network

Well that's what happens when you get a bunch of people together with different thoughts, crazed emotions, love, lust, friendship, different backgrounds, gender idenities, doms, subs, alcohol, and personalities. Youre right WS69 we've got the drama that makes a #1 televison series

Lachesis208

03-20-2006, 07:24 PM

...is there gonna be another season? im confused, i thought this was the real final season, but im all lost...:$

There will be another season. Hopefully they will hire all new writers for it.

"Showtime has greenlit a fourth season of "The L Word." ... The premium-cable network has ordered 12 more episodes of the show, which began its third season of exploring the lives and loves of a group of lesbian and bisexual L.A. friends last month. Production on the new season will begin next summer, with an airdate likely in 2007."

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|99843|1|,00.html

shadowboi

03-20-2006, 09:02 PM

I HATED that Dana died and cried because I suck :(

I'm a cancer survivor and whenever a story comes on like that I get all introspective :(

I'm liking Alice more!

Shane and Carmen, if you cheat on each other what does that say about your love? Was that some sort of test? Cheating and then grudge fucking is just not the way to handle stuff.

I'm liking Jenny more now that she isn't insane. I'm getting a little fed up with Max. Part of being a man, is being a man. Take a lesson.

mameha

03-20-2006, 09:24 PM

Season's cliffhanger.."Who shot Shane?"

i love the Chuck Norris reference above, almost choked laughing. (but it was funnier that Max said couple of gobbildygook sounding statements at the interview and was hired ...)

the grief sex at the end, predictable.

the whole marrying of the marriage proposal w/ grief and all... these are all old and tired tricks

it looked like Alice stole only a coffee cup full of ashes, but at the waterfall , jar after jar after jar ...( hey, the devil is in the details)

give us something creative and good.

likeemfemme

03-20-2006, 09:34 PM

Oh my goodness, I'm 2 episodes behind! :o

Lars <---Turning on his tv tonight

Make that tomorrow night... maybe. :s

wolfsong069

03-21-2006, 04:07 AM

Season's cliffhanger.."Who shot Shane?"

i love the Chuck Norris reference above, almost choked laughing. (but it was funnier that Max said couple of gobbildygook sounding statements at the interview and was hired ...)

You caught that too? For me it was like watching....what was it now? Rambo 3 I think, when he fired a LAW rocket while sitting in a helicopter with 5 men sitting right behind him......or in the theater watching Platoon when Chris couldn't get the claymore mine to fire and without thinking I yelled out in the darkened theater...."Take it off safe you dummy" :$

Ohhhhhh yeah Booby-man.....we have more than our share of laughs and drama....it just wouldn't be us without it

pinkcrush

03-21-2006, 04:53 AM

it looked like Alice stole only a coffee cup full of ashes, but at the waterfall , jar after jar after jar ...( hey, the devil is in the details)

give us something creative and good.

Yes I was totally distracted by the bottomless jar of ashes!

AsianLes

03-21-2006, 06:06 AM

For some reason, girls fall head over heels on Shane, which I DO NOT, may I repeate DO NOT find Shane attractive or even "Like-able"
I can careless that she acts Butch, but seeing her with dark eyes-shadow and lipstick on?? And people still call her Butch just gross me out, no offense.
And no way in my wildest dream I would think I like Shane, there certain things are just impossible and Shane is one of them, Lolz!!!!
I like Moira though, Max....her looks is OK, but her voice, Ouchh!!! So femme.
I never really like the show, I just watch for fun. It lack of storyline, lack of reality and it make like everyone on there survive for one reason and it Sex..........and they all thin and cute and rich..........the real world don't work that way, seeing them just doesn't really represent the Lesbian community in LA.

scubadyke

03-21-2006, 08:34 AM

shadowboi

03-21-2006, 04:49 PM

Yes I was totally distracted by the bottomless jar of ashes!

I'm glad I wasn't the only one that noticed that.

Bette really gave them a heave into the water fall too. I even thought "Save some for the others Bette, sheesh!"

shadowboi

03-21-2006, 04:51 PM

For some reason, girls fall head over heels on Shane, which I DO NOT, may I repeate DO NOT find Shane attractive or even "Like-able"

Interestingly I went to a club in Nashville and I was suprised how many "Shane look alikes" there were running around with the messy uneven hair, the skinny tie on the white shirt, wearing a black jacket. It was unreal!

scootebaby

03-21-2006, 05:05 PM

ive been trying to understand this show since this. season began--i have resolved myself to the fact it is nothing but mindless entertainment and i continue to watch to see how much worse it can really get

mrMsf2005

03-21-2006, 06:21 PM

There will be another season. Hopefully they will hire all new writers for it.

"Showtime has greenlit a fourth season of "The L Word." ... The premium-cable network has ordered 12 more episodes of the show, which began its third season of exploring the lives and loves of a group of lesbian and bisexual L.A. friends last month. Production on the new season will begin next summer, with an airdate likely in 2007."

http://tv.zap2it.com/tveditorial/tve_main/1,1002,271|99843|1|,00.html

thanx4the update and info!(f) mucho appreciated:) mrM.

theeladyscorpian

03-21-2006, 08:05 PM

ok....
The womyn that plays Shane was very pissed off at them killing off Dana's charactor I think all of the emotion had more to do with that then the show....
Shane and Carmen married eveyone happy and gleeful I think not....lets wait and see....
ALICE AND LAURA OMGGGG WTF???????? why oh why must they always show us as sex fiends....sad go screw somebody, happy go screw somebody.....do we know how to reflect ponder and articulate emotions without involving our vaginas??? I means really now....society always makes it seems we don't do committed and monogamy....come on L-word show are diversity.....damn!!
Carmens head games can we say emotional DRAMQUEEN no one is that fine lovely sexy to me....gotta go gotta go!!!....
First off Tina does she know anything about this man??? I mean really and wasn't she set to screw 1 of her producers???? And already a family starting conversation well damn!!!!
Bette playing the race card not cool she had no worries about the race and society as long as she was getting what she wanted.....
Max getting the job Moira went for and didn't get wow I'm so shocked especially since they still SOUND THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!and aside from the facial hair and packing they look the same.....Nopw since Max has not yet LEGALLT transitioned in anyway form or fashion whats going to happen when hunman resources needs to see the SSi card and drivers license to process the application???????DUHHH!!!!

Aqueerius

03-21-2006, 10:38 PM

I'm sorry for the loss of your Mother....Thank the Creator you got to tell her what she needed most to hear.....

Blessings,
Tee*

Tee, thank you so much for your kind words. *hugs*

AsianLes

03-22-2006, 02:53 AM

Umm, I miss the last couple episolds, can someone tell me what happen to Tina? I know she got feelings for that Man, but has she acts on it yet? I hope not.

shadowboi

03-22-2006, 04:19 AM

She did. Bette is pissed.

NYFemmeGirl

03-22-2006, 07:01 AM

A Becky wife and a lawn to mow ehey? Something tells me you've never been to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, or St. Louis. ;)

ooooh, I have been to Chicago. You're right. that was a vast generalization. sorry :-| btw, I love the Frozen Chosen reference.

NYFemmeGirl

03-22-2006, 07:19 AM

Dana's death was tragic......her family's handling of her friends was typical and heartbreaking.......Shane took it about like I thought but the proposal surprised me....the end.....well that was just fucking weird.

This past episode felt contrived to me. I didn't connect to it very much emotionally. Why is it that when Bette was sleeping with the carpenter she was banned from her friends but when Tina is sleeping with this guy, everybody accepts it? Tina is being cruel by letting that guy in the house so early. Why does Bette put up with it? I do agree that Dana's family's handling of her friends was real and I loved how her friends dealt with it, especially Alice.

I think Shane's proposal came out of her grief and not wanting to live and die alone. I don't think those 2 are ready to get married and, in real life at least, it would lead to disaster.

The end was believable to me. Sometimes people who are in grief turn to each other. It doesn't usually end up well either.

NYFemmeGirl

03-22-2006, 07:27 AM

I HATED that Dana died and cried because I suck :(

Jess, why do you suck?

I'm a cancer survivor and whenever a story comes on like that I get all introspective :(

(((((((Jess))))))))

I'm liking Alice more!
Definately

I'm getting a little fed up with Max. Part of being a man, is being a man. Take a lesson.

What do you mean?

NYFemmeGirl

03-22-2006, 07:36 AM

Bette playing the race card not cool she had no worries about the race and society as long as she was getting what she wanted.....
Max getting the job Moira went for and didn't get wow I'm so shocked especially since they still SOUND THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!and aside from the facial hair and packing they look the same.....Nopw since Max has not yet LEGALLT transitioned in anyway form or fashion whats going to happen when hunman resources needs to see the SSi card and drivers license to process the application???????DUHHH!!!!

I kept thinking the same thing about Max.

I'm not sure Bette is just playing the race card. Although her motives may be mixed, concern about having her daughter grow up as the only African American in an all white family is real.

Ally_J2005

03-22-2006, 01:52 PM

Yes I was totally distracted by the bottomless jar of ashes!

I read your post and laughed so hard..I noticed it... I kept saying how are they all throwing all these ashes and the jar is so small..lol Oh well, guess we have to use our imagination on that one ;) ALLY_J 2005

femmediva

03-22-2006, 02:13 PM

Max getting the job Moira went for and didn't get wow I'm so shocked especially since they still SOUND THE SAME!!!!!!!!!!!!and aside from the facial hair and packing they look the same.....Nopw since Max has not yet LEGALLT transitioned in anyway form or fashion whats going to happen when hunman resources needs to see the SSi card and drivers license to process the application???????DUHHH!!!![/QUOTE]

I was commenting on the same thing to my butch when we were watching it the other night. Did Daniela Sea (who plays Max) do any research or what? If he's sprouting that much facial hair, it's pretty unrealistic that his voice would still be so high-pitched. Actors, or anyone with voice training for that matter, should know how to make their voices sound lower when the character calls for it.

DrBombay

03-22-2006, 02:57 PM

I guess it's too much to ask that the final episode include Alice hanging in chains with vampire girl.....

bikergal

03-22-2006, 03:15 PM

I read your post and laughed so hard..I noticed it... I kept saying how are they all throwing all these ashes and the jar is so small..lol Oh well, guess we have to use our imagination on that one ;) ALLY_J 2005

She filled 2 jars of ashes. A big one and a little one that I believe she kept for herself ;) I think they dumped the big jar in the waterfall. But I have to agree that the ashes kept going and going. I still can't believe she seperated the ashes like that!!! I mean you just took maybe and arm with you and now her body isn't whole.... kinda weirded me out :s

Ally_J2005

03-22-2006, 03:18 PM

She filled 2 jars of ashes. A big one and a little one that I believe she kept for herself ;) I think they dumped the big jar in the waterfall. But I have to agree that the ashes kept going and going. I still can't believe she seperated the ashes like that!!! I mean you just took maybe and arm with you and now her body isn't whole.... kinda weirded me out :s

You're good I didn't see 2 jars... hmm .. maybe I will watch it again on demand..lol where did it show that?

bikergal

03-22-2006, 03:28 PM

Ally_J2005

03-22-2006, 04:31 PM

When she was filling the big jar up she pulled out a little jar and looked around to make sure no one was looking. She then filled up the little jar... laughs... you know she had an attachment to Dana... she carried around a cardboard image of her.... *rolls eyes*

I will rewatch it..lol.. I missed that one...lol@cardboard image... that was just too funny n weird :| I swear I like Alice more n more though...

shadowboi

03-22-2006, 06:24 PM

Jess, why do you suck?

I don't really suck. That's kinda like a cliche to me "I cried because I suck"

What do you mean?

I tired of Max being an asshole to Jenny in general. I understand a lot of what he's going thru because I'm going thru the same kinds of thought processes. He's just taking his crap out on her.

It's kind of the way I felt about Dana when she was with Lara and first found out she was sick. It's ok to be upset, angry, maybe even in denial of having it. It's not ok to be shitty and take stuff out on other people. You will find yourself alone at the end of the day. Pity party for one.

Max isn't doing a good job at being the kind of man I'm thinking he wants to be right now. The only way to be a great person, is to be that great person. Man or woman.

UltraHiFemme

03-22-2006, 06:48 PM

Alice and Laura ...*shakes head violently* Uhhh, no.

I also noticed the bottomless ash jar. Interesting. lol
It was beautiful at the end when Dana's spirit showed through the waterfall, though.

People shouldn't automatically assume that Bette is "playing" the race card, versus having some really important concerns. Its not about her being quiet when she was getting what she wanted. When she was with Tina they were an INTER-racial family, and Angelica was supposed to be a reflection on that by her being bi-racial she represented both races of her mothers and therefore would have been brought up in both the caucasion and african-american culture. (I speak from experience as I am in an inter-racial relationship and my butch and I created a beautiful bi-racial baby girl :) .) However.....since the situation has changed, little Angelica will be the only person of color in her now all white, lesbian divorced family. Does anyone not see that Angelica might have some issues to work out when she gets older and starts lookin' around and asking questions?

And did ANYONE notice when the lady in the restauant looked at Tina and assumed that Angelica was adopted Tina SAID NOTHING. ????? Dont you think she could have said "This is my daughter but she's not adopted." Doesn't anyone think she may have some sort of underlying issue? Because she should have been proud of HER daughter and piped up about it, spoke up, claimed her as being her biological daughter....SOMETHING!

When Bette was bringing up the groceries and Bette looked through the window and saw Tina all sucking face with that guy I could have puked! I think the way Tina is handling this is disgusting, and having that man in her house with the baby so soon after meeting is totally uncalled for. If I were Bette i would have thrown that damned camera in Tina's face! Family picture my ass! I must say she is being a better sport than most people I know!
Its not that it's wrong for Tina's sexuality to change, because sexual preferences can be fluid and change like that, but she should have PROPERLY ended the relationship with Bette first, and then she should not have some strange man around her baby until she knew it was a REAL relationship. It's only been a couple episodes and she's already talking about starting a family with this guy???? Tina is nuts! To be honest I think she is being very calculating, and she is getting even with Bette for her cheating. But damn, her revenge sure is hardcore!

I havent commented much about Jenny but i'll say this. I think she is learning that she really does not want to be with a man, hence the reason why she left the first boyfriend from season 1 in the first place! I see she is getting it on with some other girl next week. I think she likes masculine or butch energy, but in a FEMALE body. I think she is slowly realizing that. Max needs to just go and find himself a nice gay boy bar and live it up, if ya ask me! I think he is more into men, because who the hell in their right mind would rather screw that ugly, atrocious looking gay guy that Kit fired (forgot his name) than a pretty girl like Jenny?!??! Hell, I am not so into femmes but if given the choice between him and Jenny I would pick Jenny any day!

Kit pregnant? All I can say is I hope she doesn't do anything she will regret. My first thought was that maybe she doesnt want the baby and she has Bette adopt it, because maybe she loses the custody battle with Tina afterall. That would be sweet.

I think its a nice effort on Shanes part to grow up ad think about marrying Carmen but i dont think it will work because Shane is not wired to be a monogamous person. Oh well, only in television.

I hate that it is over so soon. I wish they would make the L word an ongoing daily thing, like the daytime soaps, maybe on the LOGO channel, I would be addicted!

Kat